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46 Celebrities You Won’t Believe Are Atheists

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It’s not uncommon to hear celebrities, athletes and stars thanking God for their success and winning awards, but the celebrities on this list are not going to be them. A lot of the stars on this list will shock you, yet some should come as no surprise at all. Whether they’re atheists, agnostic or just Godless, everyone made their way onto this list by their own admissions.

For some confessions you’ll have to watch the videos to find proof, and others we’ve found direct quotes elsewhere. If you’re an atheist yourself you might enjoy the videos, but Christians and people of other faiths might find them very offensive, so for the most part we’ve left the decision to watch up to you.

Before we go any further, however, we want to make clear that the staff at Celebrity Tune spans many different religions, faiths and even the lack thereof, so we are offering absolutely no opinion on the matter of religion, just reporting the truth about some celebrities. You can also find our feature on the 27 most religious celebrities in the world today.

In the comments be sure to let us know what you think! Does this change how you view your favorite celebrities? Did we miss any?

  • Anndreea

    OMG lol

    • jhuston

      This was the saddest thing I think I’ve ever read!!!
      Every knee shall bow. This doesn’t suprise me, the Word clearly says that it will be hard for the rich to make it to Heaven.

      • http://www.powerfulhunger.com/powerful_hunger_blog/ Dagny Kight

        Assuming you believe “the word.” Which plenty of us don’t. But if you want to bow or whatever, go ahead.

        • Mark Desade

          Your plenty isn’t so plenty:

          US Census (available online)
          48% – Protestant
          22% – Catholic
          06% – other denomonations

          That’s nearly 80% of the US population. PS…Darwin was not an atheist, he was a theist who believed that his findings revealed a Creator’s input. And Einstein was also an agnostic, in the Spinoza tradition.

          • http://www.powerfulhunger.com/powerful_hunger_blog/ Dagny Kight

            The number of people who believe in something does not prove its veracity. So feeling you are in a majority is important to you but citing sources is not? The demographic being called the “Nones” is growing faster than any religious denomination according to a reputable source: http://www.pewforum.org/2012/10/09/nones-on-the-rise/

          • bruceben9

            Wow. You sure seem to have a serious need.

          • http://www.powerfulhunger.com/powerful_hunger_blog/ Dagny Kight

            For what?

          • Marty

            Dagny is right: truth and morality is not a matter of numbers. And how’s that railroad running these days? You ready to go on strike yet? :-)

          • http://www.powerfulhunger.com/powerful_hunger_blog/ Dagny Kight

            My last name isn’t Taggart and I’m not fictional. My name means “new day.”

          • LLCisyouandme

            100 % of Vikings believed in Thor and Loki, Now those guys I could drink with.

          • veggiedude

            100% ??? Don’t be daft. I’m sure there was some atheists among them! There always are.

          • llcisyouandme

            Less than .5%, I did a poll. No Vikings declared themselves atheist. 😉

          • llcisyouandme

            Also, in the time of the Vikings there was no such concept as atheism, despite what some people believed or didn’t. The non-believers were heretics, and treated as pariahs, when allowed to live. The religious know of persecution as persecutors, not as persecuted. When any religion suffers, it is at the hand of another religion. When anyone suffers, a religion has often insinuated its ugly agenda.

          • celticcoll

            That’s of those who “self-describe” as religious not of the U.S. population. It helps if you actually know how to read information correctly.

          • Nandiane

            His wife Emma was a Christian.

          • https://disqus.com/home/channel/atheismftw/ Ian Cooper

            The fact that 80% believe in something without evidence does not make them right. It just means that 80% of people are irrational and superstitious. Argumentum ad populum is a logical fallacy.

  • Danny

    Yawn!

  • Jinglebob

    Less to clutter up Heven.

    • Sheila Tagavilla Davis

      Where is this “Heven” you speak of?

      • Lynn

        If you don’t believe in GOD and accept Jesus Christ as your savior what good would directions to heaven be to you?
        By the way,I thought you atheists and agnostics knew everything, why ask us?

        • LLCisyouandme

          Transference and projection. Classic. And missing the point to boot.

        • Kathryn E

          No, NO ONE knows, not even the religios.

        • Sheila Tagavilla Davis

          Wow…I was referring to the misspelling of Heaven, dumbass. Apparently we atheists know how to spell biblical-related terms better than the ones who claim to be followers.

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            BET YOU LIKE WHATB I JUST POTED ABOVE. :-)

        • Damien Vukovic

          ….because the replies are so funny.

        • Hope

          So, you don’t know where it is?

        • Mark Danley

          Atheists and agnostics don’t claim to know everything; on the contrary, we accept that we DON’T know everything and that we are OK with the unknown. Whereas the self-righteous hypocrites that Jesus chastised in the parable of the Pharisee and the Publican seem to feel they know it all… except what Jesus actually taught.

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            BET YOU WILL LIKE MY REPLY TO LYNN. (ABOVE)

        • NEIL C. REINHARDT

          WE KNOW WE ARE NO LONGER PROGRAMMED RELIGIOUS ROBOTS AS IT SEEMS YOU STILL ARE!
          WE KNOW WE ARE ABLE TO ENJOY THE TOTAL FREEDOM OF THOUGHT AND ACTION WHICH COMES FROM OUR NO LONGER BELIVING IN CHILDISH MYTHS & NON-EXISTENT GODS.
          WE KNOW THE READING OF ALL THE NAMES OF BOTH DECEASED AND LIVING FAMOUS ATHEISTS PROVE WE ATHEISTS NOT ONLY PERFORM AS WELL, AND IN MANY CASES, PERFORM BETTER THAN DO THE RELIGIOUS IN EVERY POSITIVE FIELD!
          AND WE KNOW THIS PROVES WE ATHEISTS ARE EITHER THE LEADERS, OR AMONG THEM IN EVERY POSITIVE FIELD.
          WE KNOW VIDEOS OF BABIES PROVE THEY KNOW RIGHT FROM WRONG. THUS PROVING NO RELIGION OR GODS ARENEEDED.
          WE KNOW THERE WOULD BE VERY FEW TERRORISTS AND LESS WARS IF THERE WAS NO RELIGION.
          WE KNOW THAT THOSE IN MORE AND MORE FIRST WORLD COUNTRIES ARE REJECTING RELIGION AND BECOMING ATHEISTS.
          LAST, WE KNOW THE TIME WHEN CHRISTIANS WILL NO LONGER BE IN THE MAJORITY IN THE USA IS GETTING CLOSER AND CLOSER!

      • tallulah13

        I hope it’s in the bathroom. That’s the proper place for “heven.”

    • veggiedude

      Considering mankind had to wait 60 million years after the dinosaurs died out, and they ruled the planet for 250 million (compared to ours less than 1 million years), heaven is already cluttered with the Dino’s. Unless of course you think only our species is exclusive to the club.

    • Caroline Reznicek

      REALLY!!??? Hey Jinglebob! Whatever happened to:
      John 14:2 (KJV) “In my Father’s house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.”
      If you are a believer in Heaven and Hell…then there is room for everyone. But personally…”I vant to be alone”,<Greta Garbo (who actually said she never said that)

  • http://www.powerfulhunger.com/powerful_hunger_blog/ Dagny Kight

    What’s the “won’t believe” part??? This is a list of celebrities that are already well-known as atheists.

  • Rick Cleveland

    I recently sat and watched a movie – The Book of Eli – I’ve studied looking for answers for most of my adult life – and I’m 60. I hear a line as he recited the bible – Book of Moses, Genisis, chapter 1 – In the beginning, the earth was void and without form. Simple words – words that translated are roughly 3000 years old. Science TODAY tells us that ‘in the beginning the earth was void, and without form

    • LLCisyouandme

      Maybe what underlies a modern scientist and a stonage (sic) galoot is the uniform deep psychological need to begin at a place with the feeling of firm footing?

    • RoverSerton

      The real question… Do you Believe there is a god. If yes, you are a theist. If no, you are not a theist (an athiest). Knowledge is agnostic/Gnostic.

    • http://www.carlfrank.com Carl Frank

      What would “void ” and “without form” even mean in the context of Earth? How can a planet/planetoid be “without form”? It was a spheroid since it…. formed. How was Earth “void”? Meaning what? Empty? Empty of what? Life? atmosphere? If you want to say those terms were referring to the entirety of existence — the singularity that theoretically preceded the Big Bang, (as you maybe seem to do in your post, since I’d hope you’re aware science does not conclude that the Earth preceded the the Big Bang), you are ignoring that the Bible refers to *the Earth* as being the thing that was “formless and void” (though it apparently had water, because water doesn’t count?). Anyway, with such vague terms, you can make it mean almost anything you want to, and thus it is meaningless.

      Some things you *can’t* make mean whatever you want (and thus make it supposedly agree with science) are things like plants existing before the sun, and light on Earth existing before the sun and stars, and Earth existing before any of the stars and planets of the rest of the universe. Science does not support those notions (and many others promoted by the Bible), but you are going to prop up a belief with a couple vague terms like “formless” and “void”? Come on, man. You’re kidding me, right?

      • keith

        When you read Genesis 1:2 in the Hebrew text it makes sense. It states that “the Earth BECAME in chaos and confusion.” This planet may have existed for a long time before that occurred. The Big Bang is a perjorative term coined by an evolutionist and therefore ostensibly an atheist, who made fun of the whole concept. The Big Bang (also called the “Creation Event” by some scientists) states that there was NOTHING — and then suddenly EVERYTHING in a split fraction of a second. To be specific, the entire universe of sub-atomic particles was created in -10 to the 43rd power (that is a decimal followed by 42 zeros and then a “one.” BANG! — The universe came into existance.
        BY ITSELF? Nonsense. It was created. And the one who Created all that is must necessarily be a Supernatural Being and omnipotent. I have a Ph.D. in science as well as theology. Evolution has been disproved again and again.

        • Sarah Jones Geer

          Funny how the actual scientists disagree. Evolution is a fact- get over it. And no one believes you have a PhD in the sciences when you are so ignorant that you think the Big Bang theory (which has nothing to do with evolution) says everything came from nothing.

          • keith

            The theory of Evolution has been disproved over and over and over so much it is truly surprising anyone today even accepts it even as a theory — much less a fact. The Big Bang “theory” is really today an absolute proven FACT. Everything did come from nothing. Either it did or you are left with the “steady state universe” which states that the universe has always been — disproved by Newton’s second law (entropy) and by Edwin Hubble in 1929 after proving the Law of Red Shifts. The entire universe was created in a FRACTION of a second. The Bible is truly the revelation from our Creator God to mankind.

          • keith

            P.S. Not only do scientists believe the entire universe came from nothing but even space ITSELF was created at the time the universe was created. Hard to understand. That is the lastest thinking of modern day scientists. My hobby has been astro-physics for several decades now.

          • https://disqus.com/home/channel/atheismftw/ Ian Cooper

            It may be hard to understand, but that doesn’t mean it isn’t a fact.

        • Nandiane

          For sure….you’re so right, Keith!

    • Sarah Jones Geer

      They didn’t know. Every creation myth from almost every religion claims that the world was made from nothing. Yet it actually WASN’T. There was no “void”. If you actually talk to a physicist, you’d learn that the concept of “nothing” is actually thought to be an impossibility.

      Never mind that the bible is so hilariously WRONG on pretty much every aspect of the natural world that it’s absurd to try this sort of post-hoc projection of modern knowledge onto an ignorant group of Bronze Age nomads who thought that demons caused disease and painting bird’s blood on a person could cure leprosy.

    • Mike G

      Well thought out Rick, we don’t really know, but I want to err on the safe side if there is everlasting life, and it all is about creation.

      • tallulah13

        Humans have worshiped literally thousands of gods throughout history. There isn’t a single shred of evidence to support the existence of ANY of them, not even the Christian god. So if you want to “err on the safe side”, you’ll have to worship every god that any humans ever worshiped. Good luck with that.

        • Nandiane

          But only ONE Living God who has proven His existence over and over and over.

          • https://disqus.com/home/channel/atheismftw/ Ian Cooper

            If he exists, your god is the kind of monster who lets people starve, who allows natural disasters to happen, who does nothing to stop sicknesses and plagues from ravaging societies. Why would any sane person worship such a being?

    • Nandiane

      Rick…neutrality when talking about God is not acceptable to Him. We are either FOR HIM or AGAINST HIM. Hope you’ll change your mind.

    • LadyLoneStar

      You skipped right over Genesis 1:1 “In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.” (Your quote is Genesis 1:2)

  • Phil Rehberg

    This needs to be updated. Lennon talked about praying to God at the end of his life. Journalists need to be more careful about serious labels.

    • Toxoplasmosis

      No one who writes for “Celebrity Tune” could even remotely be considered a journalist.

      • Jack Oliver

        And anyone who doesn’t know how to correctly use quotation marks has no room to criticize others.

  • Brandi

    Doesn’t bother me, if i like the actor or athlete, I could care less about what they believe or don’t believe. I don’t judge based on religion or lack there of. Im not Christian, so I don’t care who believes in what.

  • Jayman

    I don’t understand why it would change your opinion of a person if they are atheist. What does that have to do with anything? We’re free to choose christianity, they should be free to choose what ever they want. Who wrote this article fox news?

    • Mike G

      Jayman!! As a Christian I don’t care what your beliefs are, don’t try to deny me mine.. Fox News??
      your just a plain liberal jerk, nothing to do with being an atheist.

    • tallulah13

      It’s just a silly article. One would hope that you investigate what and why you believe on your own and come to your own conclusions based on evidence.

    • NEIL C. REINHARDT

      PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN PROGRAMMED AS BABIES, CHILDRREN AND TEENS ARE NOT FREE TO CHOOSE THEIR RELIGION AND ANYONE WHO THINKS THEY ARE IS VERY NAIVE.

  • Bob

    All will find out about the Truth … maybe for some , including Dagny Kight , it won’t be too late … and Dagny , YOU WILL BOW and CONFESS that JESUS is LORD … don’t be a fool

    • LLCisyouandme

      Your arrogance is exactly what there is not to like about religion. Thanks for reminding us, and remember that every rant like this is just a little more evangelization for refusing to believe what you believe.

      • Bob

        the Word from your Creator is arrogant ?… that is all I spoke … don’t be a fool , LL

        • bruceben9

          Lol, again .

        • LLCisyouandme

          I’d say don’t be a tool, but that ship’s sailed.

        • LLCisyouandme

          Your clear implication is that for some it is too late, a judgment you reserve for your God to make, then usurp. That’s classic unbridled arrogance, enough to get you stoned as a heretic in any theocracy worth its salt. And this BS comes out of your mouth during “Holy Week” no less. Maybe you need hell to exist because it needs you.

          • Marty

            I’d say “amen to that” but I might be accused of mockery!

      • Lynn

        Bob has faith,arrogance is what you practice LLC !

        • LLCisyouandme

          The “I know you are but what am I” retorts are so amusing, and so emblematic of your deeper issues.

        • Marty

          But faith IS arrogance!

        • Gofa

          Faith is useless. Give me facts!

          • Nandiane

            It’s not useless, it’s everything.

    • bruceben9

      Lol

    • Marty

      Thank you, Mr. Know-It-All!

    • Damien Vukovic

      You defend the idea that snakes can speak — define ‘fool’. Thank you.

    • Sarah Jones Geer

      *yawn*

      If you have to resort to petty threats, you don’t have much of a belief system now do you?

    • https://disqus.com/home/channel/atheismftw/ Ian Cooper

      “…whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.” – Matthew 5:22
      No one is going to make me bow to your monster god.

      • Bob

        so you quote the WORD from the ONE who is TRUTH , and then say you won’t bow to HIM ….
        HE’s the ONE who says you are a fool …
        Psalms 14:1 The fool has said in his heart “There is no GOD.”
        … and in reference to your arrogance …
        Psalms 10:4 The wicked , through the pride of his countenance will not seek after God
        … do not be deceived , Ian … so-called atheists know there is a GOD …. your CREATOR ….
        … you did not evolve from sludge …

        • https://disqus.com/home/channel/atheismftw/ Ian Cooper

          The fact that your holy book contradicts itself is not a point in its favor.
          The fact that you seem to think we didn’t evolve from sludge does not mean a god created us. I think it’s FAR more likely that we evolved from sludge than that we were created by an invisible fairy.
          I am not deceived. You are. Your god is a bad joke.

  • DLFitness

    You’ve mistakenly indicated that Richard Dawkins is deceased. (You referred to him as “the late Richard Dawkins” in the blurb under Matt Smith’s photo.) He is not dead. He’s still alive and kicking and still not believing in god.

    • celebritytune

      Thanks for pointing this out! We’ve updated the article.

    • Mike G

      when he dies he’ll be sorry he didn’t believe,

      • conhater1

        So god hates fags and atheists?

        • Nandiane

          No, or He wouldn’t have come and died for us

          • conhater1

            Us? Are you a fag or an atheist?

          • Nandiane

            I’m a sinner, like everyone else.

      • tallulah13

        Every shred of evidence indicates that when people die, they’re dead.

        • Nandiane

          good luck, “Tallulah”

        • RayCy

          Pascal’s Wager.

  • ManiacMinis

    Lennon’s comments in no way, shape, or form categorize him as an atheist or agnostic. He’s saying he doesn’t believe in religion – that doesn’t make him godless.

    • Sarah Jones Geer

      He actually said it in many other interviews.

  • Joy Cordery

    There should be no prejudice or bigotry against atheists, just as there ought not be any such prejudice against any religion. Freedom.

    • LLCisyouandme

      The greatest prejudice against religion is practiced *by* other religion. Religionists always feel squeamish sharing a commonality unless they can lock arm (step) against a one true common enemy.

  • Sheryl

    I’m pretty sure the constitution says Freedom OF religion, not Freedom FROM religion. Just sayin’….. :-)

    • Bruce Kravetz

      Now that’s a real screw up. By the powers of god I command that the word of be changed to from. New we can all live in peace.

    • LLCisyouandme

      SCOTUS says these are equivalent. Don’t like our Constitutional government, go live where there’s a theocracy. Try Afghanistan, I hear the weather’s nice this time of year, and the stones are always lighter somehow.

    • Marty

      And I’m “just saying'” that freedom OF religion means nothing if it does nt include freedom FROM religion.

  • Ford Truck

    It does change my opinion of them! It makes me think they are far smarter than the Hollywood crowd that follows any religion. Although I still have to admit, I don’t respect Lance Armstrong who is a cheating ass!!

  • Lou .Casacuberta

    i saw all fortysix and they all have smething in common ..they are soul less ..yu can see it in their eyes ..the eyes are empty ..their hearts are empty ..they made their deals with the devil and got their carrerrs and now aloot are old and soon too be finished so some of the most isolated private people who you rarely ready abut dont believe in a higher power then themselves …thats a shame

    • Stuart

      You can see it in their eyes? Really?
      Your comment has far less to do with religion or atheism, and a great deal to do with your profound misunderstanding of people.
      No Lou, there is nothing you see in their eyes that tells you anything at all about those people.

      • LLCisyouandme

        It’s the “prosperity cult” religionists who are always making deals with their God and their Satan. They think normal people have the same will to trade morals for greed. They’ve also thought they bought places in heaven, like box seats, with donations to their church.

      • Lynn

        Could it be Stuart that there’s no room for GOD in your mind because it is all being used to worship yourself and your incredible ability to know everything?

        • LLCisyouandme

          Because he knows better.

        • Stuart

          Lynn, you are free to assume anything you wish about me, even that I claim to know everything, and even that I do not believe in God. But there is no reason to assume your assumptions are correct.
          I merely pointed out that a claim that one can tell something about a person by looking at their eyes is a form of primitive, magical thinking, not consistent with science, not consistent with religion.

        • Toxoplasmosis

          Why should anyone make room in his/her life and mind for an imaginary friend, when they are grown adults able to make their own rational, informed decisions and take responsibility for them? God/Yahweh/Allah/Thor/Krishna/Vishnu/Shiva/Kali etc are creations of elites to control the uneducated and otherwise uncontrollable masses, ESPECIALLY regarding accepting the current status quo and not killing and/or eating the rich and powerful. Fortunately, in the west we have compulsory public education so we no longer need those fictional crutch-gods. But of course there remain plutocratic poop-holes like Texas where the Board of Ed determined specifically that students should not learn critical thinking. Seems it causes students to question the tall tales and mythologies their parents, pastors, and politicians try to make them believe, no matter how outlandish or patently false.
          In fact, long, LONG before early Christians decided to make Jesus’ mother a virgin just before 500 C.E., there had been a long line of savior sons of gods born to virgin mothers. Jesus HAD to be born of a virgin because in that time and place, one couldn’t be a savior/messiah/hero without it. The formula also required being born on December 25, as the days begin to become observably longer after the winter solstice. Before him, there was Attis, Adonis, Bacchus, Buddha, Dionysus, Baal (yes, Baal), Ganesh, Hercules, Horus, Krishna, Mithras, Osiris, and many others.
          When Dionysus rose from the dead, he announced “I am the Alpha and the Omega.” Sound familiar? The original alpha and omega comment was from Kali, a Hindu goddess, consort to Shiva. Ecclesiastes was taken directly from a pre-Sanksrit Hindu text relating the conflicts experienced by a female religious leader. Female religious leaders were common before the bronze age and the start of patriarchy. After all, it was women who created life, men just destroyed it and brought it home for dinner.

        • NEIL C. REINHARDT

          FYI LYNN, THERE ARE MULTI MILLIONS OF FORMER “LAY” CHRISTIANS & OVER 600 FORMER CHRISTIAN MINISTERS WHO ARE NOW ATHEISTS, WHO WOULD KNOW YOU ARE JUST ANOTHER PROGRAMMED RELIGIOUS CHRISTIAN ROBOT WHO HAS NO CLUE ABOUT ATHEISTS!

    • LLCisyouandme

      “I looked every one of the 46 in the eye, in the pictures, even the ones with sunglasses on, eyes closed, eyes averted.” The pretense is strong in this one.

      If you actually met these people, the ones still alive, you’d realize the amazing energy and appreciation for life they have, they had, they share. Because they know that’s all there really is.

    • Gofa

      I actually do agree with you. They are soulless. But then again, everyone is, because souls don’t exist.

    • Sarah Jones Geer

      Thanks for outing your ridiculous prejudice.

    • NEIL C. REINHARDT

      THERE ARE MULTI MILLIONS OF FORMER “LAY” CHRISTIANS & OVER 600 FORMER CHRISTIAN MINISTERS WHO ARE NOW ATHEISTS, WHO WOULD KNOW YOU ARE JUST ANOTHER PROGRAMMED RELIGIOUS CHRISTIAN ROBOT WHO HAS NO CLUE ABOUT ATHEISTS!

      • LadyLoneStar

        You keep pulling numbers outta your a$$ and copy and pasting them because someone somewhere didn’t see the other 5 times you posted this same nonsensical comment…or do you have the beginnings of dementia…wow.

  • Gloria Cole

    Proud to share such illustrious company.

    • Lynn

      Illustrious only to the fools who worship them !

      • Gloria Cole

        There is a difference between respect and worship. The value of freedom is that you worship no one.

      • Gofa

        Because we choose to spend our time admiring people that are real? Try it, you might like it.

  • Laurie Marshall

    The fact that you write that knowing someone is an athiest would be a shock to some of your readers shows that you do, actually, have an opinion on the matter. Why would we be surprised? Because it’s impossible to believe that athiests can be kind, funny, down-to-earth people? Because love, honesty, integrity, good parenting, humanity and compassion are traits only Christians know something about?? My athiest friends are every bit as awesome as my Christian friends – they are all loving parents, active in community organizations, and are happy to help a friend in need. Give me a break. Who cares what religion practices or doesn’t practice – a label is just a label, not the truth of someone’s heart and soul.The sooner we all can just accept each other as human beings, and stop labeling each other in this ridiculous way, the better.

    • LLCisyouandme

      They also have an agenda on the matter, How else could you interpret the statement that the religious might he offended by someone talking about their non-belief, with the implication that they should be “protected” from any cognitive dissonance. If their belief is so weak that people discussing their own credulity in that regard is seen as upsetting or disrespectful or even an attack, isn’t that a piss poor belief?

      • Emkay

        nah, just protect me from people who say ‘piss poor…….

      • Nick

        Maybe because the religious are offended by anything that challenges their mythology.

        • Gary Sampson

          say that on Judgement day brother

          • Nick

            More threats instead of any evidence for your invisible sky wizard. Of course that is because you have no evidence.

          • Terri Carlisle Williams

            “Atheists” That is The Flavor of the month! And that is the only reason Celebrities are claiming to be it. Just like all of a sudden it was vogue to say you are “Gay”! In the year 2015, It takes courage to say that you do believe in God, folks look at you like you are a fanatic. This country was founded on RIGHTS, Right to speak or believe as we choose, and without Hassle from folks like yourself. You want my respect, you give me yours.

            I have re-posted this as individual post. But I wanted you in particular to see what I had to say.

          • Nick

            Yes it takes a lot of courage to admit that you belong with 80% of the population. In educated, free countries the world over religion is on the decline, this should tell you something.

          • Solaire of Astora

            Why do you take so much of your free time to tell strangers you don’t believe in God? You need some friends and a job i think.

          • Nick

            Why do the religious take so much of their free time to tell others that they believe in god? Why do the religious constantly try to force their beliefs into politics and public schools? I think you may be projecting a bit.

          • Solaire of Astora

            i only see you trying to convert people here, that’s why i’m asking you

          • Nick

            Well it’s a good thing that the religious don’t try to force their beliefs into government and public schools. Almost all religions came from a time when humans were very ignorant about the world and universe. I believe that ignorance should be confronted, the religious seem to believe that ignorance should be celebrated.

          • Martin28

            “religions came from a time when humans were very ignorant about the world and universe”.
            That sounds ludicrous considering the fact that Quantum Physics is only just beginning to scratch the surface of the spiritual dimension beyond this material realm. What Divinely-inspired men and women of God revealed eons ago, modern science is just barely starting to comprehend. You got your wish – your ignorance has been confronted.

          • Nick

            How does quantum physics say anything about some spiritual realm? Feel free to list peer-reviewed scientific papers that prove a spiritual realm.

          • Martin28

            If you don’t know, then you’d better keep studying. Don’t waste any more of my time, jackass.

          • Nick

            Sounds like you do not know. You made the claim, back it up if you are capable.

          • Karl Ström

            I’m fairly sure YOU are the one claiming dragons, talking snakes and men made out of dirt are real….you provide the evidence please !?

          • Nick

            The Bible claims that nonsense, not me. I believe you replied to the wrong person.

          • nobodyinparticular

            The people who say that quantum physics says anything about spiritual anything are religious idiots who don’t understand quantum physics. Hey IDIOT. Can you derive the Shroedinger Wave Equation for a hydrogen atom? Have you ever solved a partial differential equation? How about an ordinary differential equation. You don’t know CRAP. You find this thing that you don’t understand, and you pretend it says something that it doesn’t because you don’t understand what it does say, or even worse, you listen to someone ELSE who believes as you do who is saying exactly what you want to hear. This is known as quantum mysticism, by the way. It all is born of ignorance of quantum mechanics. The people who are NOT ignorant of this are the ones NOT saying it. You’re like someone claiming that the theory of gravity proves a creator because you can’t imagine it being any other way. Or you don’t WANT it to be any other way. You’re like someone who claims that the existence of turtles proves that waffles are intelligent.

          • Martin28

            You sound like a real nut job. It’s obvious you know a very little bit, but try to sound like you really know something. You’re also a goof.

          • Artimus Clyde

            “But I CAN discern Satan from a hole in the groundl And you? ”

            You make A LOT of claims that you can’t back up even a little bit. You can’t even begin to provide evidence for the claims your narcissism and arrogance has provided. Atheism is just the disbelief in theistic claims. If you think that’s unreasonable then you are the real nut job. If you think it’s unreasonable not to believe in magical fairy tales of talking animals, the manipulation of physics, living inside a fish, etc. etc. then your brain is beyond repair.

          • Martin28

            Artimus, do you understand the meaning of “hypocrisy”? You are the only one here who is making a lot of claims that you can’t back up. You claim many incorrect things about me, yet you can provide NO reasonable argument for such erroneous beliefs. You honestly believe in your own unsupported opinion, only because you think you believe it. Has it ever occurred to you to examine your own concepts? You know the old saying, “Don’t believe everything you think”. Why don’t you spend some time looking at your core beliefs and try, try to find some kind of support for them?

          • Artimus Clyde

            I made no claims, I simply stated you can’t back up your claims, which you haven’t at all.

            I can support every single one of my beliefs. I don’t believe in things without evidence. I don’t believe in fairy tales, sorry.

          • Martin28

            You can support every one of your beliefs with incomplete information, but once you “come to the full knowledge of the truth” you will retract all of your previous fairy tales. Modern science is only just barely catching up to the knowledge of ancient spirituality. I guess you don’t read much, do you?

          • Artimus Clyde

            pseudoscientific theories? Are you mad? Name 1, just 1. Sorry, but I don’t just except things as “truth” because it makes me feel good. You seem to make a lot of predictions based on absolutely nothing.

            “Modern science is only just barely catching up to the knowledge of ancient spirituality.”

            so incredibly wrong it’s not even funny. There is a reason most scientists are atheist/agnostic/non-religious. Are you going to back up any of your existing claims? Or are you just going to keep making more unfounded claims….

          • Martin28

            “Most scientists are atheists”? Not according to the facts: http://blogs.christianpost.com/confident-christian/are-the-majority-of-scientists-atheists-16695/
            Thank you for helping me to once again prove my assertion that you are willing to believe any pseudo-scientific postulation or other spurious drivel to try in desperation to support your unscientific, illogical atheist religious beliefs. As I have suggested, modern Science is about as far behind Spirituality as your ideas are behind true Science.

          • Artimus Clyde

            First off, you linked me to a christian blog and you think that’s a valid resource? Second, did you even read that blog post? They aren’t denying the numbers they are denying the reason why they became atheists.

            Please tell me that your scope of research ends at a Christian blog post. Absolutely pathetic.

            Martin, you are grasping at straws here, you should just give up…..seriously. You are making no sense whatsoever.

            “Thank you for helping me to once again prove my assertion that you are willing to believe any pseudo-scientific postulation or other spurious drivel to try in desperation to support your unscientific, illogical atheist religious beliefs”

            That sentence right there just shows your desperation. It makes no sense. And once again you are claiming just because someone denies someone elses claims until they’ve supported it with evidence that somehow that is illogical. Wow.

            Atheism is as much a religion as not believing in santa claus is a religion.

            “As I have suggested, modern Science is about as far behind Spirituality as your ideas are behind true Science.”

            Yes, I know you have suggested that. Still makes no sense, you haven’t even defined what spirituality is. Your anti-science stance makes you as ignorant as they come.

          • Martin28

            You seem to be unable to present any substantial argument, yet offer only empty protestations. I refuse to engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed individual.

          • Artimus Clyde

            I feel as though you are reading an entirely different thread. I guess the saying, you can’t argue science and evidence with someone who doesn’t value science and evidence, is absolutely true. I’m glad this thread is here for people to review, read, and interpret. You may believe whatever you want but i’m very confident in these comments laying around for others to evaluate. Good luck.

          • Martin28

            Artimus, you talk science and evidence, but you don’t have any. I talk miracles from Jesus, and I have PLENTY. I guess you aren’t yet aware that Quantum Physics is only JUST NOW beginning to scratch the surface of the spiritual realm that the prophets of God having been talking about FOR EONS? You’re WA-A-AY BEHIND the science, Artimus. Talk just doesn’t cut it. Only true knowledge does.

          • Meepestos
          • Martin28

            Sending a link is easy; anyone can do it. But detailing how it applies to an argument takes more skill. Btw, didn’t even read the link.

          • Artimus Clyde

            You did exactly the same thing, and it appears you didn’t even read that link which you were using to try and support your argument. It didn’t support your argument at all.

          • Aliya Abeles

            “Modern science is only just barely catching up to the knowledge of ancient spirituality”? So, your saying that your smarter than these genius scientists that actually have EVIDENCE to their theories?

          • Martin28

            Yes, Aliya, that is precisely what I’m saying; how perceptive of you! You call these scientists “geniuses”, yet have you never wondered WHY, exactly, they cannot “cure” depression? Hopelessness? Suicidal ideation? Or “cure” cancer without killing half of its victim? Maybe they aren’t as ‘genius’ as you think they are. They are playing Lego with subatomic particles and dangerous pharmaceuticals, and excising anatomical parts in a vain effort to be healers, and yet Jesus was doing the job perfectly well a couple of millennia ago without the use of ANY drugs, scalpel or multi-billion-dollar particle accelerators. And He is still doing it today! Modern Scientists are but backward, village witch doctors compared to the King of Glory. He can even bring the long-dead back to life! And that is because He is THE CREATOR of life. I suggest you find out for yourself exactly who Jesus is, and discover His intended purpose for your life. I guarantee you, it will be FAR greater than anything you can conceive on your own.

          • Cailin

            “You’re like someone who claims the existence of turtles proves that waffles are intelligent” Oh my god this is my favourite analogy ever. Using in every religious debate from now on. Thank you.

          • Mike Boone

            Most of the scientists working in the area of Quantum Physics don’t believe in a god that has any relationship with humans. And those that might believe in a supreme being great enough to have created the universe, certainly don’t believe that same supreme being would then be petty enough to create little creatures like us, just so that this being would be able to judge those he made, as well as have them constantly praise and worship their maker. Such a being wouldn’t be supreme at all, but would merely be a vengeful and insecure tyrant.

          • Martin G.

            Sure thing, Mike. I bet you’ve hung out with all the Quantum physicists and asked them if they believe God, right? You’re full of shit, Mike. Besides, who cares what others believe? If you have the truth, you don’t need a second opinion.

          • nobodyinparticular

            “It’s a good thing that the religious don’t try to force their beliefs into government and public schools” Nick? Where have you been the last century? Or do you just not REMEMBER George W. Bush. Or the Intelligent Design trial in Dover Delaware. Or Rick Perry’s “The Response”, where they all stood around and PRAYED FOR RAIN. Or how many DOZENS of times some crappy politician has tried to get a monument to the 10 commandments put up. Or that horrible video of the government advisor on science, standing in front of that WALL full of deer heads mounted on the wall, telling about how the world is 6000 years old and crap. The religious are CONSTANTLY TRYING to force their beliefs into government and public schools, I don’t remember what his name was, the guy in front of the deer, it was so ridiculous a visual to go along with the ridiculous thing he was saying.

          • Martin28

            Who cares what “religious” people are doing? What is GOD doing? Because THAT is what is going to make the difference. Won’t you be surprised when the prophecies God made 4000 years ago bear themselves out to be true. And you will be sitting there with your YouTube videos saying, “HO-LEE SHIT”! The coffee is BURNING, jackass!

          • Edward J Baker

            The atheistic ignorance you promote is rooted in the notion that a being formed by material accident and being of purely material substance can have the capacity to make value judgments,

          • Nick

            If you need to believe in some invisible sky wizard to keep you from raping and killing people, then by all means, keep believing. Please try to understand that some people are adults and don’t need fairy tales to keep us from murdering people. You also seem to be very fond of telling me what I believe. There is no evidence for any god. We know that all religions are just man-made mythology. There is no evidence for the existence of elves. Basing one’s beliefs on evidence is not ignorance.

          • Edward J Baker

            Clearly, you can not follow an argument. You avoid having to account for a human capacity for instrumental willfulness given your implicit utilitarian and material interpretation of a functional existence. You have no sense of logic at all. Instead you take refuge in ad hominin non sequiturs.

          • Nick

            You are the one using strawman arguments. I have not said one word about people believing in a god. I have only said that religion is nonsense. Believing that some god inpregnated a virgin with himself is not logical. That is not my fault.

          • Edward J Baker

            You take refuge in another strawman argument, an ignorance of logic, which deal with contingencies not single propositions, and indulge bald faced dishonesty. You have mocked those who believe in God, and you again dodge the question, admittedly over the head of your illogical mind, of how value judgments can be made by beings whose existence is a pure material accident. Despite your claims of revering science, you use it to merely take refuge without serious thought to its implications.

            It is in the very nature of science and the scientific method that it cannot at all address or understand free agency. The chief problem with a materialism of the mind carried to its logical conclusion is that it ignores contrary evidence to its “we are just a pack of neurons” interpretation of existence. If our mental life is nothing but electrical impulses, then we cannot explain the realm of abstract concepts, including those of theoretical science. Nor can we explain the human mind’s openness to truth, the foundation of all thought, nor vain attempts to deny truth. Materialists cannot explain why anything should go right, even observation and deduction, why good logic should not be as misleading as bad logic, if they are both chance movements in the brain of a bewildered ape. Materialists exalt reason, but they can not account for reason. Neither can materialism account for consciousness, free will, value judgments, and the existence of a unitary self. In a purely material world such things cannot exist. Matter cannot be free or have a self. Neither can matter venerate the sacred or have remorse for personal failures. Matter can not sacrifice or have compassion for the suffering.

          • Nick

            I have not mocked people who believe in god once. I have mocked people who believe in religion because it is ridiculous. Do you what a strawman argument is?
            Humans ability to make value judgments depends on the human. You are claiming that some god is the answer without providing evidence for that god. Humanity as a whole seems to have developed value judgments as it went along. This is why slavery is illegal even though the Bible condones it.
            Humans having morality is not evidence for some god, it is evidence that some humans are moral. Your pathetic argument is the same as every religious person. We don’t know something so your god is the answer. Science may have explained the answers to your questions, I don’t feel like looking it up right now. You country reading some science for once. I know that scares the religious but be brave. Humans tried to explain disease, famine, floods, droughts, earthquakes, volcanos, comets, mental illness, lighting, etc as the work of some god for centuries. They all appear to be natural occurrences with no invisible sky wizard. You are no different than cavemen huddled in a cave because they thought thunder meant some god was angry. Some people are adults and don’t have to invent fairy tales to explain what they do not know.

          • Nick

            Why do Christians go out of their way to tell other people about their mythology? Why is that good but when I try to encourage logic over Bronze-Age mythology it is bad?

          • Solaire of Astora

            Woah a year bit late mate I dunno go and ask one lol bye

          • Terri Carlisle Williams

            I think that it is very interesting that you only responded to that part. And if the number really is 80%, why then are our children not allowed to pray in school, and many companies are insisting we say Happy Holidays, Instead of Merry Christmas. You want to be Atheist, that is your right. My gripe here is, being told that I have no right and that I am wrong to want to be christian.

          • Nick

            Kids are and always have been able to pray in school. The school just can’t lead the prayer because it is part of the government. For true freedom the government must be secular because mythology believers can’t agree on which god to worship and how to worship that god. Also as always your god is oddly silent on the matter. What private businesses do is their business. Maybe they don’t want to exclude anyone because the country is getting less religious by the day. The telling part is mythology believers think they are being persecuted when they aren’t allowed to force their nonsense on others.

          • southpaw81

            Actually, if they follow JESUS (of course most Christians CLAIM to, but make up their own rules and ignore his words) Jesus said “Go into your closet, and when you have closed the door, Pray to God in secret and God will see you in secret and reward you openly.” So, praying in public is 100% against what Jesus taught.

          • southpaw81

            That was actually Matthew 6;6 … I was doing that from memory … and I looked it up to get the exact chapter and verse in Matthew to reference it chapter and verse … and if you include 5, he says people who pray in public are Hypocrites. LOL

            This is what it says:

            Matthew 6:5-6King James Version (KJV)

            5 And
            when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.

            6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.

            bit.ly/1W8wpns

          • Mike Boone

            Also in Matthew 4:8, in the King James Version, it says: “Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them.”

            Well that story of the Devil trying to tempt Christ by taking him to an “exceeding high mountain” to show him all the kingdoms of the world he was offering Christ dominion over, could only be a true story IF THE EARTH WAS FLAT. Because due to the curvature of the earth, the maximum distance it’s possible to see from the world’s tallest mountain, Mt. Everest, is 75 miles, since beyond that distance, an observer has to be literally looking past the edge of the world, into space, because the earth is a spherical globe.

            And at the time of Christ, such earthly kingdoms as those of the Mayans and the Aztecs, in South America and Mexico, were on the other side of the world from kingdoms of the Far East, like the Chinese kingdom. So no matter how tall a mountain there were to be on earth, it could never give anyone the ability to see all of the kingdoms on earth that existed at the time of Christ.

            So that mythical fantasy in Matthew 4:8 is just one more example of why the New Testament of the King James Bible is pure BS.

          • LadyLoneStar

            Jesus also teaches to “pray without ceasing”. Praying in public as a spectacle is what He meant. Don’t pray only in public so that others see you praying. Prayer is simply conversing with God.

          • Nick

            By the way, 80%refers to the number of religious not just Christians. It is odd that there are so many different versions of the one true religion.

          • disqus_7fb9ZsMuvL

            Its because some groups of people have different interpretations of the Bible and or take different parts of the Bible and twist it to accommodate their lifestyle. Don’t really understand that myself.

          • LadyLoneStar

            The “thing” that you are missing….”it” isn’t “religion”….being a Christian (doesn’t make you perfect…no human but one is or was perfect) is trying to follow the examples instructed by the life and teachings of Jesus Christ. (BTW, you can pretend He doesn’t exist all you want but in the back of your mind you know that His love is infinite because He gave His life that you would have a chance to live in the Kingdom of GOD….yes, friend, it’s a capital G…because that’s His name…..God…..have some respect.)

            There is a huge difference between “religion” (religion is man made) and “Christianity”…that difference is a close personal relationship with the Only Son of the One and Only GOD, Jesus Christ.

          • Karl Ström

            The Christian main god’s name is Yahweh….not Gawd lmao dumb ass !

          • LadyLoneStar

            Seriously? And you are dumb enough to call me a dumb ass? Ha….

            Christians have ONE God….there isn’t a “main god”…His name is over 900…He is beyond anything your little pea brain can comprehend. He is the Alpha & Omega, the Great I AM, Abba, Father, Abhir, Almighty, Ancient of Days….that’s just a few. He is the Great Shepherd, Almighty Comforter, Counselor, Creator, Daystar, Deliverer, Dwelling Place, El, Elah, Elayuth, El Berith, El `Elyon, El Gibhor, `Eloah, Everlasting Father, Everlasting God, Everlasting King, Faithful and True, Faithful Father….that’s just to the “F’s” of some of His names…He is EVERYTHING. Yahweh is just one of His MANY names….your’s is just Karl.

          • Nick

            How is Christianity not man-made?

          • LadyLoneStar

            Purely from the dictionary:
            Christian: (noun) a person who believes in Jesus Christ; adherent of Christianity.
            “Religion” or “organized religion IS manmade.

          • Nick

            Odd how you leave out the definition of religion. Everything written about Jesus was well after his supposed death by men. Most of what became the Christian religion was decided at the Council of Nicea, once again by men. How is it not man-made?

          • LadyLoneStar

            What you fail to understand is the fact that a Christian is a person who BELIEVES in Jesus Christ. A Christian is a person who strives to fashion their live by the example that Jesus led when he lived 33 years on this earth. Surrendering your life (your will) over to your savior isn’t “man-made”, the conscience effort to live your life in a way that is pleasing to the One and Only God isn’t “man-made”, it goes beyond anything man COULD make. (Your “Council of Nicea” IS man-made).

          • Nicholaus

            The only one here failing to understand anything is you. I know very well what Christians believe. Just like with every other religion, there is zero evidence that Christianity is not man-made. Judging by the number of errors and contradictions contained in the Bible, the evidence suggests that it is man-made as are the beliefs that it promotes. There is zero evidence outside of the Bible that Jesus ever existed. You can keep claiming that your mythology is not man-made but adults ask for evidence and that is the one thing you have not provided in all of this time.

          • LadyLoneStar

            Do you simply want to argue or do you really want to know the truth?

            No amount of contradicting or derogatory or delusional comments from you about Christianity is going to change my belief.

            Scientific evidence and debates about whether God’s human form, Jesus walked this earth 2,000 (or so) years ago is ALL man-made because it’s man’s delusion to disprove historic accounts written down about the incident. (Yes, Nick, there are historic accounts that Jesus lived other than the Bible).

            So you research for yourself with your heart not your intellect to understand and accept or you choose to turn a blind eye to the truths that don’t fit your narrative of what you’ve been told to be true.

            Nick, it’s your choice. In the same respect, it’s mine for my own life. Personally, I don’t care if you believe, understand, accept or not and I’m fine with that for you. As for me, I do believe, understand and accept Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior. Again, the choice is yours.

          • Nick

            If it ere the truth, there would be evidence. You did perfectly sum up how religious people think. A religious person could easily change my mind with evidence. You said that nothing would change your belief.
            Not one person wrote about Jesus while he supposedly lived. The Bible claims that Jesus did some amazing things and drew great crowds wherever he went but no one thought it was worth writing down till well after he died? That is not evidence, that is hearsay at best.
            I will continue to research with my intellect thank you. I do understand that people must turn of their brain to believe in mythology though. You keep talking about truths but have yet to produce any.
            The simple fact is that religion is on the decline in free, educated countries around the world. It is very telling that in order for religion to grow it requires brainwashing and threats of eternal damnation but for people to leave mythology only requires freedom and an education based on evidence. Keep your mythology out of government and public schools and I don’t care what Bronze-Age mythology you choose to believe.

          • LadyLoneStar

            I’ll say it again, since you can read English….I don’t have to PROVE everything to you.

            And another thing, the choice is yours. I’m not telling you how to live your life….you’ve no right to tell me how to live mine. So…”keep your mythology” nonsense outta government and public schools. And have a blessed day, because whether you like it or not our Heavenly Father loves you too.

          • Nick

            If you call something the truth, expect rational people to ask for evidence. It is not my fault that your mythology has no evidence.
            This invisible sky wizard you pretend is real does not offer a choice. This petty, jealous god threatens people with eternal damnation just for asking for one shred of evidence before believing in the god. That is not a choice unless you consider it a choice when a dictator demands loyalty or death. Except the dictator is no where near as evil. Thankfully it is just Bronze-Age fairy tales.

          • LadyLoneStar

            Evidently I was mistaken, you can’t read English. Continue to parrot everything you’ve been told in your life is truth, Nick. It’s truly laughable how you can think for yourself.

            Where do you live? Where did you grow up?

          • Nick

            No one told me to not believe in fairy tales, it was a conclusion I made after examining the evidence. Lack of evidence to be more precise. You are the one claiming to know some truth without any evidence. That is not knowing, that is pretending.

          • LadyLoneStar

            Historian Gary Habermas lists 39 ancient sources for Jesus, from which he numerators more than 100 reported facts about Jesus’ life, teachings, crucifixion and resurrection. In fact, the historical evidence for Jesus’ execution is so strong that one of the most famous New Testament scholars in the world, Gerd Luedemann of Germany said Jesus’ death as a consequence of crucifixion is indisputable. There are very few facts in ancient history that a critical historian like Luedemann will say that is one of them is that the execution of Jesus Christ is indisputable. We can reconstruct the basic facts about the execution of Jesus from non-Christian sources outside the Bible. As the agnostic historian, Bart Ehrman, “Jesus did exist whether we like it or not.”
            Lee Strobel was an atheist and is now a professor of Christian Thought at the Houston Baptist University and the author of more than 20 books about Christianity including “The Case for Christ”. “Beyond any reasonable doubt, Jesus existed. We affirm that fact daily with the date! Our calendars have been split between B.C. and A.D. based on the birth of Jesus which is quite a feat if He never existed.
            Denying the proof and existence of Jesus Christ does not make Him go away, it merely proves that no amount of evidence will convince you otherwise.”
            There is another book, for your reading and research on this subject, “Man, Myth, Messiah Answering History’s Greatest Question” by Rice Broocks and Dr. Gary Habermas You can find it on Amazon.com
            Have a blessed day and happy reading for your proof.

          • Nicholaus

            I don’t see Habermas’ 39 sources. I did find his methodology for his evidence.
            Here are the 5 “facts” Habermas and Licona use to argue for the Resurrection:

            Jesus died by crucifixion.
            Jesus’ disciples so strongly believed in the Resurrection that they were willing to suffer or die for their beliefs.
            The Christian persecutor Paul suddenly converted.
            The skeptic James, brother of Jesus, suddenly converted.
            The tomb was empty.

            Jesus died by crucifixion according to the story but the Romans made no mention of it.
            Many people die for many religious beliefs. Trying to use this as evidence is laughable.
            Many people convert all the time to many religions.
            See above.
            The tomb was empty according to the story again. This guy is a joke. He says that the Bible is proof that what is in the Bible is true. I got this from his website before you ask.

          • Nicholaus

            You should really check more than one source. Gerd Luedemann believes that early Christian belief in Jesus’ resurrection was the product of hallucinatory experiences originally induced by guilt-complexes in Peter and Paul.

          • Nicholaus

            Lee Strobel cites “archeologist” Jerry Vardaman’s work as the strongest example of archaeological confirmation” that the Bible is true. There are a few problems with this.
            1. Vardaman has never published any of his accounts in any peer-reviewed journal, or ever subjected his work on ‘microletters’ to any critical review of any kind by any other party.

            2. Vardaman has never produced any of the coins that he claims contain micrographic letters! Nor has he produced, say, photo enlargements of the coins. Instead, he’s produced hand-written drawings of what he says the coins look like!

            3. Comically, those drawings of coins dating back to the first century CE contain the letter ‘J’ — even though the ‘J’ was not invented for another nine centuries! This is like finding a painting said to be a Rembrandt but noticing that the subject is wearing a digital watch and eating a bag of Doritos.
            Strobel claims to be a journalist but he doesn’t seem to do much research.

          • Nicholaus

            As for how keep dates:
            Dionysius devised his system to replace the Diocletian system, named after the 51st emperor of Rome, who ruled from A.D. 284 to A.D. 305. The first year in Dionysius’ Easter table, “Anno Domini 532,” followed the year “Anno Diocletiani 247.” Dionysius made the change specifically to do away with the memory of this emperor who had been a ruthless persecutor of Christians.

            Dionysius never said how he determined the date of Jesus’ birth, but some authors theorize that he used current beliefs about cosmology, planetary conjunctions and the precession of equinoxes to calculate the date. Dionysius attempted to set A.D. 1 as the year of Jesus Christ’s birth, but was off in his estimation by a few years, which is why the best modern estimates place Christ’s birth at 4 B.C.
            Using AD and BC was just made up, like the rest of your mythology.

          • Nicholaus

            Here is a fact about the Jesus character. Not one person alive at the time bothered to write a single word about him. There are no artifacts, dwelling, works of carpentry, or self-written manuscripts. The only writings about Jesus are hearsay at best. Hearsay means information derived from other people rather than on a witness’ own knowledge.
            The most “authoritative” accounts of a historical Jesus come from the four canonical Gospels of the Bible. Note that these Gospels did not come into the Bible as original and authoritative from the authors themselves, but rather from the influence of early church fathers, especially the most influential of them all: Irenaeus of Lyon who lived in the middle of the second century. Many heretical gospels existed by that time, but Irenaeus considered only some of them for mystical reasons. He claimed only four in number; according to Romer, “like the four zones of the world, the four winds, the four divisions of man’s estate, and the four forms of the first living creatures– the lion of Mark, the calf of Luke, the man of Matthew, the eagle of John (see Against the Heresies). The four gospels then became Church cannon for the orthodox faith. Most of the other claimed gospel writings were burned, destroyed, or lost.” [Romer]
            Elaine Pagels writes: “Although the gospels of the New Testament– like those discovered at Nag Hammadi– are attributed to Jesus’ followers, no one knows who actually wrote any of them.” [Pagels, 1995]

            Not only do we not know who wrote them, consider that none of the Gospels existed during the alleged life of Jesus, nor do the unknown authors make the claim to have met an earthly Jesus. Add to this that none of the original gospel manuscripts exist; we only have copies of copies.

            The consensus of many biblical historians put the dating of the earliest Gospel, that of Mark, at sometime after 70 C.E., and the last Gospel, John after 90 C.E. [Pagels, 1995; Helms]. This would make it some 40 years after the alleged crucifixion of Jesus that we have any Gospel writings that mention him! Elaine Pagels writes that “the first Christian gospel was probably written during the last year of the war, or the year it ended. Where it was written and by whom we do not know; the work is anonymous, although tradition attributes it to Mark…” [Pagels, 1995]

            Please understand that the stories themselves cannot serve as examples of eyewitness accounts since they came as products of the minds of the unknown authors, and not from the characters themselves. The Gospels describe narrative stories, written almost virtually in the third person. People who wish to portray themselves as eyewitnesses will write in the first person, not in the third person. Moreover, many of the passages attributed to Jesus could only have come from the invention of its authors. For example, many of the statements of Jesus claim to have come from him while allegedly alone. If so, who heard him? It becomes even more marked when the evangelists report about what Jesus thought. To whom did Jesus confide his thoughts? Clearly, the Gospels employ techniques that fictional writers use. In any case the Gospels can only serve, at best, as hearsay, and at worst, as fictional, mythological, or falsified stories.
            Some person could have existed that became the Jesus character but there is no evidence to support it. Your life is yours to live. Believe whatever makes you happy but pretending to have evidence when there is none is just sad. There is a reason why your mythology requires faith, because it can not provide evidence.

          • LadyLoneStar

            Again, the quote from Lee Strobel is spot on: “Denying the proof and existence of Jesus Christ does not make Him go away, it merely proves that no amount of evidence will convince you otherwise.”

          • Nick

            I agree, his quote is spot on if you have no idea what evidence really is.

          • LadyLoneStar

            No amount of evidence will convince you. But you are right, “you have no idea”. I feel sorry for you, Nick.

          • Nick

            Actually it really wouldn’t take much evidence to convince me. You are actually talking about yourself. You have yet to refute one single fact that I have posted. You must first provide evidence for a person to evaluate it. You seem to have no idea how the world of evidence works.

          • LadyLoneStar

            Now you’re just lying to yourself.

          • Nick

            How am I lying to myself? You presented some nonsense that you claimed was evidence. I did a little research and easily refuting it. Religious people who admit that their religion must be accepted on blind faith are at least honest. You are the one incapable of honesty here.

          • LadyLoneStar

            Nick, I’ve given you “evidence”…you refuse to read or watch any of the videos. I can’t help you. You’re close minded and adamant that your “indoctrination” all through your sad life is the only answer. So, good luck with that.

          • Nick

            You have not given any evidence. You haven’t even come close. What you tried to present as evidence was easily refuted with just a little research.
            I see we can add indoctrination to the long list of words that you don’t know the definition of. I have read the Bible. I have read many writings from Christians, I have watched many of their videos. Have you ever read anything critical of your religion? Have you ever researched earlier religions from the Middle East that show yours to just be copied? Religion spreads through indoctrination, fear, and threats. Atheism spreads through freedom and an education based on evidence. The difference is striking. There is a reason why religious parents indoctrinate their children into religion as early as possible, because no one would believe that nonsense after the brain is allowed to mature.

          • LadyLoneStar

            Two or more months ago. You are simply lost. I will continue to pray for your soul but I’m not going to continue to go around in circle with your nonsense.

          • Mike Boone

            Actually, it makes sense to me that a book written by ignorant humans of a backward civilization that still had practices like the blood sacrifices of animals, would be a book that would still have great appeal to ignorant people of the 21st century. But, looking at the bright side, at least most bible believers are relatively harmless, and would never commit terrorist acts like flying planes into buildings or blowing up abortion clinics.

          • Peter J Heaton

            The whole point is that You can be anything You want to be. Just don’t force it upon others

          • Neroke2013

            Aww give me a freaking break. North America isn’t just a Christian Country anymore and last time I checked it AINT ATHEISTS that are knocking on my door at 8am in the morning to talk about Jesus!

            But don’t worry I’m sure you believe your god is the one true just like people used to believe in Zeus!

          • Mike Boone

            Hey, don’t knock Zeus! At least the Zeus of a mythology that preceded the Christian mythology, unlike Christ’s Daddy, was not portrayed as a criminally negligent father who allowed his own innocent son to be tortured to death to supposedly allow him to forgive people, when as a supposedly almighty god, he would have obviously possessed the power already, to forgive anyone who sought his forgiveness.

            Anyway, how do Christians think that people like Abraham and Moses could have ever been forgiven for their sins since they died centuries before Christ was born, and certainly, ages before he ever shed his blood?

          • Neroke2013

            I follow Yabglubius god of runny panty hose and fast food! He could crush Zeus in a second

          • Mike Boone

            Yes, but there is a power even greater than that, which has succeeded in crushing the minds of Christians, as well as those of people who accept any of the other religious belief systems. And that is the power of ignorance and fear of the unknown to be able to force most human beings into believing the most irrational and illogical doctrines that people have ever dreamed up.

            For example, I get a kick out of bible believing Christians who tell me that the book of Revelation is part of God’s true word. Because for one thing, Revelation is the product of an author who didn’t know the most basic thing about the stars. The book of Revelation states that in the End Times the stars will fall upon the earth like rain. But since in modern times, thanks to scientific progress, we know that each of the stars is thousands of times as large as the earth, we also realize that it would be quite impossible for the stars to fall upon the earth.
            I guess it’s a shame that the poor ignoramus who wrote the book of Revelation obviously believed that the stars were as tiny as they appear to be when viewed with the naked eye from earth. Gee, I thought a “real” God should have known that, since Christians tell me that it was their God who’s not only the supposed “Creator” of the stars, but is also the truth who is embodied by scripture. But well informed people in the 21st century now realize that much of scripture is obviously false. Or as the man usually considered the greatest mind of the 20th century, Albert Einstein, said: “Much of the bible is nothing more than childish superstition.” And professor Einstein’s statement sure points to a need for the world’s 2 billion Christians to grow up. Of course the billions of people who subscribe to faiths other than Christianity are just as clueless and misinformed as Christians are.

          • Neroke2013

            Mike…You do know I was being sarcastic and joking right?

          • Mike Boone

            Sure, Neroke2013, I’d never think that someone who talks about a god of runny panty hose and fast food was being serious unless such a person was caught up in doing some very heavy drugs. (Or a lot of booze.)

            Anyway, try to enjoy this weekend, because Easter Sunday is the one occasion, out of the entire year, when millions of the citizens of a supposedly civilized country, the United States, get to gather with family and friends to celebrate a human blood sacrifice.

            Naturally, if an actual god existed that had the incredible intellectual capacity and sophistication required to create the entire universe, and all forms of life, the last thing that such a being would be connected with would be a blood sacrifice which is a crude ritual that is characteristic of the most primitive human societies. The idea that such a supreme being would require his innocent son to be slowly tortured to death so that the deity could then extend forgiveness to humans who seek it, has to be one of the most asinine ideas found in any of the religions that man has made up. Obviously, such a great being would have the power to forgive with no need of any such sacrifice, or suffering.

            And the often repeated line: “HE so loved the world that he sacrificed his only begotten son”, is obviously pure BS because god as presented in the bible would know he was not going to lose his son because HE would know that his son would ascend to heaven to be with his father. Sacrifice means loss, and god loses nothing in the biblical account of his son’s crucifixion and eventual ascension into heaven.

            Now if a human being sacrifices a child, like Abraham was supposedly ready to do by stabbing his son Isaac to death, THAT WOULD BE A TRUE SACRIFICE because no human could be sure that he would ever again see the child that he sacrificed.

            The whole idea of having an Easter holiday wherein people celebrate a human sacrifice made me wonder how much more crude than that could holidays be among a society of cannibals, for example. But thinking that just caused me to remember that Christians, themselves, already practice symbolic cannibalism when they participate in so called Holy Communion because, for Protestants, the communion wafer that’s eaten symbolizes Christ’s body, and Catholics actually believe that the wafer is transformed into part of Christ’s body as they ingest it.

            Strange that Catholics would actually be engaging in cannibalism if their doctrine concerning communion were to be true. Some scientist needs to put the minds of Catholics at ease concerning cannibalism by carefully monitoring a communion wafer from when a person first has it handed to him by the priest, all through that person’s bodily processes actually transforming the wafer into the excrement that falls into the toilet bowl the next day. A scientist could easily prove that the only transformation that a communion wafer undergoes is it slowing turning into your standard brown crap.

            But, of course, people of science have much more important things to do than to point out the obvious falsity of the many religions that ignorant humans have dreamed up.

            However, Neroke2013, you have inspired me to try to avoid being so serious concerning nonsense like the Christ myth, and countless others. There really is a lot of humor built into religious dogma, if one knows where to look.

            Imagine a young man, many many years ago, who was so excited to participate in his first “Holy Communion” ritual, that he had eaten nothing that day prior to the ceremony, and still ate nothing for the rest of the day, after taking communion. But the next day, on Monday morning, the young man feels the need to defecate, and sits himself down on the bathroom throne, and he drops a small turd into the bowl. Then, while remembering that the only solid bit of food that he had consumed all day Sunday, was the communion wafer that he ate in taking “Holy Communion”, the kid suddenly looks down at the little turd in the bottom of the toilet bowl, and he exclaims: “Oh my god, that’s Holy Shit!” And that’s when today’s common expression, holy shit, was originally born.

            And “The Last Supper” gave birth to another popular expression. When Christ told his followers that the bread was his body, and that they should eat it in remembrance of him, that’s where today’s popular expression “Eat me!”, came from, although somehow the expression has taken on the meaning of an insult in our modern times. Oh well, let’s try to forgive these modern users of the “Eat me” expression because their ignorance of the original biblical context means that they know not what they do. They just don’t realize that only Jesus had the copyright granting sole authority to Christ to be able to tell people to eat him. Personally, though, I’d rather stick with Beefsteak Hearty Rye Bread, but that’s just me. I just somehow doubt that the body of Jesus goes along too well with peanut butter on it.

          • Oneironaut

            Children are allowed to pray in school, it just can’t be school-led. And people say Happy Holidays because guess what… Christians aren’t the only one who celebrate holidays in the winter! No one’s stopping you or anyone else from saying Merry Christmas, they just don’t want to be a presumptuous prick.

          • southpaw81

            You took the words right out of my mouth! LOL

          • Moni1111

            I remember as a kid in the 70s most of these older people claimed athiesm, but back then they were ridiculed for it.

          • Martin28

            They’re still ridiculed for it.

          • Karl Ström

            Yep, when the insane rule the world the sane must keep a low profile….well not any more ! Grow the fuck up you ignorant pixie lovers ! Talking Snakes WTF people how dumb are you ?

          • Martin28

            4000 years ago, a man who was inspired by the Spirit of God wrote this verse about you: “How long will you who are simple love your simple ways? How long will mockers delight in mockery and fools hate knowledge?” – Proverbs 1:22

          • James Smith

            And another thing you must realize about “Freedom of Religion”, it was meant so one could practice the religion of their choice, but it also meant freedom from religion. A lot of Christians like to point out that the founding fathers were Christian. Some were most were not. You should look up some of the quotes by Thomas Jefferson about Christianity.

          • linusbern

            Im sorry, I am unfamiliar with the right to not be hassled over what you say or believe.

            I think you made that up, because the same freedom of expression that allows you to say what you believe, also applies to the people who disagree with you.

            There is no right to not feel insulted, or not have your ideas challenged, unless you are a devout muslim in Pakistan that is.

          • Mike Boone

            Actually Ms Williams, it takes more courage for someone to publicly say that he or she is an atheist than a believer in God. Last year, former Massachusetts Congressman Barney Frank said on Bill Maher’s HBO program that although he had been an openly gay member of the U.S. Congress, from liberal Massachusetts, for many years, his political viability dictated that he remain silent about being an atheist until after recently retiring from Congress.

            Since about 5%, at a minimum, of Americans are fervent non-believers, it is almost certain that a proportion of an educated group of Americans like U.S. Senators and Congresspeople possess a similar, if not greater, level of disbelief.

            But we sure don’t hear any of our current crop of elected leaders in Washington stating that they don’t believe in God, do we? Poll after poll has shown that at least 70% of Americans want their President to be a “person of faith”, which obviously means that at least 70% of Americans would not vote for a known atheist to lead America. I guess Christians, and other God believers, prefer a man of faith, like Donald Trump, to even the most decent non-believer. But I, for one, would feel much more secure, as well as proud, for America to have a leader like the late non-believer, Dr Carl Sagan, the astronomer, who was so much more honest, logical, stable, and reasonable, than a creep like President Trump is.

            Of course we have all heard Donald’s claim: “The bible is my favorite book”. We had heard Mr Trump reaffirm that statement a number of times before we also heard how our new President speaks when he thinks the public won’t hear his words. You know, how Donald was caught by an open microphone of a taping device, bragging about how he could grab a woman’s private area, and due to his fame and wealth, she’d let him get away with it. Every atheist I know, including yours truly, is much more decent and civilized than that. Now I’m not saying that the bible caused Trump to become so crude, but its influence, and Donald’s frequent church attendance as a young man, obviously didn’t prevent such behavior, either.

            Anyhow, the fact I mentioned earlier that so many of our Senators and Congresspeople must be non-believers, but don’t dare say it, reminds me of a terrific line of dialog from “Spartacus” the 1960 Stanley Kubrick movie about the famous slave revolt against the Roman empire that occurred in the century before Christ was supposed to have walked the earth.

            A Roman Senator is wishing a military leader success as the military man is leaving on his mission to put down the slave revolt. And the Senator loudly proclaims “May the Gods be with you.” But after the army leader is out of earshot, the Senator’s colleague says to him: “I thought that you didn’t believe in the Gods”. And the first Senator’s reply is: “Privately I believe in none of them, and neither do you. But publicly, I believe in them all!”
            And sadly folks, a lot of America’s more well informed political leaders can be no more forthright in speaking publicly about how they really feel about the absurdity of believing in the invisible man (or woman, or thing) than that Roman Senator was while thinking that the Gods of his own time were an equally ignorant idea.

            Oh, and BTW, not too long ago in American history, during the fearful McCarthy era of the 1950s, in many American communities, a public school teacher could be fired solely for being honest enough to state that he or she was an atheist. And I’ve certainly never heard of a public school teacher being fired simply for saying that he or she is a Christian. It doesn’t happen!!But many of the uninformed believers of the 1950s falsely equated disbelief in a God with that non-believer being a Communist. The 2 things are not at all the same even though many Communists are non-believers. Because today, we even have conservative Republican commentators in the media, like S.E. (Sarah Elizabeth) Cupp, who are avowed atheists. But even a very sharp woman like Ms Cupp, doesn’t seem able to cause any of our non-believing Senators and members of Congress to ever open up about their true personal beliefs when she interviews them.

            But on the other hand many politicians just want to openly point to their Christianity as if it’s some additional qualification that makes them more suitable to serve in office. President George W Bush, an avowed Christian, told interviewers that he had sought his Father’s guidance before ordering the invasion of Iraq. But he went on to say that he wasn’t talking about getting such guidance from his biological father, the 1st President Bush, but rather, he had turned to his heavenly Father. And what a screw-up, as an adviser, that “Heavenly Father” must have performed as, because Bush bumbled into Iraq, no WMDs were found, almost 5,000 American military men and women died, and knocking Hussein out of power destroyed the balance of power between Iraq and Iran, totally destabilizing the region, and opening the way for ISIS. And there was no Al-Qaeda or terrorist bombings taking place in Iraq before America invaded the country. Good going, in your leading of George W Bush, “Heavenly Father”!! I’d only want such a “Heavenly Father” to lead me on my earthly walk, if I wanted to go over a cliff!

          • Martin28

            You’ll see plenty of evidence on Judgment Day.

          • Nick

            Thank you, the easiest way to spot a con us when evidence is asked for but only threats are offered.

          • LadyLoneStar

            Revealing a truth to you is far from a threat…..unless you have a guilty conscience about something. Maybe you’re in conflict about whether there is a God or not. Silly little man…look around you, God is revealed to you everywhere. And Gary is simply suggesting to you that you need to get your facts straight because life is definitely short….but eternity is forever….where do you wanna be….it’s your choice……just as it is my choice to follow Jesus Christ.

          • Nick

            The truth has evidence, that is how we can tell truth from myth. There is no conflict here, the existence of some god is possible. I never said otherwise but religion is man-made nonsense. Your mythology is no different. You should look up the definition of the word threat. You should also look up the difference between knowing and believing.

          • LadyLoneStar

            I’m not the “one” without a dictionary, Nick.

          • Nick

            Then you need to try using it because you do not know the definition of some very basic words. Just trying to help.

          • LadyLoneStar

            Right….You really should try harder.

          • Nick

            You are the one who doesn’t seem to know the definition of fact, evidence, truth, and so many other words. With the Internet finding definitions is free so there really is no excuse.

          • LadyLoneStar

            If God is a myth….why are you so troubled by Him?

          • Nick

            Please try to keep up. I never said that a god is impossible but the lack of evidence is very telling. Your mythology and all other mythologies are man-made nonsense. We know this because they all contain glaring errors and contradictions, your mythology is no different. I also am not bothered by your imaginary friend just the people who pretend that he is real. If religious people kept their nonsense in their churches and homes no one would care what you choose to believe. As long as mythology believers insist on forcing their mythology into government and public schools you should expect rational people to tell you no.

          • LadyLoneStar

            His existence has been scientifically proven, you are the one that can’t keep up.

            Poor Nick, I’m praying to God for you to find the truth before your last breath…you must be so afraid, alone and feel hopeless. You’ll be ok, Nick….just stop with the hate and self doubt. God loves you even though you turn your back on Him. He will always be there, ready for you with open, loving arms. No amount of your past sins will not be forgiven. You are loved by the One and Only True God….come to the Father, Nick and be saved and be free from all the negativity in your life.

          • Nick

            Please cite the scientific research that proved some diety exists, just one will do.
            Mythology believers are something else. I am not afraid, I have a great family and friends. You may be projecting a bit. I have no hate. I have grown to accept that mythology believers see rational thought as hate though. Fyi, just because someone chooses logic and reason over Bronze-Age mythology does not make them negative. Like I said, keep your religion in your church and home and no one will care what you believe. You can pray for me all you want, I hope you find logic someday. That being said, I do hope your mythology brings you happiness but please don’t be so small-minded to think that people can’t be happy without your mythology.

          • Wesley

            I seriously doubt that you would follow the logic. Proof of a “diety” I don’t have but virtually incontrovertible evidence of One is available to anyone who will think with sufficient profundity. I have not at the moment, the patience or time to explain the reasons that Sagan’s, Russell’s et al anti-logical
            claim that the physical realm always existed is incorrect. However, it begins with your need to understand what “nothing” (no-thing) really means. Apparently not as easy as I had once believed given that even Hawking does not comprehend the idea given his discussion of gravity as an uncaused cause {which is merely a thinly veiled repackaging of the aforementioned Sagan claim}. It will also require that you understand the term “time” as it applies to the physical realm. You will also be required to understand the
            reason that the physical realm itself leaves no room for any conclusion other than its creation by an Entity/Force/Power/ Intelligence WHO IS beyond the “laws” of the physical realm and the only Entity capable of the necessary fiat violation of the first Law of Thermodynamics. Finally, you must
            also be able to understand the facet of the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics known as “the arrow of time”…since you’re such a science-minded guy and ever ready for empirical evidence and logic {which you’ve plainly disregarded in
            some very material ways as it relates to the origin of the physical realm or to the aforesaid claim of Sagan, et al}. Once you’ve actually mustered the cerebral fortitude necessary to traverse several syllogisms and proofs and digest all of the aforesaid, you may then join the elite group of those who know that the Supreme Being exists; not “believe” but rather know; but I won’t be holding my breath. What I typically encounter are people who “address” the issue, not
            simply lacking virtually any objectivity but having already made conclusions and who then “search” for evidence for the existence of the Uncaused Cause / Prime Mover. So they’re more than willing to accept the absurdity of that which is inanimate {i.e. hydrogen and that of which it is composed down to the quarks, blues, yellows and beyond}, as having always existed AND having always been in motion. This is so only because, in most cases, they are predisposed to
            atheism due to an intense desire to relieve themselves of accountability for behavior that they know is wrong; i.e. evil; i.e. sinful; i.e. not in accord with God’s will. And they know it’s wrong because He says that they know it’s wrong having
            been introduced to the knowledge of good and evil. Oh, and some bad news: If you make it through the logic syllogisms and proof) your having deigned to acknowledge His existence will not save you from the condition known as Hell as God speaks of your accedence as follows: “Satan believes and trembles.” (as he damned well should).

          • Zay

            Your entire argument is just that there is a God/Deity and if there is, how on earth do you know you picked the right one? I’m assuming you’ve chosen the Christian God by your little quote at the end, but what if it’s Allah, Shiva, Queztalcoatl or Zeus? What evidence do you have for that decision?

          • Wesley

            By definition, there can be but 1 God. His “name” is unutterable. Refer to tetragrammaton. It helps to understand who He Is if you understand that the Bible is accurate. If you research Zeus, you will discover that he is man/myth but not divine. Allah?! I hope you’re not serious. Researching Mohammed and the Koran is more than clear and convincing evidence that whoever “Allah” is, he is not God and similar problems exist with regard to the other 2. So why so many Muslims? Satan and his friends are adept at confusing humans and leading them astray. The descendant of Ishmael is described by the Bible as a “wild ass of a man”…and states it not as a compliment.

          • https://disqus.com/home/channel/atheismftw/ Ian Cooper

            Explain to me how any ancient book can be considered compelling evidence of anything. Explain the process by which you can know for sure that your belief is valid. Let’s see real evidence that compels belief.

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            IF THERE WAS ANY PROOF YOUR CHRISTIAN GOD WAS REAL, THEN THERE WOULD NOT BE MILLIONS AND MILLIONS AND MORE MILLIONS OF FORMER CHRISTIANS, AND INCLUDING THE OVER 600 FORMER CHRISTIAN MINISTERS IN THE “CLERGY PROJECT” , WHO WERE PROGRAMMED BY THEIR PARENTS TO BE CHRISTIANS, WHO WERE CHRISTIANS FOR A FEW YEARS TO MOST OF THEIR LIVES, ONLY TO BECOME ATHEISTS DUE TO THEIR NOT FINDING A SINGLE SHRED OF EVIDENCE YOUR GOD EXISTS ANYWHERE OTHER THAN IN THE MINDS OF YOU POOR DELUDED PROGRAMMED RELIGIOUS ROBOTS.

          • Eddie Anderson

            Have you ever loved anyone? Prove it. lol.

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            FIRST CHILD, THE ODDS YOU CAN NOT EVEN DEFINE WHAT LOVE IS IN MANY PARAGRAPHES.
            WHILE I HAVE DONE SO IN ONLY ONE SENTENCE.
            ONLY AS IT IS OBVIOUS YOUR MENTAL AND CRITICAL THINKING SKLLS ARE SO POOR, I DOUBT YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO COMPREHEND IT.

            SECOND, ONLY A POOR LOGICALLY CHALLENGED DELUDED PROGRAMMED RELIGIOUS ROBOT SUCH AS YOURSELF WOULD EVER ASK SUCH A VERY CLUELESS QUESTION. ONE WHICH HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE SUBJECT.

            SO GO PLAY IN YOUR YARD WITH YOUR MENTALLY CHALLENGED PROGRAMMED RELIGIOUS ROBOT LITTLE FRIENDS.

          • LadyLoneStar
          • Eddie Anderson

            Don’t think so hard… don’t try to out-intellect others because you have it and rely on brain power to justify beliefs.

            Use your heart. Think about it, even in a world if there was no God would you really want to be a part of something that had no point? If you would then good luck. But I know I wouldn’t. I exist for a reason and if I didn’t exist here for a reason I wouldn’t want to be here.

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            TRULY INTELLIGENT, LOGICAL, INFORMED AND RATIONAL PEOPLE REALIZE THE ONLY WAY TO KNOW IF YOUR BELIEFS
            ARE VALID IS BY BRAIN POWER.
            GATES, FORD, HEMMINGWAY, MOZART, BRAMS, BUFFET, SIR RICHARD BRANSON, PITT, JOLE, JODY FOSTER, BARTON,
            NIGHTENGALE, HEPBURN, BRANDO, EDISON, TESAL, CURIE, PASTURE AND ALL THE OTHER MANY TOUSANDS OF VERY FAMOUS AND SUCCESSFUL ATHEISTS KNOW EXISTENCE WITHOUT A GOD IS VERY REWARDING.
            OF COURSE, YOU POOR DELUDED ROGRAMMED RELIGIOUS
            ROBOTS HAVE NO CLUE AS TO THE FACTS AND THE TRUTH!

          • Eddie Anderson

            Would you rather be a robot in heaven, or a human in hell, lol.

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            AS THE ONLY PLACES EITHER HEAVEN OR HELL EXISTS ARE IN BOOKS AND/OR THE MINDS OF YOU POOR DELUDED PROGRAMMED RELIGIOUS ROBOT CHRISTIANS, YOUR QUESTION DOES NOT APPLY TO ME.

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT
          • Nicholaus

            I choose reality.

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT
          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            SOME OF THE KILLING YOUR GOD COMMANDS

            Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. “The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him.” (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God If a man still prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall say to him, “You shall not live, because you have spoken a lie in the name of the Lord.” When he prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall thrust him through. (Zechariah 13:3 NAB)Kill False Prophets They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)Kill Nonbelievers Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19 NAB)Death to Followers of Other Religions A priest’s daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death. (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)Death for Fornication If a man commits adultery with another man’s wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)Death for Adultery 2) All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. They are guilty of a capital offense. (Leviticus 20:9 NLT) 1) If one curses his father or mother, his lamp will go out at the coming of darkness. (Proverbs 20:20 NAB)Death for Cursing Parents Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. (Exodus 21:15 NAB)Death for Hitting Dad A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for their death. (Leviticus 20:27 NAB)Kill Fortunetellers “If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives.” (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)Kill Homosexuals You should not let a sorceress live. (Exodus 22:17 NAB)Kill Witches Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)Kill People Who Don’t Listen to Priests1) Capital Punishment Crimes: BIBLE KILLING!! AND FYI ,IN THE “N.T.” JC SAID THAT EVERY THING IN THE “O.T.” WAS TRUE AND SHOULD BE FOLLOWED

          • Eddie Anderson

            Interesting… don’t forget to note Jesus Christ died for us for our sins so all that is forgiven if you believe in HIM.

            :)

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            IF YOU WERE ACTUALLY A KNOWLEDGEABLE PERSON, YOU WOULD KNOW JESUS IS A FICTIONAL PERSON AND THAT THERE IS NO VALID SECULAR PROOF HE EVER EXISTED.

          • Martin G.

            No Neil, IF YOU WERE ACTUALLY A KNOWLEDGEABLE PERSON, you would know that Jesus is Lord of Lords and King of Kings. But you don’t, because you are an emotionally-driven, unscientific buffoon who thinks with his dick and feels with his brain. Like most people who write in CAPS ONLY.

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            IF YOU DID NOT HAVE YOUR HEAD UP YOUR ASS, YOU WOIULD REALIZE THE ONLY REASON YOU ARE A CHRISTIAN AND NOT A HINDU WHO BELIEVES THEIR THOUSANDS OF GODS ARE REAL AS STRONGLY AS YOU BELIEVE THE BULL SHIT YOU DO IS BECAUSE YOU WERE RAISED BY CHRISTIANS. ———— ONLY YOU ARE SO SPROGRAMMED, YOU ARE UNABLE TO GRASP SUCH A SIMLPLE FACT. ———————————————————————————————————————————–I PITY YOU AND THOSE OF YOUR ILLOGICAL IRRATIONAL AND DELUDED ILK.

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            THE STORY OF JESUS IS JUST A COPY OF THE STORIES OF OTHER SO CALLED “SAVIORS” WHO WERE BELIEVED IN BEFORE THE CHRISTAN RELIGION WAS FOUNDED.

            THESE OTHER SAVIORS WERE ALSO BORN OF VIRGINS, BORN ON OR AROUND WINTER SOLSTICE, HAD THEIR OWN STAR, HAD 3 WISE MEN AT THERE BIRTH, WERE KILLED AND RESURRECTED THREE DAYS LATER (IN FACT, THERE ARE OVER 300 SIMILARITIES BETWEEN THESE OTHER SAVIORS AND JESUS)

            THE FACTS ARE JESUS WAS NOT TREATED AS BEING A REAL PERSON FOR THE FIRST 350 SOME YEARS OF THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION.

            IT DID NOT HAPPEN UNTIL THE CHRISTIANS DECIDED THEY WERE TIRED OF THE PAGAN SLAVES, WHO THEY HAD FREED IF THEY PROMISED TO BE CHRISTIANS, STILL CELEBRATING PAGAN HOLIDAYS SO THEY DECIDED, IN SPITE OD JESUS SUPPOSEDLY BEING BORN IN MARCH, TO CELEBRATE HIS BIRTH DAY AROUND THE WINTER SOLSTICE. THIS IS WHY WE HAVE, “CHRISTMAS”

          • LadyLoneStar

            The denial of God is the true delusion, a delusion that extends to the atheist’s view of humanity as “good,” all evidence to the contrary notwithstanding. A sober assessment of human beings recognizes that we lie, cheat, steal, lust, complain, envy, hate, and forget and that we are careless, ruthless, disrespectful, resentful, and loveless. We are all these things naturally from birth. This is what God means when He says, “There is no one who does good” (Psalm 14:3). We are so obviously sinful that it is silly to call human beings “good.”

            Nobody teaches children to lie; they do it naturally. Nobody teaches teenage boys to lust; they do it naturally. Nobody teaches the employee to resent his boss or spread malicious gossip about the coworker with whom he is competing for a promotion; he does these things naturally. Nobody teaches the wife to unjustly criticize her husband or the husband to neglect his wife; both do these things naturally. Yet in the sixth chapter of The God Delusion, entitled “The Roots of Morality: Why Are We Good?” Dawkins explains why human beings are good-based on nothing more than his own opinion-despite the fact that there is no God who can define what is “good.” Dawkins not only directly opposes the Bible’s teaching but he denies what is obvious to even the most casual observer of human nature and behavior.

            The ninth chapter of The God Delusion is called “Childhood, Abuse and the Escape from Religion.” In this chapter Dawkins replies to a question about clergy sexual abuse: “Horrible as sexual abuse no doubt was, the damage was arguably less than the long-term psychological damage inflicted by bringing the child up Catholic in the first place” (page 317). Human beings are good, says Dawkins, and even the sexual abuse they perpetrate is better than a religion that tells them they are not good. How he explains the desire for “good” men-priests or otherwise-to sexually abuse children is a mystery. The Bible, however, does explain it. Men do evil because their hearts are evil (Matthew 12:35), and unless men are made new creations in Christ (2 Corinthians 5:17), they will continue to do evil because it is their natural inclination (Romans 3:5-6, 10-11).

            Merriam-Webster’s online dictionary defines delusion as “something that is falsely or delusively believed or propagated; a persistent false psychotic belief regarding the self or persons or objects outside the self that is maintained despite indisputable evidence to the contrary; also, the abnormal state marked by such beliefs.” The last clause is significant: intellectual and moral delusion have permanent effects on the mind and heart. Believing lies causes the mind to begin to operate abnormally and to exist in a state that is not healthy and perhaps even dangerous, both for itself and for others. This is what the Bible calls “sin,” and a core element of our sin is our delusion that God does not exist.

            The God Delusion was written by a science professor, and it should be stated clearly here, given how often atheism presents itself under the banner of science, that science is not to blame for atheism or any other symptom of human sinfulness. In fact, many great scientists of the past were Christians, believing that God made the heavens and the earth and established the laws by which the natural world operates and which scientists investigate. Most of the “giants” of modern science were Christians. They pursued a rational understanding of the cosmos because they believed that God, who has a mind, had created the cosmos according to the principles of rational and mathematical operation that govern the human mind, which is fashioned according to the image of God (Genesis 1:27).

            Belief in God is no delusion. It is inherently and fundamentally rational, a logical response to seeing God’s handiwork (Psalm 19:1). Belief in God is the source of true wisdom regarding why human beings do evil things so often and so naturally, why we can work so hard to be good and still fail, and why Jesus Christ and only He is the spiritual hope for mankind.

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            SPOKEN JUST LIKE THE FACT DENYING, ILLOGICAL, IRRATIONAL PROGRAMMED RELIGIOUS ROBOT CHRISTIAN YOU KEEP PROVING YOU ARE!

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xl_TrvIIcBY

          • LadyLoneStar

            SPOKEN JUST LIKE THE FACT DENYING, ILLOGICAL, IRRATIONAL PROGRAMMED HATEFUL, FEARFUL LITTLE BOY THAT YOU ARE PROVING TO YOURSELF BECAUSE NO ONE ELSE EVEN READS YOUR BABBLE.

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT
          • Nicholaus

            Life has as much reason as one gives it. Some of us are adults and can handle life without inventing mythical dieties.

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            A PERSON’S PURPOSE IN LIFE IS WHAT EVER THEY CHOOSE IT TO BE. MINE IS TO LEARN, TEACH, TO ALWAYS EELL THE TRUTH AND DO THE “RIGHT” THING, WHICH IS TO HELP OTHERS EVEN IF MY HELPING THEM INCLUDES RISKING PHYSICAL INJURY AND DEATH. AND I AM PROUD TO SAY, I HAVE DONE OVER TEN TIMES,

          • Eddie Anderson

            What are you going to do when you die and your soul perishes and you run out of CAPS LOCKS keys in this short period of life we live in? LOL… I’ll be in heaven looking down asking God to forgive you…. I’ll say he was just a hater, please allow him in your kingdom since that’s what it’s all about. Forgiveness.

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            WHEN I DIE, IT WILL BE EXACTLY LIKE IT WAS BEFORE I WAS BORN. DUH!

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            YOUR ASSHOLE GOD FORGIVES MASS MURDERERS AND NOT THOSE HE IS TOO STUPID TO PROVIDE PROOF TO. WHAT A LOSER YOUR GOD IS.

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            WHILE I CAN NOT REALISTICALLY EXPECT ANY PROGRAMMED RELIGIOUS ROBOTS LIKE YOU TO ACTUALLY USE ANY COMMON SENSE AND LOGIC WHEN THEY ARE DISCUSSING THEIR OWN RELIGION, I DO KEEP HOPING TO BE SURPRISED BY THE RARE AND VERY UNUSUAL ONE WHO, FOR SOME REASON, IS MORE OPEN THEN MOST, THUS THE FOLLOWING.

            INSTEAD OF YOUR ASKING ME QUESTIONS WHICH HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THE SUBJECT, YOU SHOULD BE ASKING YOURSELF WHY7 ALL THOSE OVER 600, AND GROWING NUMBERS OF FORMERS CHRISTIAN MINISTER, JEWISH RABIES, PRIESTS, NUNS, MUSLIM IMAMS AND HINDU SADHUS, HAVE BECOME ATHEISTS?

            THEY WERE PEOPLE WHO, AS BABIES, CHILDREN AND TEENAGERS WERE NOT ONLY PROGRAMMED TO BELIEVE THEIR RELIGION WAS THE ONLY TRUE RELIGION AND THEIR GOD, OR GODS,
            THE ONLY REAL GODS, THEY THEN CONTINUE TO SELF-PROGRAM THEMSELVES BY ATTENDING RELIGIOUS INSTRUCTION IN WHAT EVER RELIGION THEY WERE. WHILE I KNOW, AND CAN PUT IN TWO SENTENCES, WHY THESE MEMBERS OF THE CLERGY PROJECT. BECAME ATHEIST, I DOUBT YOU HAVE THE SLIGHTEST IDEA.

            AFTER5R ALL, THESE PEOPLE, BY BECOMING ATHEISTS, NOT ONLY LOST INCOME, THEY LOST FRIENDS, FAMILY AND CONNECTIONS, THEY SUFFERED HATE AND DISCRIMINATION.

            AS I KNOW YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHY THEY WOULD UNDERGO THE HARDSHIPS THEY HAVE TO JOIN THE CLERGY PROJECT, I WILL EXPLAIN THE REASON TO YOU.

            THEY ARE PEOPLE WHOSE ETHICS, HONOR INTEGRITY AND MORALS WOULD NOT ALLOW THEM TO BELIEVE SOMETHING WHICH THEIR QUESTIONING HAD PROVEN TO THEM WAS NOT TRUE. IT IS CALLED “INTELLECTUAL HONESTY”

            AND IF YOU HAD ANY OF IT, YOU TOO WOULD BECOME AN ATHEIST. IF YOU DID, YOU TOO COULD DO SOMETHING THE RELIGIOUS NEVER DO BECAUSE THEY CAN NOT DO IT. IT IS THE ENJOY THE TOTAL FREEDOM OF BOTH THOUGHT AND ACTION WHICH NON-RELIGIOUS BELIEF BRINGS.

            PLEASE TELL ME CHILD, DO ACTUALLY THINK YOU ARE MORE KNOWLEDGEABLE AND/OR MORE INTELLIGENT THAN MANY OF THE FAMOUS ATHEISTS WHOSE NAMES ARE LISTED IN THE FOLLOWING TWO WEBSITES? (-IF YOU DO THINK YOU ARE MORE GENERALLY KNOWLEDGE AND/OR MORE INTELLIGENT THAN MANY TO MOST OF THOSE LISTED, YOU ARE SIMPLY DELUDING YOURSELF!-)

            Celebrity Atheist List

            http://www.celebatheists.com/

            Famous Dead Nontheists

            http://www.jmarkgilbert.com/atheists.html

            CLERGY PROJECY VIDEOS

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTme-3nz8q4&list=PL04hzwbgESdPrLQdg0i8uvezBb5qshDai

          • Eddie Anderson

            Wow, all that for one sentence? :) I guess it strikes a nerve with ya. Do you know what love is?

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            FIRST, IT WAS A WASTED ATTEMPT TO EDUCATE YOU.
            SECOND. AS I HAVE ALREADY ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION, , I SUGGEST YOU TAKE A COURSE TO IMPROVE YOUR OBVIOUSLY POOR READING COMPREHENSION SKILLS.

          • Eddie Anderson

            Thanks for assuming but I didn’t read anything you wrote. Especially when it all caps, lol.

            Thanks for trying to educate me. Ignorance is bliss and I’ll rely on God and his teachings, nobody else’s.

            As for those who need to “see” proof of God…. God is something that’s in you and something you can experience, not see. If you rely on “seeing” him you’ll feel even more empty if he does show up to where you can see him because you won’t understand what to do, lol.

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            FIRST, WHILE THE FAIR, CARING, COMPASSIONATE, KIND, JUST AND INTELLIGENT ASK WHY I USE ALL CAPS, THE TRULY INTELLIGENT SIMPLY ACCEPT MY USE OF THEM..

            SECOND, I USE “ALL CAPS” AS I AM EIGHTY-ONE (81) SO I CAN SEE WHAT I AM WRITING MUCH MORE EASILY. PLUS, WRITING REQUIRES BOTH MORE TIME AND CARE THAN READING WHAT OTHERS HAVE WRITTEN.
            THIRD, NO ONE IS FORCING ANYONE TO READ ONE WORD OF MY ALL CAPS POST.
            FORTH, AS I HAVE FOUND ALL CAPS TEND TO PISS OFF THE LESS INTELLIGENT, THE ILLOGICAL, THE IRRATIONAL AND THE POLITICALLY CORRECT, I LIKE THEM!,

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            IT STANDS TO REASON YOU ARE SO PROGRAMMED YOU HAVE NO DESIRE TO LEARN THE TRUTH. CHRISTIANS LIKE YOU ARE ONE OF THE REASONS THAT MULTI MILLIONS OF THE MORE RATIONAL, OPEN- MINDED, LOGICAL AND THE MORE INTELLIGENT CHRISTIANS ARE NOW ATHEISTS.

          • Nicholaus

            Con men have said the same thing for centuries about many things.

          • Martin G.

            So just because there are SOME shady car salesmen, does that mean you should never buy a car? Why don’t you try out Jesus (I didn’t say “religion”, I said “Jesus)? I guarantee that if you find Him, you’ll never search again, because you will know that what you’ve found is the absolute truth. He IS the “spirit of Truth”.

          • Nick

            Bad analogy, I can see the car. Believing that Jesus is a god is religion, look up the definition. I investigated your mythology and found it to offer nothing more than any other mythology. I have done my research, have you? The Judeo-Christian mythologies were copied from earlier mythologies. No divine intervention, just plagiarism. If your mythology were the truth, there would be evidence. That is how we separate truth from fantasy.

          • Martin G.

            First, the definition of religion is NOT “belief in Jesus”. You need to get a real dictionary. Second, I’m talking about REAL RESEARCH, not reading about other people’s flawed, subjective opinions and faked, unsubstantiated “science”. Real research would involve performing unbiased experiments to determine the veracity of the spiritual realm. Please consult The Scientific Method on this FIRST, then get back to me. THIS is how we separate truth from fantasy!
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKQ-OmeNfFw#t=357.285458

          • Nick

            You really are not very smart. Religion is the belief in a god or gods. That is the first line in the definition. Science deals with evidence. There is no evidence for this spiritual realm. You are ignorant enough to post Kent Hovind? You make this too easy. Read what scientists and pretty much everyone who isn’t some idiot creationist has to about Kent Hovind. Of course then you would be in danger of losing some of your hard-earned ignorance.

          • Martin G.

            Actually, Nick, I am VERY smart. Although there may not be “scientific” evidence to prove my Divine visitations were real, there is loads of evidence that miracles resulted from them in the form of many people’s lives being improved as a direct result. If it is empirical proof you seek, you may have to wait a while. When cutting-edge scientists first postulated about the existence of subtler energies such as radio waves, X-rays and microwave radiation, it took a long time until these INVISIBLE forces could be actually measured. You see, spiritual entities exist beyond the physical plane, and so cannot be detected by either the five senses or by presently available technology. But they can, and have, been detected by many people who are in tune with their dimension! Here’s one anecdote of such encounters: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMRwPyhhTXs

          • Nick

            Good things happen sometimes and bad things happen sometimes. The idea of some god is just a human coping mechanism.

          • Martin G.

            Keep telling yourself that and eventually you will believe it.

          • Nick

            No, it is religion that relies on brainwashing. Please try to keep up.

          • Martin G.

            Try to keep up with the fact that some people aren’t religious, yet they are spiritual and have spoken with Divine beings in the spirit realm. Yeah, just TRY to keep up with that. Good luck…

          • Nick

            Thanks, but I am aware that some people hear voices in their head.

          • Martin G.

            Yes, I’ve heard that some people hear voices in their heads. It doesn’t sound good; I’m sure glad it’s never happened to me. But I’m glad I’ve heard from Jesus and Angels. But you wouldn’t know about such things; they’re way beyond your intellect.

          • Nicholaus

            I stand corrected, it takes intellect to believe in virgin births and invisible super-beings.
            If no one else hears this Jesus and angel beings talking to you, how is not voices in your head?

          • Martin G.

            With regard to hearing Jesus and Angels: if you were alone and heard a sound, did you “hear it in your head”, or did you just “hear it”? Besides, they have told me things I could not have possibly known – and I later find out it’s true. What would any sensible person conclude?

          • Nicholaus

            Other people have claimed that angels and other mythical beings have told them things they did not know. This includes the men who wrote the Bible. Oddly, the Bible contains zero knowledge that the men at the time did not already know. The so-called prophesies in the Bible are just over generalized nonsense like Nostradamus. People read what they want to read. Maybe you are crazy for hearing voices, maybe you just want to hear angels so you imagine that they have. I don’t know, I do know that these so-called angels seem to just pick people at random if they are real. Even among people who believe in them.

          • Martin G.

            “The Bible contains zero knowledge that the men at the time did not already know”. Bull! I don’t know where you read this nonsense; the Bible has prophesied events that could not have been known at the time the prophecies were given, and everybody knows that but you. The Angels of God sent me to certain people and I had no idea why at the time. Over time, I was able to help these people and witnessed miraculous transformations in their lives. In retrospect, it all made sense, but at the time it was a mystery. This has happened to me countless times over decades of time, with 100% consistent results. Any true scientist would see the correlation there. The Bible has prophesied numerous events and has NEVER, EVER been wrong, and that’s because God is omniscient and omnipotent.

          • Martin G.

            The Book of Revelations prophesied about “locusts with breastplates of iron and the faces of men” which moved with the sound of “thundering chariots prepared for war”. An accurate description of the Apache Attack Helicopter, over 2000 years before they were built. How do you explain away that one?: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dN2c_uHJROQ

          • Martin G.

            The Book of Revelations prophesied about “locusts with breastplates of iron and the faces of men” which moved with the sound of “thundering chariots prepared for war”, with “tails that issued forth fire and smoke and sulphur”. An accurate description of the Apache Attack Helicopter, over 2000 years before they were built. How do you explain away that one?: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33CpuaCtWX0

          • LadyLoneStar

            Actually, religion is man-made. Belief in Jesus Christ as the Son of God IS the definition of Christian.

            The denial of God is the true delusion, a delusion that extends to the atheist’s view of humanity as “good,” all evidence to the contrary notwithstanding. A sober assessment of human beings recognizes that we lie, cheat, steal, lust, complain, envy, hate, and forget and that we are careless, ruthless, disrespectful, resentful, and loveless. We are all these things naturally from birth. This is what God means when He says, “There is no one who does good” (Psalm 14:3). We are so obviously sinful that it is silly to call human beings “good.”

            Nobody teaches children to lie; they do it naturally. Nobody teaches teenage boys to lust; they do it naturally. Nobody teaches the employee to resent his boss or spread malicious gossip about the coworker with whom he is competing for a promotion; he does these things naturally. Nobody teaches the wife to unjustly criticize her husband or the husband to neglect his wife; both do these things naturally. Yet in the sixth chapter of The God Delusion, entitled “The Roots of Morality: Why Are We Good?” Dawkins explains why human beings are good-based on nothing more than his own opinion-despite the fact that there is no God who can define what is “good.” Dawkins not only directly opposes the Bible’s teaching but he denies what is obvious to even the most casual observer of human nature and behavior.

            The ninth chapter of The God Delusion is called “Childhood, Abuse and the Escape from Religion.” In this chapter Dawkins replies to a question about clergy sexual abuse: “Horrible as sexual abuse no doubt was, the damage was arguably less than the long-term psychological damage inflicted by bringing the child up Catholic in the first place” (page 317). Human beings are good, says Dawkins, and even the sexual abuse they perpetrate is better than a religion that tells them they are not good. How he explains the desire for “good” men-priests or otherwise-to sexually abuse children is a mystery. The Bible, however, does explain it. Men do evil because their hearts are evil (Matthew 12:35), and unless men are made new creations in Christ (2 Corinthians 5:17), they will continue to do evil because it is their natural inclination (Romans 3:5-6, 10-11).

            Merriam-Webster’s online dictionary defines delusion as “something that is falsely or delusively believed or propagated; a persistent false psychotic belief regarding the self or persons or objects outside the self that is maintained despite indisputable evidence to the contrary; also, the abnormal state marked by such beliefs.” The last clause is significant: intellectual and moral delusion have permanent effects on the mind and heart. Believing lies causes the mind to begin to operate abnormally and to exist in a state that is not healthy and perhaps even dangerous, both for itself and for others. This is what the Bible calls “sin,” and a core element of our sin is our delusion that God does not exist.

            The God Delusion was written by a science professor, and it should be stated clearly here, given how often atheism presents itself under the banner of science, that science is not to blame for atheism or any other symptom of human sinfulness. In fact, many great scientists of the past were Christians, believing that God made the heavens and the earth and established the laws by which the natural world operates and which scientists investigate. Most of the “giants” of modern science were Christians. They pursued a rational understanding of the cosmos because they believed that God, who has a mind, had created the cosmos according to the principles of rational and mathematical operation that govern the human mind, which is fashioned according to the image of God (Genesis 1:27).

            Belief in God is no delusion. It is inherently and fundamentally rational, a logical response to seeing God’s handiwork (Psalm 19:1). Belief in God is the source of true wisdom regarding why human beings do evil things so often and so naturally, why we can work so hard to be good and still fail, and why Jesus Christ and only He is the spiritual hope for mankind.

          • Nicholaus

            Wow, you make this too easy.
            Your mythology teaches that there is a god, that is religion. Cheating, stealing, murder, rape are true sins. The rest of your so-called sins depend on the circumstances. Sometime people are right to complain. Envy is only a sin when it causes one to commit one of the true sins that I mentioned. Sometimes envy can be used for improving one’s life. How is that a sin? Is it a sin for me to lust after my wife? The vast majority of humans do not lie, cheat, steal, or murder. This would lead a rational person to conclude that most humans are moral. All humans may lie but lying is not the same as killing or raping someone. Furthermore, some lies are much worse than others. Lying is also very often used to spare someone’s feelings. May not be right but the motivation is good. Of course we all know that religion and rationality do not mix as you seem so desperate to prove.
            Children probably learn lying very early from watching their parents. Lust is natural and not a sin so of course that it not taught. Sorry but I am not evil. Maybe you need Bronze-Age mythology to tell you not to kill others but some of can manage just fine. Too bad the invisible sky wizard in your old book had no problem with slavery, another true sin. We might have been able to stop one of the most evil practices ever committed by man much earlier. Your Bible says that all men are evil because it is trying to sell an invisible product and claiming that it is the cure for this evil. Even though many followers of this myth have committed some of the worst crimes in history.
            I would love to hear just one rational reason how belief in your mythology does not perfectly fit the definition of delusion that you posted.
            Most scientists today are not religious. Of course most scientists from the past were religious. We did not know as much and for most of human history people did not have the freedom to not be religious.
            You see some god’s handiwork because you want to. People used to see some god’s handiwork in lightning, floods, thunder, famine, disease, good harvests, bad harvests, birth, and on and on. I also don’t remember saying that believing in some god to be irrational. The belief in any religion, like yours, is irrational. We know this because all religions, including yours, contain numerous contradictions and glaring errors. This book you believe to be inspired by some all-knowing, all-powerful god contains zero knowledge that the humans who wrote it did not know. However, your book does teach people how to sell their daughters as slaves. Believing in some god is not necessarily irrational because as always there are many things we do not know, Not knowing something is not evidence for some god though. Once again, the lack of any evidence for some god is very telling.
            The belief in some god is really just a human coping mechanism to explain why good things happen sometimes and why bad things happen sometimes. The idea for some god is also man trying to explain his own ignorance. Humans used to not know why people got sick. So they blamed some god.

          • LadyLoneStar

            You are mistaken, Nicholaus. I’m not sure where you are getting your information but someone, somewhere is trying to mislead you. Mythology has NOTHING to do with religion, and religion has NOTHING to do with believing in God. Yes, Nicholaus, God is His name, show some respect.

            I am not worthy to judge your sin, Nicholaus, only God is worthy to judge your sin because He is the only One who knows your heart. We are all born into this world as sinners. Because this world realm belongs to satan, for a short time, though. Satan is a fallen angel, cast out of Heaven because he thought he could be God…he was wrong! The only way to be redeemed of your sin is by true repentance and acceptance of Jesus Christ as God’s only Son. So, religion is man-made. Belief in Jesus Christ as the Son of God IS the definition of Christian.

            Sin is sin, Nicholaus. There is not one sin greater than another. Lust is natural, but so is sin (natural) because we are all born sinners.

            Being a Christian doesn’t make you perfect or able to never, ever sin again. But being a Christian does allow you to truly repent of your sin and receive God’s grace and mercy. You were given free choice. You are the only one who can choose where you plan to spend eternity. Heaven or hell….those are your choices. (choose wisely.)

          • Nicholaus

            Definition of religion: the belief in a god or in a group of gods

            : an organized system of beliefs, ceremonies, and rules used to worship a god or a group of gods

            : an interest, a belief, or an activity that is very important to a person or group

            Definition of mythology: 1.

            a body of myths, as that of a particular people or that relating to a particular person:

            Greek mythology.

            2.

            myths collectively.

            3.

            the science or study of myths.

            4.

            a set of stories, traditions, or beliefs associated with a particular group or the history of an event, arising naturally or deliberately fostered:

            Feel free to rationally explain how Christianity does not fit these two definitions. Please try to remember that there is zero evidence outside of the Bible that Jesus even existed. Your Bible was written by men and that is what your religion is based on. So, like all religions, it is man-made. Pretending that it is not only makes you seem even sillier. I will continue to use the proper lower-case g when referring to your god or any other. The reason it is the proper use is because humans have invented thousands of gods and all of them have the exact same amount of evidence. When there are more than one of something, it does not get capitalized.

            Only an idiot would try to claim that murder and lying are the same. That makes no sense.

            I truly hope that your Bronze-Age mythology brings you happiness, it seems you need this fairy tale to tell you not to kill people. I will continue to choose logic. Feel free to try again.

          • LadyLoneStar

            Always with half truths….Definition of Christian:

            of, relating to, or derived from Jesus Christ or His teachings

            of, pertaining to, believing in, or belonging to the religion based on the teachings of Jesus Christ

            exhibiting a spirit proper to a follower of Jesus Christ; Christlike

          • Nick

            What half truth? I only posted the definitions of religion and mythology and asked you to rationally explain how Christianity does not fit both definitions. Something you have either refused or are unable to do.

          • LadyLoneStar

            No you comment was about religion.

            Christianity isn’t “religion”. I gave you the dictionary’s definition of Christian. Christianity has nothing to do with mythology. Mythology is more along the lines of man-made up “stories” handed down. Christianity is a belief about Jesus Christ and what He came to this earth to do for us. God loves human beings, we are His creation. He gave us freewill to choose our own destiny. He longs for us to return to Him by repenting of our sins and loving Him by being obedient to His commandments.

          • Nick

            How Christianity not a religion? No one wrote about Jesus while he supposedly lived. How are the stories of Jesus not man-made stories handed down?

          • LadyLoneStar

            Again, I gave you the dictionary’s definition of Christianity. If you don’t understand that it’s because you choose not to understand and believe.

            The Bible was written over several thousand years. The writings are written “by” man’s hand but the information written down is the inspired Word of God. The accounts of Jesus were written after His death because even the Apostles didn’t fully understand that what Jesus was teaching them was real. They truly believed when they saw with their own eyes Jesus had risen from the dead. They understood and finally accepted all the teachings “after” they received the Holy Spirit (“Helper”). Because the Holy Spirit helped them to remember what Jesus taught and helped them to write it down for future generations.

            It’s the divine Trinity, God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. He is three in one. If you start searching for Jesus, sincerely searching…He will find you in a way that defies earthly understanding.

            Every human being has a soul/spirit. Without Christ, some would “fill” that void/soul (meant for God) with other things. Only the Holy Spirit can guide you through this life because this earth is going to come to an end. Eternity is forever and ever. These bodies are temporary, everyone dies.

            The question (and choice) is: where do you want to spend eternity?

          • Nicholaus

            Your mythology is based on the supposed teachings of Jesus. You believe Jesus to be some god. That is religion no matter how hard you try to spin it. Your book which Christians claim to be the inspired word of some god is full of errors and contradictions, just like every other religion. I know you want to pretend that your religion is somehow unique from other religions but it is not.
            The only person here having trouble understanding is you.

          • LadyLoneStar

            Nick, you can believe what you “choose” to believe, that doesn’t matter to me.

            But I can believe what I “choose” to believe….no matter “how you spin it”.

            So….move along. I’ve answered your questions…now answer the one question I asked….for yourself. Because it all comes down to this one simple choice.

            The question (and choice) is: where do you want to spend eternity?

          • Nicholaus

            I never said that you can not believe what you want to believe. You also never answered how Christianity is not a religion. You just posted the definition of Christianity, which included the word religion by the way.
            I will spend eternity as a cadaver because I have donated my body to science. If your mythology were real, then that means that your heaven is full of forgiven child-rapists and murderers. Your hell is just full of nonbelievers. The invisible sky wizard you call god will forgive anything according to your book of fairy tales. So even if your Bronze-Age mythology were real I would not want to spend eternity with some petty, jealous god.
            The honest truth is that no one knows what happens when we die, that includes the men who wrote your Bible. I choose to face death admitting that I don’t know what if anything happens to me after. I would much rather do that instead of pretending that some Bronze-Age fairy tale is real.

          • LadyLoneStar

            If you are having comprehension problems, here it is again, I DID answer your question about Christianity….”Christianity is a belief about Jesus Christ and what He came to this earth to do for us. God loves human beings, we are His creation. He gave us freewill to choose our own destiny. He longs for us to return to Him by repenting of our sins and loving Him by being obedient to His commandments.”

            Your “body”….isn’t “you”! Don’t you get it yet? Sigh….you are truly sad.

            Again….it’s your choice. Good luck with that.

          • Nicholaus

            Just curious, how does just posting the definition of Christianity prove that it is not a religion?
            Christianity:an organized system of beliefs, ceremonies, and rules used to worship a god or a group of gods

            : an interest, a belief, or an activity that is very important to a person or group
            Christianity is an organized system of beliefs, ceremonies, and rules used to worship some god. Pretending that it is not does not make it so. Of course we all know that mythology believers love pretending.
            My body is me, basic biology. I think it is sad that so many people refuse to use logic. Like religious people.

          • LadyLoneStar

            You’re a sad person, Nick. I wish you luck with that kind of mind set.

          • LadyLoneStar

            I didn’t ask your permission. Your “body” is NOT you, though. That’s something you can seem to understand.

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            YOU WOULD NOT KNOW WHAT THE TRUTH IS WERE IT A SHARP POINTED CACTUS RAMMED UP YOUR ASS!

          • Eddie Anderson

            interesting… that means i’d bleed and be blessed uponith the lord in heaven. :)

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            NO, ALL IT MEANS IS YOU “BELIEVE” YOU WILL AND BELIEF DOES NOT MAKE TRUTH.

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            SEE, I KNEW YOU WOULD NOT ANSWER SIMPLE QUESTIONS AS ALL YOU PRR’S ARE THE SAME.

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            As humanist communities become more popular, more Clergy Project members are being called upon to speak at them. Certainly former clergy, now non-believing, are uniquely suited for the role. They already have public speaking skills and they have a lot to say, now that Holy Scripture no longer binds them. Here is an excerpted and lightly edited talk presented at the Sunday Assembly in Berkeley, CA, April 17, 2016. – See more at: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/rationaldoubt/2016/04/3522/?utm_source=SilverpopMailing&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=rationaldoubt_042516UTC060402_daily&utm_content=&spMailingID=51231370&spUserID=MTAwMzgyNjcyMTA4S0&spJobID=903195819&spReportId=OTAzMTk1ODE5S0#sthash.kECFBwUB.dpuf

          • Eddie Anderson

            I don’t need to be educated. I just to know I’m going to heaven. :)

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            YOU CAN NOT GO TO A PLACE WHICH ONLY EXISTS IN THE MINDS OF YOU POOR DELUDED PROGRAMMED RELIGIOUS ROBOTS.

          • Nicholaus

            The Bible is not accurate on many things. Why believe the rest?

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            IT IS ALSO FULL OF COUNTERDICTIONS, CONDONS WAR, MAKES WOMAN SECOND CLASS, SUPPORTS SLAVERY AND INSTRUCTS IT’S BELIEVERS TO KILL, AND KILL, AND THEN, TO KILL SOME MORE.
            http://WWW.EVILBIBLE.COM

          • Martin G.

            Perhaps I can answer that question for you, Zay. Many years ago I was searching for the truth. I began with NO religious concepts since I had refused indoctrination when I was a child, but I simply asked God if He was real. I received a profoundly powerful spiritual vision in reply and consequently became a believer, which led me to a new career in the field of Social Work. In recent years, I have had the great fortune to have spoken directly with Jesus, and have received directives from a number of His Angels, all of which have led to immensely beneficial miracles in my life and in the lives of others. Although I have never studied Theology, I know with absolute certainty that Jesus is none other than the Son of God and that He reigns in Heaven and that His touch produces miracles. I encourage you to investigate this for yourself and I guarantee you that, if you find Jesus, you will never look anywhere else, because you too will know that HE IS GOD. Best of luck!

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            WHAT TOTAL BS. !I WILL BET YOU ARE AGAIN, LYING! YOU EITHER WERE , AS A BABY, CHILD AND AS A TEENAGER, PROGRAMMED TO AS A CHRISTIAN, OR YOU ARE NOT SANE! AS NO SANE PERSON, NOT RAISED TO BELIEVE THE BULL SHIT YOU BELIEVE, WOULD EVER BELIEVE IT.

          • Martin G.

            Neil, I believe I’ve already explained to you that I rejected religious indoctrination at the age of five. But I started experimenting with spirituality in my twenties and received communication from God which led me to the field of Social Work. Then again, in my forties Jesus spoke to me, and a number of Angels redirected my career plans again and I began to be an agent for miracles in the lives of numerous people up until this day. So again, no, I have never been one to follow religion, preferring to find out about God on my own, which I have. Yes, He is real, and I have decades of miracles to prove it to myself. If you were to ask the desperate, hopeless people I was sent to help, I’m sure you would also be persuaded to believe. It’s hard to argue against concrete results.

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            “GIVE ME A CHILD TO THE AGE OF SIX AND THEY ARE MINE EVER.” AS MULTI MILLIONS OF FORMER CHRISTIANS, INCLUDING OVER 600 FORMER CHRISTIAN MINISTERS, WOULD AGREE, IT SEEMS THEY GOT YOU BY AGE FIVE! —————————————————————————————————————————————————————OR, YOU ARE JUST PLAIN NOT SANE! THIS AS NO LOGICAL. INFORMED, RATIONAL NON PROGRAMMED SANE PERSON WOULD EVER BELIEVE ALL THE TOTAL BULLSHIT CHRISTISANS BELIEVE.

          • Martin G.

            Neil, it is abundantly apparent that you are suffering from poor reading comprehension skills. It doesn’t matter what anyone says, you continue to spout the same tired diatribe, regardless of what’s been told to you, which proves that YOU are the one who’s been brainwashed. Your mind is broken.

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            LOOK YOU POOR PROGRAMMED RELIGIOUS ROBOT,,

            WHAT IS ABUNDANTLY APPARENT IS THAT YOU ARE SO FULL OF SHIT IT MUST DRIBBLE OUT OF YOUR NOSE, EYES AND EARS AS WELL AS YOUR PITIFUL ROGRAMMED RELIGIOUS MOUTH.

            MY READING COMPREHENSIONS SKILLS ARE AS GOOD AS MY LISTENING COMPREHENSION SKILLS AND I ONCE GOT THE HIGHEST SCORE ANYONE IN THE WORLD HAD GOTTEN AT THE END OF A LISTENING COMPREHENSION SKILLS COURSE.
            AND MY LISTENING COMPREHENSION SKILLS TEST SCORE WAS TWICE AS GOOD AS THE AVERAGE SCORE GOTTEN ON THE FIRST TEST BEFORE THE COURSE WAS GIVEN, BY COLLEGE DEGREED SUPERVISORS IN A TOP 500 HIGH TECH COMPANY

            YOU ARE THE IDIOT WHO PAYS NO ATTENTION TO THE FACTS PRESENTED.

          • Martin G.

            Neil, you may have been sharp in your day, but you’ve gotten rusty. You’re sounding like a broken record and are not making much sense. Maybe it’s time to retire from the thinking game and grow tulips.

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            YO STUPID, THE ODDS OF YOU BESTING ME MENTALLY ARE ZERO!

          • Martin G.

            You may be smart but your ability to calculate odds is a bit off

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            BULL SHIT! IFR YOU WERE NOT SO RETARDED YOU WOULD KNOW IT WAS NOT I WHO CAME UP WITH THE THREE PECENT. AND IF YOU HAD A CLUE, YOU WOULD HAVE, BEFORE REPLYING, SENT IT TO OTHERS AS I DID.
            SO FAR, ASIDE FROM ME, YOU ARE THE ONLY ONE WHO
            IMMEDIATELY SAW IT. DAMN, YOU ARE VERY DENSE!

          • LadyLoneStar

            It’s because he continues to pull numbers outta his arse! LoL

          • Martin G.

            Not surprising, ’cause that’s where his brains are.

          • LadyLoneStar

            LMAO!

            On:
            http://www.mrctv.org/blog/police-dept-responds-epically-anti-religion-group-s-demand#comment-2663771558
            …have you encountered AtticusOsullivan?

            His sentences don’t even make sense, he’s trying to use “big” words…but not in logical order. OMG these people are tiring! Don’t you think? I mean, they “think” they’re being clever or intellectual or something….but they simply aren’t. (Maybe he needs to stand up and give his brain a break!) LoL

          • Martin G.

            Wow, he sure is nuts. The Bible does state that God will turn the unbeliever over to a reprobate mind. How tragic that they are so off base and yet not able to recognize it themselves. And neither will they accept correction, so they’re doomed.

          • LadyLoneStar

            They go completely off topic of the blog they are ranting on. Your and mine “favorite” Neil is a classic case of that. He started out copying and pasting his same comments twice or three times in hopes he’d land someone, anyone, he could spew his rant….oops, I mean, his screeching, out-of-control rant upon. LoL

            Seriously though, it’s sad. God loves them all and did not design the “lake of fire” for any human being. He wants all of us to spend eternity with Him in Heaven and all they can do is snub their noses at Him. Truly is sad.

          • Martin G.

            I know… they rant about “logic” and “Science”, yet their logic doesn’t line up, and their Science is unproven theories at best, and outright fraud at worst. It IS sad, because no matter how much truth you share with them, they distort it to fit their brainwashed concepts. I wish I could help, but they have already chosen their “truth” in their heart and have committed to believing in it.

          • LadyLoneStar

            You are so right. We did try, though.

            You know how when you are opening a DVD or CD and there is that one little piece of the wrapper that will not let go of your hand? That’s how some of these people are…they continue to spew their nonsense, hoping if they say it often enough that someone, somewhere will reply to them. It’s truly sad. It’s sad that they are missing out on the truth and joy that comes from a close, personal relationship with the only One that will never desert them, forsake them…or leave them. The One with pure agape love for them…even though they choose to shun His invitation.

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            MY RESULTS OF AN OTHER ON-LINE TEST I JUST TOOK
            PROVING YOU WRONG AGAIN

            You have initial perception! In most of the pictures, you noticed the big picture. You rarely noticed the deeper, hidden image that laid behind the initial picture. This reveals that you’re a quick and logical thinker who takes things at face value.
            You don’t judge a cover by it’s book, but you’re also not on the search for deeper meanings. You’re at peace with the world as it is and you’re most likely very successful in your chosen field.
            You’re a linear thinker who often thinks in words and appreciates hard facts over emotions or vague theoretical concepts. You have phenomenal analytical skills and you’re a strongly respected personality.

          • Martin G.

            Well done, Neil! The test shows that you are logical, analytical and attentive. It also says, in a subtle way, that you DON’T pick up on deeper, hidden meanings. And that’s what it takes to perceive spiritual matters. No wonder you are so fixated on what other people’s perceptions of spiritual truths are, because you don’t have any of your own.

            Well, Neil, some people DO possess spiritual abilities, such as myself. I clued into the emptiness of “religion” at the age of five. By my early twenties, I had my first experience of God, and by my early forties I had conversed with Jesus and His Angels. And ALL of my experiences have borne themselves out to be valid in the REAL WORLD.
            So perhaps it’s time you came to realize that there are realms of experience that really exist that you are not yet aware of. For example, I can detect the radiation from a cell phone when I place one near my head, whereas most people will happily cook their brains with the microwave energy because they don’t even notice it. Well, I notice it, and it HURTS LIKE HELL! That’s why I ALWAYS use a headset when I talk on the phone.
            So for a person like you who is confounded by religious concepts, may I recommend you study metaphysics, rather than religion? Because metaphysics delves into the “nuts and bolts” of religious thought, whereas today’s religions only proffer vague, nebulous platitudes that don’t really relate to the real, material world we live in. I suggest you pursue some studies on Edgar Cayce, who was an extremely gifted American visionary in the 1930s. His works are well-documented, and an entire society grew around his life’s work, which included a University, a hospital and a library in the state of Virginia.
            Best of luck in your studies, and I wish you well on your spiritual path!

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            IF YOUR READING COMPREHENSIONS SKILLS WERE NOT SO VERY POOR, YOU WOULD KNOW IT DID NOT SAY I DID NOT PICK UP ON THEM “AT ALL”. SO TRY GETTING YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR ASS!

            BY THE WAY,

            WILL THOSE WHO KNOW YOU IN PERSON AND WELL, ATTEST YOU ARE KNOWN FOR BEING AN EXTREMELY HONEST AND TRUTHFUL PERSON? MANY WILL FOR ME!

            HAVE YOU SERVED YOUR COUNTRY TO PROTECT YOU FREEDOM OF RELIGION AND THE RIGHTS OF ALL AS I DID, HONORABLY FOR TEN YEARS?

            HAVE YOU RECEIVED TOTALLY UNSOLICITED PRAISE FROM PEOPLE ALL AROUND THE WOULD FOR YOU INTELLIGENCE, GENERAL KNOWLEDGE AND USE OF LOGIC AS I HAVE?

            HAS ANYONE CALLED YOU “POCK” OR GURU” OR “BRILLIANT” AS THEY HAVE ME?

            HAVE YOU SAVED ANY LIVES AS I HAVE?

            WILL THOSE WHO KNOW YOU IN PERSON AND WELL, ATTEST YOU ARE KNOWN FOR BEING VERY CARING AND ALWAYS HELPING OTHERS AS MANY WILL SO ATTEST FOR ME?

            WILL THOSE WHO KNOW YOU IN PERSON AND WELL, ATTEST YOU ARE KNOWN FOR BEING EXTREMELY TRUTHFUL AS MANY WILL SO ATTEST FOR ME?

            WILL ANY THOSE WHO KNOW YOU IN PERSON AND WELL, ATTEST YOU ARE KNOWN FOR RISKING PHYSICAL INJURY AND EVEN DEATH TO PREVENT PHYSICAL ASSAULTS ON OTHERS AS MANY WILL SO ATTEST FOR ME?

            IN OTHER WORDS ARE YOU KNOWN AS BEING A REAL “HERO” AS I HAVE BEEN OVER TEN TIMES?

            IF THE NOT, PISS OFF AND LEAVE YOUR MORAL AND INTELLECTUAL BETTERS ALONE.

          • Martin G.

            Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes and yes. In fact, I’m still in active service. However, I’m not as arrogant and ‘full of myself’ about it as you are.

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            I FEEL SORRY FOR THOSE YOU SERVE WITH.

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            REALLY? WHAT BRANCH? WHAT MOS? WHERE BASED?

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            YOUR SAYING, FROM WHAT I SAID ABOUT SERVING IN OUR MILITARY, THAT I AM ARROGANT, PROVES YOU ARE AN IDIOT.

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            I AM PART OF THE THREE PERCENT, ARE YOU?

            http://www.ba-bamail.com/content.aspx?emailid=20427

          • Martin G.

            Holy fuck, are you kidding me? I saw it INSTANTLY. I was wondering what all the hullabaloo was about. I thought I missed something. What a joke! Yeah, and I saw the bird/bat hanging upside down, too. Whoop-dee-fucking-doo.

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            SO ASSHOLE, YOU ARE ONE OF THE THREE PERCENT. THE MORE YOU POST THE MORE OF AN IDIOT YOU PROVE YOURSELF TO BE.

          • Martin G.

            Neil, do you have mental problems? Are you on meds?

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            SAYS A PROGRAMMED RELIGIOUS ROBOT LOSER WHO,BECAUSE YOU CAN NOT BEST ME BY USING FACTS, INTELLIGENCE AND LOGIC, STOOP TO ASKING SUCH STUPID QUESTIONS.

            CHRISTIANS LIKE YOU ARE ONE OF THE REASONS THAT THERE ARE SO MANY MILLIONS OF FORMER CHRISTIANS LIKE VALARIE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oylja-1G6aQ

          • Martin G.

            I’m serious. I’m just asking because you seem to be angry, extreme in your opinions and one-sided in your viewpoint. And btw, you likely haven’t met a “Christian like me” yet: I follow Jesus, not a religion. And I’ll never have to “recover from religion” because I’ve never been religious in the first place. So I’ll ask you again: Are you on meds? Be honest.

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT
          • Martin G.

            And that was a classic example of the absolute hypocrisy of atheists: there is NO “inescapable conflict” between REAL Science and TRUE Religion. In fact, REAL Science PROVES the truth of the Bible, whereas “sham science” is based on half-baked theories and outright lies. Please consult Dr. Hovind again for confirmation of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKQ-OmeNfFw#t=357.285458

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT
          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            ATHEISTS ANGRY AT PROGRAMMED RELIGIOUS ROBOTS WHO ARE THE CAUSE OF MOST WARS AND NEARLY ALL TERRORISM? GEE, WHY WOULD ANY ONE BE ANGRY ABOUT THAT?

            ATHEISTS ANGRY AT PROGRAMMED RELIGIOUS ROBOT CHRISTIANS WHO BELIEVE IN CHILDISH MYTHS AND NON-EXISTENT GODS, WHO DO NOT USE LOGIC, DENY FACTS, WHO HAVE BEEN HOLDING BACK PROGRESS FOR OVER TWO THOUSAND YEARS, WHO LIE ABOUT ATHEISTS, OTHER RELIGIONS, AND EVEN THEMSELVES.

            WHO WILL NOT HIRE ATHEISTS OR FIRE THOSE WHO ARE ATHEISTS, WHO PASS LAWS BARRING ATHEISTS FROM HOLDING PUBLIC OFFICE, WHO DO NOT EVEN PERMIT ATHEISTS TO VOLUNTEER TO HELP OTHERS, WHO TREAT WOMAN AS SECOND CLASS, WHO PASS LAWS FORCING OTHERS TO LIVE BY THEIR RULES.

            WHO BOYCOTT OUR BUSINESSES AND VANDALIZE OUR PROPERTY, WHO WILL NOT VOTE FOR US, WHO TREAT US SO BADLY MOST WHO ARE ATHEISTS WILL NOT MAKE IT PUBLIC THEY ARE. WHO ARE, OR WOULD BE, SO SHITTY TOWARD THEIR OWN FAMILY MEMBERS IF THEY KNEW THEY WERE ATHEISTS, THE FAMILY MEMBER MUST HIDE THEIR TRUE BELIEFS,

            WHO HARASS, DISCRIMINATE AND PERSECUTE US. WHO HAVE, FOR OVER TWO THOUSAND YEARS, IMPRISONED, STARVED, BEAT, TORTURED AND MURDERED US ONLY BECAUSE WE ARE ATHEISTS.

            AND YOU ARE SO STUPID YOU ASK IF WE ARE ANGRY?

          • Martin G.

            Oh yes, Neil, I agree with you completely that many “religious” people do evil things in the name of God. Right now they are murdering hundreds and thousands of innocent people overseas in the name of God, and everyone knows it’s wrong – everyone but themselves, that is. But that should give us all the more reason to serve the TRUE God, shouldn’t it, Neil? You see, I HAVE been serving the God of Truth and consequently I have been instrumental in improving the lives of countless people as Jesus and His Angels send me to them. It’s really quite remarkable to be a servant of a REAL God who is doing SO MUCH to improve the world we live in, despite all the evil that takes place all around us. You could easily be a part of this “great commission”, too, if you wanted to. It’s much easier than you might think, unlike all those fake “religions” with their rules and regulations and dogmas. That’s why I don’t waste my time with them. I have much better things to do, thanks to Jesus!

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            YOU ARE TOO PROGRAMMED FOR ME TO WASTE MORE TIME ON.

          • Martin G.

            No, Neil, it is I who has no more time to waste on you. YOU are the one who has been “programmed”, not I. You think that playing children’s I.Q. games shows how perceptive you are, but you are SO wrong. But then, you’ll find out after you die, whether there is a God. And there is, Neil. You are about to find out. Goodbye, Neil. Good luck.

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            YO STUPID, THE DIFFEREENCE BETWEEN A PERSON BEING PROGRAMMED AND THEIR LEARNING ON YOUR OWN WAS ALREADY EXPLAINED TO YOU .

          • Martin G.

            Btw Neil, you never did answer my question: Are you on meds?
            I have my suspicions as to why you won’t answer that question.

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            YOUR QUESTION IS AN ATTEMPTED INSULT, AND LIKE YOU, STUPID!

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT
          • NEIL C. REINHARDT
          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            SAYING YOU ARE NOT RELIGIOUS SHOWS YOU ARE THE NUT! WHAT A TOTALLY STUPID COMMENT!

          • Martin G.

            Neil, please read this definition of “religion”: a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe.

            Now read this definition of “disciple”: a follower of Christ.

            Do those two sound the same to you? If so, then you need to work on your reading comprehension skills. Btw, you haven’t yet answered my question: Are you on meds?

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT
          • NEIL C. REINHARDT
          • Martin G.

            Thank you, Neil, that is an EXCELLENT VIDEO! Dr. Hovind is truly a brilliant and perceptive scientist and Bible scholar. He makes mincemeat of the hordes of sham “scientists” who promote the great hoax called The Theory of Evolution.

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            THE PROOF EVOLUTION IS TRUE IS IN OUR OWN BODIES!

            EVOLUTION IS PROVEN TO BE TRUE BY OUR CANINE TEETH, WHICH WE USE, AND WE ALSO HAVE A TAIL BONE, A THIRD EYE LID, WISDOM TEETH, TONSILS AND AN APPENDIX WHICH WE NO LONGER REALLY NEED!!

            PLUS, TODAY, THIRTY FIVE PERCENT ARE BEING BORN WITH OUT HAVING ANY WISDOM TEETH. AS SOME DAY, VERY FEW IF ANY WILL BE BORN WITH THEM. IT IS, EVOLUTION IN ACTION!

            http://www.upworthy.com/this-should-be-required-viewing-for-deniers-of-evolution?c=ufb1 )

          • LadyLoneStar

            Now you’ve done it…..you…..you…..he’s gonna start yelling at you, now! (SMH LoL)

          • Martin G.

            Haha, yeah I know. I’m expecting it. Good ol’ Neil was a hero in his time, but now he’s lapsed into a miasma of pent-up rage. He’s gonna have an aneurysm if he doesn’t take that caps lock off 😉

          • LadyLoneStar

            If you’ve been “graced” with his comments….they used to be normal….now he has morphed into a screeching, raging lunatic.

            It’s so nice that you are here….I was starting to feel outnumbered…..naw…not really, but it’s fun to read your comments. Thank you.

          • Martin G.

            Nice to have your company, too! But of course, you’re never alone when you’re standing with Jesus :-)

          • LadyLoneStar

            I hear that! And I second that. I’m not “afraid” of them. Just finished studying Revelation….already know how the “story of life” ends. It’s amazing how some people “just don’t get it”. God bless you, Martin.

          • LadyLoneStar

            You should come over to http://www.mrctv.org/blog/police-dept-responds-epically-anti-religion-group-s-demand#comment-2659714923

            ….and “enjoy” the show! Talking about “In God We Trust” on money.

          • Martin G.

            Just checked it out… woof! Paranoid, fearful atheists are afraid of the power of God. Like demons who tremble at the mention of the name of Jesus.

          • LadyLoneStar

            I knew you would nail it…just wasn’t sure you would do it in 3 powerful sentences! LoL

          • Martin G.

            I probably could have done it in two, ha ha! Expect to see much more of this atheist insanity over the coming years, as well as more Satanic terrorist activity “in the name of God”, as the world spirals into the end times. Buckle up next to Jesus, ’cause we’re in for a hell of a ride!!!

          • LadyLoneStar

            Yes sir….I just finished an in depth study of Revelation…let the good times roll, I’m ready! God is good all the time!

          • Mike Boone

            Sure, LadyLoneStar, your God is good, because in the bible HE tells the soldiers of the biblical Israel that after totally defeating another nation, the Hebrew soldiers should kill all of the men and boys they captured, kill every captured woman who “has known a man”, (meaning: wives and mothers) but that the soldiers could keep the young maidens that they had captured, for themselves. That meant that the soldiers had the right to sexually dominate the maidens, who they would literally own.

            Yeah, LadyLoneStar, you wouldn’t have been a LoneStar if you had been one of those maidens, because a soldier wouldn’t have had to leave you alone.

            Maybe, if you were raped by a soldier, after that soldier had received permission from God to dominate you, then your opinion of God’s nature wouldn’t be such a positive one.

          • LadyLoneStar

            You know what, Mike? I wasn’t talking to you.

            And in your ridiculous scenario about raping women, men who rape women are the lowest form of pond scum. They can’t be with or get a woman so they have to force one. Furthermore, moron…God doesn’t “give permission” for humans to sin but He has given His permission for evil to exist on the earth, FOR A BRIEF TIME. Humans are naturally evil. It takes a REAL man to be a God-fearing (which BTW means RESPECT AND LOVE) instead of taking the easy road by committing acts of violence against other human beings.

            So if you’re going to pretend that you’ve read any of the Bible, in context, you’ll have to do better than that drivel. Educated yourself.

          • Mike Boone

            You came close to the truth, LadyLoneStar, when you said: “It takes a REAL man to be a God-fearing”. But you would have stated a fully accurate Truth, if instead, you had said: “It actually takes a REALLY IGNORANT MAN TO BE ONE WHO IS GOD FEARING! I’ve been on this earth 65 years and have seen no more verifiable evidence that your fantasy god actually exists, than I have seen verifiable evidence that witches actually fly around on broomsticks in our world. The late, great astronomer, Carl Sagan, was far more intelligent than you or I, LadyLoneStar, and Dr Sagan’s lifelong study of the universe gave no indication to him that a spooky, all powerful, father figure, like the one that you believe in, had any part in creating, or running, the universe, or even ever existed, outside of the imaginations of ignorant and intensely fearful people. But, of course, besides fearing imaginary gods, ignorant people are always full of fears regarding aspects of our world, and the universe, that they just don’t understand. But highly intelligent scientists, like Dr Sagan, rather than being fearful because of the unknown, just have intense curiosity about how man can best move forward in finding more information that will solve more of the questions that concern what is not yet known.

          • Mike Boone

            Believing that Satan is real, is a delusion that should have been left in the dark ages where it belonged. But a belief in Satan also affected the radical Muslim terrorists who murdered almost 3,000 Americans on 9/11. How sad that both Christians and Muslims are centuries behind in believing some of the same superstitious BS.

            And remember, the terrorists flew planes into buildings due to their belief that they’d be rewarded with a bunch of virgins in paradise, which was actually one of the ultimate “Faith Based Initiatives” that the world has suffered in the last 100 years.

          • Martin G.

            Neil, if it means that much to you that you are “one of the three percent”, then perhaps it’s time to pursue deeper, more meaningful things at this stage of your life. Like spiritual things. If you need shallow I.Q. tests to bolster your ego, you might need to come out of “your world” a bit and reach out to the needy. Have you thought about volunteering? There are a lot of desperate, hurting people out there who could use a friend.

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT
          • NEIL C. REINHARDT
          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            YOU SURE SOUND LIKE A PSYCHO TO ME AS THE PHONES HAVE BEEN CAREFULLY TESTED AND NOTHING LIKE YUO DISCRIBE HAS BEEN FOUND.

          • Martin G.

            Yeah, you WOULD believe the manufacturers and government agencies which state there is no harm from cell phones. Just like you believe former religious people who now maintain there is no God. Go ahead, cook your useless brain with MICROWAVE RADIATION. You won’t miss it…

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            OPPS, NOT “POCK” IT SHOULD BE, “SPOCK”

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            THIS COMMENT HAS NOT BEEN MADE TO THIS PERSON
            As humanist communities become more popular, more Clergy Project members are being called upon to speak at them. Certainly former clergy, now non-believing, are uniquely suited for the role. They already have public speaking skills and they have a lot to say, now that Holy Scripture no longer binds them. Here is an excerpted and lightly edited talk presented at the Sunday Assembly in Berkeley, CA, April 17, 2016. – See more at: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/rationaldoubt/2016/04/3522/?utm_source=SilverpopMailing&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=rationaldoubt_042516UTC060402_daily&utm_content=&spMailingID=51231370&spUserID=MTAwMzgyNjcyMTA4S0&spJobID=903195819&spReportId=OTAzMTk1ODE5S0#sthash.kECFBwUB.dpuf

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            RESULTS OF THIS TEST
            http://www.ba-bamail.com/content.aspx?emailid=19963

            Your dominant brain function is imagination! You’re frontal right brain is the most dominant part of your brain. According to psychologist this makes you a naturally speculative, fantasy-focused, and imaginative person. You’re never stuck in the past and you’re always looking forward to the future.
            You’re goal oriented, driven and a natural visualizer. You’re optimist, outgoing and very expressive. You become easily bored and you need constant excitement and stimulation. You’re at you’re happiest when you’re creating. Your dominant function of imagination makes you an incredibly fascinating and inspirational person!
            Your dominant brain function is imagination!
            You’re frontal right brain is the most dominant part of your brain. According to psychologist this makes you a naturally speculative, fantasy-focused, and imaginative person. You’re never stuck in the past and you’re always looking forward to the future. You’re goal oriented, driven and a natural visualizer. You’re optimist, outgoing and very expressive. You become easily bored and you need constant excitement and stimulation. You’re at you’re happiest when you’re creating. Your dominant function of imagination makes you an incredibly fascinating and inspirational person!
            SO PISS OFF! YOU PROGRAMMED RELIGIOUS ROBOT!

          • Mike Boone

            Martin, the next time you have a conversation with Jesus why don’t you ask him something useful like when will his 2nd Coming finally occur? Christians of every generation have been expecting that fabled 2nd Coming for 2 thousand years.

            And you speak of miracles, Martin, but you should really ask Jesus why it is that when helpless women, or little children, are being tortured and raped, and are literally crying out prayers for Jesus, or his father, to help them, no miracles ever seem to materialize to help the victims in these awful situations. Maybe you should ask Jesus that when he sees that such obscene outrages are being visited upon helpless people, instead of coming to the aid of these victims, does Jesus possibly just enjoy sitting there, up in heaven, calmly playing with himself, as he and Daddy both get their kicks watching the horror unfold. Sorry that my impatience with ridiculous claims that God and Jesus supposedly bless humans with such a bounty of wonderful miracles has now caused me to sound so negative as a fresh New Year is almost upon us. But Martin, since very few Christians have ever had a conversation with Jesus, I’d even bet that at least 80 to 90% of Christians would believe that your account of your communication with Jesus is nothing more than a figment of your imagination. After all, there are devout Muslims, for example, who are absolutely certain that Allah personally speaks with them.

            And Martin, with more than 7 billion people in the world, wouldn’t you agree that it’s pretty damned inefficient for Jesus to speak with 1 guy like you, when obviously, if they actually exist, Jesus and his father would have the ability to break into every form of mass communication used by man and present their message simultaneously on every cell phone, TV station, radio station, military radio communication, public address loudspeaker system, movie theater sound system, Ipod, home audio system, etc., in order that all of the world’s population could become able to realize exactly which God would actually be the true one, and just what he expects of man.

            Certainly Martin, if an all-powerful, all-knowing God actually cared about us he would want to make sure that we all know exactly who he is so that mankind would not constantly continue having wars, as well as terrorist attacks, in which people continually kill others for having a different understanding of God than their own. This crap has gone on for thousands of years, and by now, a truly loving God should have put a stop to all of this slaughter being done in his name. How could a God who routinely allows people to use their own type of belief in a God as their justification for killing others, ever actually possess any true decency when he is never even bothered enough by the murder of the innocent to make sure that mankind gets beyond such crude and pointless behavior?

            Anyway, before I continue with any more rambling, Martin, let me just wish you, and yours, a Happy, and Safe, New Year.

          • Martin G.

            Hmm, yes Mike, I hear you on that one. You see, the reason that women are raped and children are killed and wars are waged, is because FAR too many people such as YOU are sitting on the fence and are unwilling to serve the God who guarantees to save those who call on His name. Jesus weeps over EVERY innocent child who is murdered, and He has made an ENORMOUS effort to reach mankind by way of His death on the cross, but humanity is so deluded in their ignorance that they cannot even appreciate the epic lengths He has gone to, to win them over to Himself. Well, His efforts have not eluded me, Mike. I have responded to His every call, and at every turn I find myself guiding the lost, helping the needy, and saving the damned. When I read news stories of murderers who took the lives of innocents, I cry out “Why was I not there?” I would have fearlessly defended them, but instead there was a crowd of dumb cows watching who refused to even make a call on their precious iPhones. And that is because those people care only about themselves, their families, and their own property. Because they have not signed up to serve the Living God, they stand by impotently as heinous crimes are committed. Well that’s not me, Mike. Unfortunately, there is only ONE of me, and I am doing all I can to defeat the enemy, Satan, who governs the movie industry, the entertainment industry, and the media, as well as many arms of the government. I walk alone with Jesus as He sees horrible crimes taking place, only because far too few people want to serve Him. “The harvest is plenty, but the laborers are few” says the Scripture (Matt. 9:37). If you are not one of His laborers, Mike, then you are guilty of the very injustices you mentioned. And what do you suppose will be your reward at the end of your life, Mike? Great adulation… or severe judgment? I have my guess. And I have good reason to suspect that you will fall into the latter category, because rather than having given up your life to serve the King of Glory as I have and be a part of the greatest effort to save the innocents, you have chosen rather to troll the internet and criticize the very servants of the Living God you criticize. You will have to answer for your actions when this Earthly life is over, Mike. And what will you give as an excuse before the throne of the Almighty? There will be NO excuse, Mike. None at all. I hope to God that you ponder these things as we enter this brand New Year, 2017. May you come to your senses, rather than continue on your dead path of trolling and criticizing those who have given up every Earthly pleasure in order to serve the Eternal God. Think deeply on this, Mike.

          • Mike Boone

            Hi Martin. Let us hope that the New Year that we will all embark upon tomorrow will be a valuable time which helps to engender a thoughtful and understanding approach in humans as we deal with each other in our day to day lives.

            However, Martin you just typed this very disturbing statement: “You see, the reason that women are raped and children are killed and wars are waged, is because FAR too many people such as YOU are sitting on the fence and are unwilling to serve the God who guarantees to save those who call on His name. Jesus weeps over EVERY innocent child who is murdered, and He has made an ENORMOUS effort to reach mankind by way of His death on the cross, but humanity is so deluded in their ignorance that they cannot even appreciate the epic lengths He has gone to, to win them over to Himself.”

            What you accomplished with that statement, Martin, is to merely make an excuse for God’s failure to help people who are being raped, for example, by bringing up the inaction of people who you describe as “sitting on the fence” and being “unwilling to serve the God who guarantees to save those who call on His name.”

            But the people sitting on the fence, as you expressed it, have nothing to do with the people who are suffering at the hands of the rapists. You are literally saying that God allows rape victims to suffer because he is unhappy, or angry with, an entirely different set of imperfect people who don’t respect God enough to serve him, but who also have no connection with the other people who are being victimized.

            Well Martin, if that’s how your supposedly wonderful God operates, using the people who won’t serve him as His excuse to avoid aiding helpless folks who are literally begging for His help, then you have just given a perfectly vivid description of a God who is worthy of no one’s respect, and whom no reasonable or intelligent human being should ever want to serve.

            Your statement, Martin, amounts to exactly the same type of thing as a police unit coming upon a bank where a robbery is taking place and hostages are being held. But instead of the 2 cops from that patrol car trying to help put an end to that crime, they say to each other that because some other people living on the other side of town have no respect for police, then, as police officers they should not get involved in trying to end the crime that is taking place at the bank.

            Martin, you should do yourself a favor and go on U-tube and play some of its large collection of videos that feature talks by a brilliant scientist named Sam Harris. Mr Harris is never mean, but always displays a positive, mild tempered manner, even as he analyses the most absurd nonsense spouted by God believers, and exposes every flaw in the thinking of such people.

            And to be quite blunt and honest with you, Martin, Mr Harris, if shown your statement that I have just critiqued, could certainly use it as a good example of how a person’s belief in God can make his thinking descend down to the level of the most illogical nonsense.

            You seem like a fairly decent person Martin, so it’s such a shame that you see nothing wrong with God, or Jesus, refusing to help a child or a woman being raped, simply because God is supposedly displeased with some people who have absolutely nothing to do with the poor folks who are being sexually attacked.

            And you think that you believe in a just God, if he allows people to suffer for the lack of devotion to him that’s being exhibited by totally different people who aren’t being attacked by criminals?

            Martin, I really hope that you can start understanding that what you seem to regard as God’s justified action, (or rather, His inaction) is the sort of justice which would be thrown right out of any decent court of law for being totally ridiculous nonsense that would insult the intelligence of any judge. In fact, any decent judge would probably charge a lawyer with contempt of the court if the lawyer started wasting the court’s time with the illogical and nonsensical argument that innocent people should be allowed to suffer because of the actions of folks whom they have never even met. Really Martin, could you please stop acting stupid?

            Martin, I am honestly at a loss in trying to figure out where people, such as yourself, could possibly get the kind of BS statement that I have taken apart and discredited today. Actually, for all I know, you might have just pulled that nonsense out of your hind end.

            But after seeing your latest type of thinking today, Martin, I have to honestly hope that you are never entrusted with the duty of serving as a juror on a very serious criminal case. Because your totally illogical way of considering things gives me no confidence at all that you would be likely to arrive at a judgment that makes any sense.

            Yes, you may be a very good guy Martin, but your present way of thinking sure isn’t good, or even, the least bit sensible.

            But still, I hope that you, your family, and your friends, will all enjoy a very Happy, very Safe, New Year. And who knows, there’s always hope that you may actually start making sense in the New Year, because what you have written recently is the kind of stuff that just serves to push people away from having a belief in God, and certainly makes a lot of reasonable folks think that you believe in a God who isn’t worthy of the least bit of respect. I’m sorry that my standards are so high that they require that if a God really existed, he would have to be a genuine force for good, which doesn’t describe the God, or the Jesus, that you claim to believe in, Martin.

            Well, I have to now start getting cleaned up, in order to go pick up our friend, Barb, who suffers from a severe case of bi-polar disorder, and is going to have dinner with us, and spend New Year’s Eve at our house.

            Take care there, Martin, and enjoy seeing our New Year arrive.

          • Martin G.

            Yes, I understand your inability to fathom what I have told you. Let me explain: when an individual chooses to serve Jesus, his hidden spiritual gifts become activated and he becomes able to help others in a way that no human agency is able to. While you were taking your Bi-polar friend out for dinner, I was helping a Bi-polar friend to overcome her illness apart from the use of medications. Recently I helped a young man turn his life around for the better by using a combination of cognitive therapy and spiritual counseling, after doctors and psychiatrists had utterly failed to treat him effectively for depression and suicide attempts. So when people like you choose to “help” others in their own way, using very limited human understanding rather than God’s omniscient intelligence, they fall short of offering all the help they could. There are countless anecdotes on YouTube about people who were guided by the Holy Spirit to intervene at a crucial time in order to save a life, or a soul. Until you thoroughly investigate this phenomenon, you will never be able to understand why I claimed that people like you are the reason God is unable to save people in need. It’s because you have the audacity to believe that your intelligence is greater than God’s. And so millions of people suffer needlessly because of people like you who are unwilling to serve Jesus.

          • Mike Boone

            Martin, I would never deny that good Christian people, as well as good atheists, often operate selflessly in doing good for other people. But the fact remains that even according to The Barna Group, an evangelical Christian polling firm, American atheists are less prone to committing crime than American believers are. (The U.S. Bureau of Prisons also has reported that only .21% of inmates list themselves as atheists, though 6 to 9% of the overall U.S. population now self identifies that way. So with only about a fifth of 1% of inmates being atheists, this means that atheists either just tend to be very good people, or else, they are extremely good at getting away with crimes, compared to believers.)

            Anyhow, Martin, The Barna Group conducts large surveys about changing social trends in America, and furnishes the information it gains from its studies to Christian ministries to help those ministries with their outreaches to people.

            At the beginning of July 2013, The Barna Group reported the results of a landmark study, it had just completed, that indicated that atheists not only commit crimes at substantially lower rates than believers do, but also that the marriages of Baptists, on average, last the shortest length of time of any major group of Americans, while marriages of atheists are tied with those of Catholics and Lutherans, in lasting the longest amount of time, on average, among major groups of Americans.

            It’s really quite something that even an Evangelical Christian organization like The Barna Group, has to admit that atheists in America are not only less likely to be criminals than bible believing Baptists are, but also, on average, have longer lasting marriages than Baptists do.

            Strange that even though American Baptist couples think that they got married in the sight of God, and have their own prayers, as well as those of all of their friends and family, to support and strengthen them, The Barna Group still found that America’s Baptists tend to have the shortest lived marriages of any major American group. That sure doesn’t say much for prayer’s positive effects, does it? Looks like God must be sleeping on the job!

          • Martin G.

            I suppose it has completely escaped your notice that you are engaging in the most fundamental form of prejudice. Can you imagine if I told you that, because many Blacks commit violent crimes, that ALL Blacks cannot be trusted? Well, that is exactly what you are saying: because many so-called Christians get it wrong, then God must be asleep. Your logic is at the level of a pre-schooler. Get back to me after you’ve raised your standards significantly.

          • Mike Boone

            Come on Martin, you can do better than that. Your analogy would only make sense if I had said that all Christians can’t be trusted after I DID SAY that the crime rate exhibited by Christians IS HIGHER THAN IT IS AMONG ATHEISTS.

            But Martin, I DID NOT SAY in that post and HAVE NEVER SAID that all Christians can’t be trusted. In fact, I have pointed out before on this site (and elsewhere) that I’ve known (and know right now) many Christians who are very good people.

            So I’m somewhat sad to say Martin that your response to my post of the other day absolutely proves that if one of us has the logical approach of a pre-schooler, that one is you.

            And BTW, though I’m ashamed that sheer laziness accounts for why I never graduated from Kent State University, my proudest moment at Kent, back in the 1970s, was when I scored a perfect 100 on the 3 hour final exam on Logic 101. I wrote a correct answer for each of the 100 situations presented to students where we were confronted with a problem that had to be solved by providing a thoroughly logical solution to it. And though my laziness had precluded me from ever reading the textbook (I partied, instead), I knew from my interactions in class discussions, that while many questions presented difficulty for my fellow students, my way of thinking always led me to a very logical answer that the Professor could find no fault with.

          • Martin G.

            That’s very nice, Mike. I’m glad you’re figuring it all out. Good luck with that, I hope you have a nice life.

          • Mike Boone

            Thank you Martin, my wife and I are now having really nice lives, which include us regularly spending time with our 8 month old grandson, Weston, who lives only 3 miles away from us. But unfortunately, it’s obvious that the lives of many Americans are ending prematurely, and quite tragically, in the states of America that have high rates of church attendance.

            Sometime in 2016 I happened to see a chart published which listed the level of church going frequency for people in America’s 50 states. (I had seen such a list before that) And like I had done previously, out of sheer curiosity, I compared that list with the murder rates for our 50 states.

            To any religious person, what I discovered, should come as quite a shock. Almost without exception, it turns out that the higher the level of church going that the people of a state exhibit, the higher its murder rate turns out to be.

            For example, 58% of the people of Louisiana state that they attend church regularly, but only 24% of the people of New Hampshire make the same statement. Now many Christians might assume that the higher level of religious devotion in Louisiana might result in a lower murder rate than that seen in New Hampshire, but just the opposite is true, in very strong measure.

            The 2014 murder rate for Louisiana was 10.3 murders for each 100,000 people of its population, while only 0.9 murders occurred in New Hampshire for each 100,000 people of its population. So in spite of the fact that Louisianans are almost 2 and a half times as likely to be regular church goers as New Hampshire’s people are, on average, Louisiana’s people are more than 11 times as likely to commit murder than the people of New Hampshire are.

            It is just fascinating (and stunning) to compare the 2 lists of states and see that states like New Hampshire that exhibit the lowest levels of religious devotion, as indicated by church attendance, also have much lower levels of murder than states of the bible belt such as Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, and Georgia. Places like Vermont and Hawaii, for example, have populations that generally give very little deference to god and religious belief, and yet they join with states like New Hampshire in having very low murder rates.

            As I mentioned another time, Thomas Paine sure seems to have been right when he wrote that where one finds a lot of people who think that their sins can be forgiven you should expect to see sin in abundance.

            So Martin, do you really believe your God could be an all knowing being of ultra intelligence when the world you say he created has as one of its realities that people who believe in him are more likely to commit murder (and other crimes, as well) than non-believers are.

            And BTW, I read a good article that discussed research about the various conditions that exist in the world’s nations. One extremely clear conclusion of that research is that the countries that have the higher levels of religious devotion also have much higher levels of violence, crime, teen pregnancies, and incidences of V.D. than nations where people give the idea of a god very little respect.

            So Martin, I certainly have to say that if your God were to be real, then he obviously screwed up with his plan for our world since a major result of that plan has been that those who believe in him are more likely to be violent, and become criminals, than folks like me who realize the that the very concept of an all knowing god is nonsense that generally finds its greatest popularity among poorly educated, ignorant people. And poor levels of educational achievement are what you find in places like Louisiana and Mississippi, as well as countries of the world that have both high levels of religious devotion, as well as high rates of crime, teen pregnancy and STD. And I neglected to mention earlier that the states of the bible belt, like Louisiana, Mississippi, and Alabama are also at the top in terms of teen pregnancy and STD rates.

            Now Martin, do you really think your God deserves a pat on the back for designing a world and a population in which the people who believe in him are more likely to commit crimes and spread sexually transmitted diseases than folks who dismiss the god idea entirely?

            Not that you will ever allow yourself to admit it, Martin, but since plans are designed with the purpose of yielding good results, your god, if he were to really exist, certainly came up with one very stupid plan. And what would make that imaginary plan of god’s, that you believe in, truly pathetic is that a god would have had all of the time in the universe to come up with his idiotic blue print for people who would believe in him.

            It looks like our country and the world will only have a chance to achieve large improvements when a much greater proportion of the earth’s population discards this ignorant god nonsense.

            At least then we won’t have people flying planes into buildings because they believe god will reward them for that with an after death existence in paradise.

          • Martin G.

            Mike, people like you are what we call the “natural” man: due to your unbridled sex drive which overpowers your weak, unenlightened mind, a woman comes along and takes over your life, you pump out a litter of brats, then get old and wait to die. You have no concept of what awaits you on the other side, indeed, you are entirely unaware that there even IS another life after this one. As you struggle with lofty concepts such as the afterlife, you console your puny intellect with random, meaningless statistics such as crime rates in “religious” states. Desperate to maintain your illusion that this earthly life is all there is, you take comfort in watching your progeny developing, leaving them to figure out the mysteries of life that you failed to penetrate in your time on earth. People like you are “good” people, but you are painfully shallow and mundane, like farm animals: useful, but dull. Some of us, however, aspire to greater heights. Many do not achieve it, but at least they have tried, and that counts for something. Some, like me, have penetrated the spirit realm and have met and spoken with the God who created all life, and thus we serve HIS purposes rather than our own. Sadly though, many people choose the natural life and live as creatures of the earth, never divining the higher purpose of life, only to pass from this world as just another “animal”. That just wouldn’t cut it for me. But I’m happy for you, Mike. Enjoy your family, but please, don’t ever try to talk to anyone about “spiritual” things, because you wouldn’t know them even if they whacked you over the head. Cheers.

          • Mike Boone

            Martin, it’s sad how much you seem to be losing contact with reality. I don’t know where you ever got the weird idea that I have an “unbridled sex drive”. And when it comes to having an unenlightened mind anyone who believes that an ultra-intelligent creator of the universe would have anything to do with a human blood sacrifice which is characteristic of crude and primitive peoples is a person who is a perfect living example of what it means to be unenlightened. How unbelievable that a being with the power to do anything would need to see the torture of his own innocent son to be able to grant forgiveness to those that seek it, when such a god would obviously have the power to forgive without a blood sacrifice. That’s why, at its very core, the Christian religion is hideously stupid.

            Also, anyone who believes that people suffer forever in Hell, merely for not believing the correct religion, not only suffers from being severely unenlightened but also must be saddled with some sadistic impulses himself if he truly believes that his god could allow such a horror to go on and still be a good being that we should have any respect for.
            When I was a child I went to church with my Aunt, who was a Lutheran at the time. But 4 years ago, when my Aunt was 97, I was never prouder of her when she answered me after I had asked her if she expected to see and be reunited with Uncle Ted, her husband, after she dies. My Aunt’s answer was “Of course not, Michael, because I’ll be dead.” And they say that old people usually get more scared and religious when they near the end of life. I’m so grateful that my Aunt did just the opposite, and right to the end, said she had no fear of what could follow dying because she believed there’s no conscious existence after death.

            Martin, your beliefs about the afterlife were only dreamed up by people in biblical times who thought the sun and all the other “heavenly bodies” revolved around our world as is claimed in the bible. And the people who wrote the bible also believed the stars were very small because a bible prophecy predicts that someday the stars will fall down on the earth like raindrops which is quite impossible since the stars are thousands of times bigger than the earth. So much for your book of myths and legends being an accurate source of truth. But at least that accounts for why you are so full of ridiculous crap.

          • Martin G.

            Thank you, Mike. You could not have confirmed any better my assertion that you are as thick-headed and unenlightened as the average farm animal. Your completely unfounded superstitious belief that there is no afterlife goes against every religion, every legend, every tradition, every experience and every scientific and logical principle that has been revealed in eons of human existence. People like you rail against the mountains of evidence against their belief that there is no God, even though the proof stares them right in the face. Your type clings desperately to scientific shams and hoaxes like the non-existent “missing link”, and search feverishly for poor examples of religious believers the same way that crackheads desperately pick at innocuous white flecks on the sidewalk, hoping for another hit. Your estimation of me could not have been further from the truth. My life is literally filled with miraculous achievements of changing the lives of countless people for the better as I walk with the most amazing God of the Universe, as His life-giving Spirit exudes through me. You, on the other hand, live in darkness, fear and superstition, morbidly afraid of the big Universe “out there” and of what it may contain, so you cling neurotically to your shallow, materialistic notions of life, comforting yourself with the lie that there is no life after this one. Thankfully, your grandchild will break free from his neurotic family tradition of ignorance and will discover the truth that God is alive and well and is still expressing Himself through millions and millions of those who know Him. And your dark traditions of ignorance will die an ignominious death, never to be seen again, and forgotten over time just as shallow marks in the sand are washed away by the incessant tides.

          • Mike Boone

            Firstly, Martin, the belief in an afterlife is the superstitious one because it is always accompanied by believing in a supernatural being, or god. But the world’s greatest scientific thinkers, such as Stephen Hawking, point out that no evidence exists for a heaven or a hell, and that the Big Bang that began the universe did not require a creator.

            Also, the idea of a hell and a heaven is likely to have begun with ancient tribal chieftains, thousands of years before Christ, and even long before Abraham and Moses. These tribal chiefs needed an idea so scary that it might keep their people in line, so they made up the idea of a place that disobedient people would exist in after death which would be like them being thrown into an eternal campfire. But of course, good people, who obeyed their chiefs, were told that they would go to the happy hunting grounds of a paradise, after death.

            So Martin, the idea of an afterlife was first presented to ignorant savages who were fearful enough, and superstitious enough, to believe it. But my 97 year old Aunt (who actually died at 101, at the end of last June) told me at that age, that as a scientific thinker who demanded evidence for her conclusions, she did not expect to be reunited with her beloved husband after death because the concept of heaven was basically a fairy tale designed to comfort superstitious people who are like children who are afraid of the dark. And Albert Einstein, who’s usually called the greatest thinker of the 20th Century obviously shared my Aunt’s point of view because he said that “most of the bible is nothing more than childish superstition”.

            It’s sad that your thinking is exactly backwards Martin, because scientists from Einstein, to Hawking, to the late, great astronomer, Carl Sagan all stated that not a shred of evidence exists for the existence of a heaven or a hell, so that it really requires a superstitious mind set to believe in such things, because such beliefs have no scientific merit.

            Frankly, Martin, I find it stunning that even someone like you would make the mistake of labeling scientific conclusions that are based on actual evidence, or on finding a total lack of evidence for a belief, to be what you would define as superstition when that’s exactly the opposite of what they are. After Carl Sagan died, his wife, Ann Druyan, who is a highly successful person in her own right, said that sadly, she and Carl both realized that they would never see each other after death because the universe gives no indication that human consciousness can survive after the brain turns to dust. We know that people’s personalities can change greatly, with some angry natured people, for example, having become more calm after losing a part of their brains in accidents. And no one says that they lost part of their souls. But what this means is that your personality, and everything that you are as a person, depends on your physical brain. So as people like Einstein and Mr and Mrs Sagan would say, when your brain no longer exists, it’s totally over for you. However, most people just love to believe in the superstition of an afterlife because they aren’t brave enough to just face the truth of that wise saying that states that all good things must eventually come to and end.

            Even our sun, and the other stars that we can see, will all burn out eventually, billions of years from now, so how ridiculous it is that Christians think that they will still be up in heaven singing hymns, long after the stars have been extinguished.

            Actually, one week of singing hymns would put me out of my ever loving mind, much less billions of years of singing the praises of a crude and cruel god who wouldn’t even deserve the praise.

          • Martin G.

            Mike, you must either like my company, or you are just a bit slow to pick up on things. Do you know what a pineal gland is, Mike? It’s a sensory organ which is embedded deeply in the brain. Most people’s pineal glands are dormant, and likely calcified due to lack of use. Some people, however, have discovered the functions of this organ as the “antenna” which picks up subtle energies, such as spiritual entities. Although I rejected all forms of religion from my early childhood, I have communicated many times with “the people” who live in the invisible, spirit realm. They are all around us, and they are here to help us develop our moral integrity and to guide us in assisting others. I have personally been guided by Angels to help many people and have been instrumental in revolutionizing their spiritual development in short order, unlike the medical/psychiatric industry which feeds them toxic drugs which desensitize them with no significant improvement over time, and at great cost to society. The path I am following is the old, tried and true way that has worked since the beginning of time. Modern medicinal practitioners are but fledgling newcomers to the scene, and are barbaric butchers compared to spiritual healers like Jesus. I don’t follow a religion, Mike. I’m doing it the way it’s supposed to be done. I can’t speak for the millions of well-intentioned folks who have made bad religions out of what was meant to be a beautiful spiritual path, but I give them credit for at least trying. You sound like a decent, upstanding citizen, and I’m sure you’re a wonderful husband and father, but when it comes to theorizing about the afterlife and the spirit realm, you should leave that to the pros. Blowhard “scientists” like Sagan have nothing to offer, but exemplify the old saying, “If you can’t dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit”. Poor old Carl was likely heavily medicated, as belied by his ponderous speech and hypnotic gaze, and he bounced from marriage to marriage due to his narcissistic ego urges. His contribution to the world of science was about as meaningful as Britney Spears’ contribution to the world of music! If you want to uncover the truth, Mike, you’ll have to read the writings of true intellectuals, men whose minds are enlightened, not narcotized like Sagan’s. You haven’t quite scratched the surface yet, but there’s still time. Perhaps your grandkids will assist in teaching you the true meaning of life.

          • Mike Boone

            Martin, I appreciate encountering this very interesting entry from you as I’m starting my day’s after breakfast activities. Your point about the brain and certain people seeming to have the ability to employ it to receive spiritual messages is well expressed. However it is also very controversial among scientists who study what occurs in the brain when it is stimulated in various ways.

            For instance, researchers have found that a bit of electrical current applied to a certain area of the human brain will make the person whose brain is undergoing that stimulation feel exactly like he is having a very intense spiritual experience, and make him feel very sure that he is literally feeling the presence of god.

            Martin, I’m sure that you’ll know what I’m referring to when I speak of that little voice, that might be called a person’s conscience, which most of us hear from time to time, such as in cases where it tells a person that he should tear himself away from something unimportant that he’s doing, and go visit that sick relative of his that was recently admitted to the hospital.

            There are brain researchers who state that sometimes a person’s brain will improperly route signal impulses which results in that little voice of conscience, which is actually contained within a person’s brain, to seem exactly to that person like it is coming from outside of him. At such a time, a person can very easily be convinced that such a thought or message is coming to him from the spirit world, or even from god himself.

            The above is one reason that I’m extremely skeptical that people who think god speaks to them are actually aware of what’s really happening to them. Another reason I’m skeptical about messages from god, or “the spirits”, is because of examples like Pat Robertson reporting in the 1980s that god told him that before that decade was over there was going to be a nuclear war. Seems to me that if Robertson’s god was actually a real one, then HIS prophecy would have also have turned out to be real.

            And I used to work with a very nice Christian woman, at a phone center, where we worked side by side, doing fundraising on the phone for organizations as varied as Mothers Against Drunk Driving, World Wildlife Fund, The National Republican Congressional Committee, Jerry Falwell, The Christian Coalition, The Liberty Counsel, and the NRA.

            Anyway, the woman, Barb, who was 46 years old, when we became co-workers, was very religious. And on at least a half dozen occasions she told me how thrilled she was because she had become filled with the holy spirit during her 10 or 11 mile drive to work. But then one day she missed work (She had worked there for 9 years before I transferred to that phone center) because she had stood on the healing line at Rev. Ernest Angley’s huge church, and she had thought that Reverend Angley’s ministrations had relieved her of the need to take her medication. So shortly after that, Barb turned up in the city of Akron, Ohio, 3 or 4 miles from her apartment, randomly knocking on people’s doors, while having no idea where she was.

            Since Barb’s very unfortunate experience, I’ve never been much impressed with people’s beliefs in holy spirit experiences, nor with their “cures” from having the hands of faith healers laid on them.

          • Mike Boone

            Martin, I forgot to mention in my earlier reply to this post that your characterization of a woman pumping out a “litter of brats” is not only dehumanizing by describing women as if they are dogs, but also indicates a hatred of women on your part. I’d have a great deal of pity for any woman unfortunate enough to be partnered with you. But I doubt that you have a woman, which would explain your anger and snap judgments toward guys like me who are fortunate enough to have partners of the more feminine sex.

          • Martin G.

            Mike, you really are desperate to find some flaw in my character, aren’t you? Because I don’t fit into your neat, little package of the “ignorant, Southern fundamentalist”, you don’t know what to do with me. FYI, I love and cherish women, and treat them with dignity, respect, consideration and even charm. And, I might add, they LOVE me right back! I have no shortage of interested females in my life, however I keep my amorous emotions in reserve, unlike heathen “breeders” such as yourself. I was very fortunate to have been called by the Lord to serve Him, and so I have been spared the dreary, uninspired life of the human incubator. Instead, I have a thriving ministry in which I enlighten people to the existence of the greater, spiritual realm of the Almighty. It’s truly an amazing calling to have, as I get to witness countless individuals open their minds and hearts to the realm of the miraculous and the Divine. But don’t worry about me, you just keep doing your job of keeping the retailers in business with your big-screen TV and video game purchases, as well as diapers, toddler clothes and baby buggies. At least it keeps you off the streets at night.

          • Mike Boone

            Well Martin, though my Dad and favorite Aunt were from Charlotte, North Carolina, I am glad that you are not an “ignorant, Southern fundamentalist”, since those people are the Americans whose ignorance causes them to be the ones who most frequently reject modern, fact based, scientific ideas, like evolution.

          • Martin G.

            Mike, although I find you candid and friendly, you are really becoming tiresome. While microevolution is an obvious fact, there is still, after more than fifty years, not a single shred of proof of macroevolution. Of the millions of discovered fossils, not even ONE is of a “transitional species”. I would love to explain this to you, and the myriad of other subjects which are the object of much consternation to the unlearned, but alas, I only have so much time, and life is calling me in other directions. Let me just say that if you really want to find the truth, you can find it. You may, however, have to search a bit further afield than asking your Aunt for her opinion, hahaha! And btw, I have had PLENTY of lively “experiences” with a series of quite beautiful girlfriends before I decided to go celibate, so no, you’re imagination about me as being not quite a real man is off the mark, much as is your theorizing about the existence of God. You sound like a good old fellow, Mike, but I’m out of time, so why not peruse a higher education with all your free time? You would discover an entire Universe of fascinating information beyond the confines of your Aunt’s neighborhood. Cheers, old boy!

          • Mike Boone

            Hi Martin: In the interests of my now remembering the great importance of maintaining a friendly attitude toward others, I want to dispense with any further put downs or insults as I pose a couple of very honest questions, that trouble me, and which I hope, that you, as well as other Christian people here, might care to address.

            As you know, the Hindu people of India have a pretty good reputation for generally being a gentle and kind people. In fact, in times of famine, the people of Indian villages won’t even slaughter cows to give them something to eat because their religious beliefs maintain that the cow is a sacred animal.

            So Martin, my question is, do you believe that even a very selfless Hindu, who spent his life devoted to helping others, will, after he dies, go to Hell simply because he had stayed committed to the beliefs that his parents and village had raised him to respect and follow, instead of having abandoned those beliefs to adopt what Christian people see as being true?

            Now assuming that most devout bible believing Christians would answer yes to that question, I want to know, Martin, how your god could be a loving one, if he created the one billion plus Hindus that we see in the world today, while knowing, even before any of them were given life, that they would be a billion of his children who will just end up doomed to suffer forever, after they die, simply because they honored their parents by maintaining and respecting the beliefs that those parents taught them to be true.

            I honestly have to tell you Martin, that if being a Christian requires having to accept that folks, such as the Hindu people, whose beliefs existed thousands of years before Christ, and even before Abraham and Moses, are a doomed people just for holding beliefs that are alien to Christians, then I myself am destined to NEVER accept a Christian faith that includes what I can only define as an extremely cruel notion that is worse than anything that Hindus believe in.

            You take care Martin, and have a peaceful day. But I do hope that you’ll spend at least some small part of it pondering what I said here this morning. Because although I’ve known, and still know, a number of devout Christians who come off as nice people, what I’ve said should make it pretty clear why I’m quite troubled by what the beliefs of these folks finally add up to.

            Again, you have a great Thursday.

          • Martin G.

            Yes, Mike, even though I have stated several times that I am spiritual, rather than religious, you just HAVE to know what my personal thoughts are on this. The answer is yes, and no. There is good reason I am not a theologian: because words can really mess things up. I prefer to deal with realities. Yes, the Bible does say certain things, but it also says “The letter kills, but the Spirit gives life”. That is my philosophy. For example, when I meet a Buddhist, I treat him as a spiritual brother and am happy for him that he is pursuing a spiritual path. However – if a Buddhist tries to tell me that Jesus and Buddha are just the same, I am quick to correct them, because I know from personal experience that NO ONE is like Jesus; He IS GOD. And this is important, because we are commissioned to employ the Holy Spirit in our service to God. Consequently, when I am directed by Angels to help a man who suffers from mental health issues and suicidal urges, I am able to help him turn his life around completely in a short period of time, whereas you, in your narcissistic sense of compassion, would only buy him a dinner. Do you see where I’m going with this? Although it is not my place to judge whether someone will go to Hell, I do have the authority to tell the WHOLE truth, and that includes the fact that we should ALL seek to serve the Living God, and His name is Jesus. By the same token, I have been called upon to minister to countless Bible-thumping “Christians” who are the very epitome of hypocrisy, and I am compelled to treat them with dogged patience as I endeavor to persuade them to actually WALK their talk, rather than just spout off verses at every opportunity. So I agree with you that a great many “believers” have it all wrong, sadly. HOWEVER – that in itself is NO excuse for anyone else to choose to ignore this amazing God who made the ultimate sacrifice in order to set us free from judgment. All we need to do is accept His death as payment for our sins. What is so hard about that, unless you are so filled with pride and self-righteousness that you feel it is beneath you? Well, there is a reason that pride is one of the seven “deadly” sins, because it can kill you. So now I have given you something to think about, Mike. Why haven’t YOU accepted Jesus as your Savior? Ten million hypocrites have not stopped me from having an amazing, life-enriching relationship with the Living God Himself. What’s stopping you?

          • Mike Boone

            Hi Martin, strange things are happening with the Celebrity Tune site. I got a message in my gmail inbox from Disqus, the other day, and when I clicked on it, I saw a message from you that I wanted to respond to. But every time I click on the blue reply box under your post, instead of that taking me to where your post is in the “46 Celebrities Who Are Atheists” discussion, it takes me to that discussion on Celebrity Tune, but NOT to your post.

            I simply cannot find your message among the other posts in Celebrity Tune’s 46 atheist celebrities discussion, no matter how much scrolling I do. And it seems that almost all of your previous posts that you contributed to the “46 Celebrities” debate, suddenly can’t be found either.

            Martin, do you have any idea of what’s going on here. Of course, as you have probably noticed yourself, clicking on the option that supposed to arrange the posts of the 46 atheist celebrities discussion from the newest ones back to the oldest, sure doesn’t accomplish that. Me thinks something’s amiss on Celebrity Tune.

            Anyhow Martin, I’ll now copy and paste that post of yours, that I wanted to respond to, from that Disqus notification in my gmail inbox. Here goes:

            “Yes, Mike, even though I have stated several times that I am spiritual, rather than religious, you just HAVE to know what my personal thoughts are on this. The answer is yes, and no. There is good reason I am not a theologian: because words can really mess things up. I prefer to deal with realities. Yes, the Bible does say certain things, but it also says “The letter kills, but the Spirit gives life”. That is my philosophy. For example, when I meet a Buddhist, I treat him as a spiritual brother and am happy for him that he is pursuing a spiritual path. However – if a Buddhist tries to tell me that Jesus and Buddha are just the same, I am quick to correct them, because I know from personal experience that NO ONE is like Jesus; He IS GOD. And this is important, because we are co mmissioned to employ the Holy Spirit in our service to God. Consequently, when I am directed by Angels to help a man who suffers from mental health issues and suicidal urges, I am able to help him turn his life around completely in a short period of time, whereas you, in your narcissistic sense of compassion, would only buy him a dinner. Do you see where I’m going with this? Although it is not my place to judge whether someone will go to Hell, I do have the authority to tell the WHOLE truth, and that includes the fact that we should ALL seek to serve the Living God, and His name is Jesus. By the same token, I have been called upon to minister to countless Bible-thumping “Christians” who are the very epitome of hypocrisy, and I am compelled to treat them with dogged patience as I endeavor to persuade them to actually WALK their talk, rather than just spout off verses at every opportunity. So I agree with you that a great many “believers” have it all wrong, sadly. HOWEVER – that in it self is NO excuse for anyone else to choose to ignore this amazing God who made the ultimate sacrifice in order to set us free from judgment. All we need to do is accept His death as payment for our sins. What is so hard about that, unless you are so filled with pride and self-righteousness that you feel it is beneath you? Well, there is a reason that pride is one of the seven “deadly” sins, because it can kill you. So now I have given you something to think about, Mike. Why haven’t YOU accepted Jesus as your Savior? Ten million hypocrites have not stopped me from having an amazing, life-enriching relationship with the Living God Himself. What’s stopping you?
            7:44 p.m., Thursday Feb. 16 | Other comments by Martin G.

            Reply to Martin G.

            Martin G.’s comment is in reply to Mike Boone:

            Well Martin, that’s your post that I’d appreciate being able to discuss.

            In your quite interesting message, Martin you talk about you having the authority to tell the WHOLE truth, with that including the fact that we should ALL seek to serve the Living God, and His name is Jesus.

            But would you not agree, Martin, that if the Living God actually wants ALL people to serve HIM, then HE needs to make sure that all of his children are fully aware that he actually is ALIVE?

            Around 1980 I saw an interesting edition of the Dick Cavett discussionshow that PBS was presenting, at that time. As his guest, Mr Cavett had the philosophy professor who taught him at Yale. The professor who was at least in his 70s, was Jewish, by heritage, but a non-believer in God. The old man stated that he had been on a search for God his entire life, and had not found him. He went on further to say that in view of the many people in the bible who claimed to have personally spoken with, and even be directed by, God, then the professor could not imagine why such a God would basically ignore a person like him who was filled with such a longing to find God, or at least, be able to know that a Living God actually exists.

            Martin, do you have any answer that could explain why the the greatest, most colossal being of the universe, would want to conceal his very existence so thoroughly that a highly intelligent man, like that professor, who thirsted for any sign from God, would then become an atheist, because he had never gotten any clear indication from God of HIS existence?

            I’m sorry Martin, but if a God colossal enough to create the entire universe actually existed I think that the reality of such a being would be as obvious to everyone as is the noon sun on a cloudless day. An actual God sure couldn’t expect things of us, while simultaneously giving us good reason to believe that he isn’t even there.

            The late astronomer, Carl Sagan spent his life studying the universe and never saw any sign that one supremely intelligent being had any connection with running the universe. So, just like that Yale philosophy professor, Sagan and his wife were firm non-believers in the God theory.

            Anyway if Saul/Paul could be knocked down and have his miraculous conversion on the road to Damascus, although the bible does contradict itself on the details of Saul’s supposed encounter with the Divine, it would certainly seem that the Lord could be much more generous in presenting a far greater number of non-believers with life changing miracles.

            Now Martin, maybe someday I’ll experience a conversion of my own when God speaks to me in a voice so powerful that it knocks our high def flat screens off the walls, and causes the leaves to fall from our trees.

            But, it looks like there’s a one in a billion chance that I’ll ever experience something like that, or any good sign of God’s existence, since I’ve already been around for 65 years while witnessing a total lack of miracles.

            However, if God would really be there, he certainly knows where I live, and that I would be all ears any time that he might care enough about me to allow the 2 of us to have a little chat.

            You take care there, Martin. And have yourself a terrific weekend.

          • Martin G.

            Mike, it’s nice to hear from you again. I hope you have taken my sarcastic comments in stride, as I say them with tongue in cheek humor. Besides, you are a very agreeable sort of guy, and I have enjoyed our banter. With regard to your question as to the reason God doesn’t reveal Himself to all who seek Him, I can only surmise. You see, I was invited to join a spiritually-oriented church many years ago, at the same time as a good acquaintance of mine. His reasons for joining the church were purely ego-driven, whereas mine were purely altruistic. I reasoned that, if there were indeed a God, then surely, since He gave me life, then I should return the favor and use my life to serve and bring honor to Him. And that is exactly what I have done. Not perfectly, but essentially. Jesus chose to reveal Himself personally to me, and in response I have served Him diligently and have given up many earthly pleasures and privileges to do so. I have heard of many individuals who do the same, but in truth, I haven’t met too many in person. So perhaps I am in the minority. I have met far too many churchgoing “pew-warmers” who attend in order to BE served, rather than to serve, and big talkers who haven’t even dreamed of “walking the walk”. In the Bible, Jesus said of the Pharisees that they followed all the petty religious rules and yet their ultimate motive for worshiping God was wrong. So I believe motive may be a key element in God’s decision to reveal Himself to man. Consider how a very wealthy and influential businessman would be approached by a great many people, and yet most would only want something FROM him, whereas fewer would want to offer their services to him in order to further his beneficial ventures. That’s how I view God, as someone who is building a Kingdom that is far greater in scope than my petty, vain little Universe, and so I should offer what little I have in comparison, in order to serve His more lofty interests. Now as for you, you already have some lifetime commitments that you cannot abandon, and yet God is easily able to take those into account, should you choose to serve Him. You would be incredibly surprised at what far-reaching things God is able to accomplish with our meager offerings. Indeed, isn’t that what the miracle of the loaves and fishes symbolized? That a small, yet sincere offering can be multiplied by God so far as to feed thousands! And I have seen this in my own walk. Yes, Mike, you would be very surprised to learn how incredibly unselfish, loving, compassionate and kind Jesus is, and I know this because I have met and spoken with Him. He understands us completely, and takes us exactly where we are at, and works with us from that point, not expecting us to raise ourselves up to His level. That is what His life was all about, God humbling Himself to our level by coming to Earth and feeling what we feel. He is truly awesome, Mike and I do hope you will meet Him someday. But remember that your underlying motive may be the key to hearing from Him. Cheers and God bless, I hope you have a great weekend as well.

          • Mike Boone

            Martin, I feel quite sad for you, because all your talk of “unbridled sex drives”, people being “breeders”, and your being spared the life of a “human incubator” really indicates that you have too much shame and guilt regarding sex to ever have a satisfying and healthy sexual relationship with a woman.

            But wait a minute, just this moment, your statement about being relieved that you were “spared the dreary, uninspired life of the human incubator”, has now caused me to be wondering if you have just been posing as a man, during all of your time on this forum, because only a woman who can become pregnant, and bear a child, could actually ever become a “human incubator”.

            I think that you finally slipped up, and gave yourself away Martin. Or is it actually Martine, or Martina?

          • Mike Boone

            Hi Martin: I’m now using one of your 8 day old posts to respond to because I just spent more than an hour scrolling through posts on Celebrity Tune trying to find the post that you wrote that Disqus sent to my gmail inbox at 5:38 AM Sunday.

            Martin that post of yours begins with you saying that you hoped I wasn’t put off by your sarcasm, and that you do it tongue in cheek.

            But when I click on the blue reply box that Disqus provides under your post, while that takes me to Celebrity Tune and the 46 Celebrity atheists discussion, try as I might, I just can’t find a trace of your post. And an hour of scrolling (actually about 80 minutes) and quickly reading the names of posters, gets kind of tedious.

            Do you know what’s up with this, Martin? Anyway, it’s late, but here’s a brief sort of response to you.

            Most of America’s top scientists, and eminent foreign scientists, such as Stephen Hawking, do not believe in a god that has any personal relationship with humans. And those that do believe it’s possible that a single supreme being great enough to have created the entire universe, could exist, certainly don’t believe that same supreme being would then be petty enough to create little creatures like us, just so that this being would be able to judge the creatures he made, as well as have them constantly praise and worship their maker. Such a being wouldn’t be supreme at all, but would merely be a vengeful and insecure tyrant.

            And Martin, consider the fact that such a god judging people like us for our sins would only be happening because he creates his children with the built in defect of not being able to totally avoid committing any possible wrong during their entire lives. In other words, a god, as our creator, would be deliberately turning out humans, who, in effect, are defective products, because our design does not allow even the best, and most unselfish of us, to live perfect, sin free lives.
            And since, as I imagine you would agree, the only living being that could possibly live a perfect, sin free life, would be a living god, humans, in asking for forgiveness, would actually be asking for forgiveness from God, for not being gods themselves.
            But remember, Martin, if he so chose, God could have created us all as being perfect, and sin free, and then we would all be gods. Making us imperfect, would be God’s choice, if he were real, Not Our Choice, because we had no say, before we were born, in how we would be created.

            So, Martin, I confess to having that “horrible defect” of not being a god myself, and that I never will be one. But if an actual God is present who finds that this fact offends HIM, then he should just remember that HE HAS NO ONE TO BLAME BUT HIMSELF FOR ME FALLING SHORT OF PERFECTION.

            Take care, Martin, and have a great new week.

          • Mike Boone

            Martin, how can your religious belief have possibly warped you so much that you honestly think that unbelievers, like myself, are to be blamed for the the God you worship, if he exists, doing nothing when HE sees some poor child, or woman, being raped and tortured in the woods, and HE even hears their cried out prayers and pleas for HIS help, but HE still won’t get involved, and stop the horror. (Wonderful being, isn’t HE?! Makes some people wonder if HE actually ever heard of the Good Samaritan.)

            Martin, as much as you may offer help to those like that person who is Bi-Polar, which is terrific, you are still one sad creature because of your tendency to shift blame and responsibility to those who have no connection with the atrocities that take place in this world.

            Sir, you are a genuine, and painfully vivid, living example of why freethinkers know that so many of today’s devout Christians just aren’t capable of thinking in a logical or reasonable manner when they are asked to consider many issues that are barely above a 7th grade level of discourse.

            But there’s always hope for improvement, and I sure hope that your head clears, some day, Martin.

            Martin, you have yourself a good, safe, February weekend there.

          • Nicholaus

            You have it backwards as well. Believers begin with the assumption that there is some invisible sky wizard. Nonbelievers just ask for evidence.

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            GEORGE CARLIN’S RELIGION PUT DOWN

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8r-e2NDSTuE

            BELOW IS THE TEXT OF WHAT HE SAID

            http://www.rense.com/general69/obj.htm

          • Mike Boone

            Neil, I just love Carlin’s riff on the “Invisible Man” that most of the world’s people have been conned into accepting as real. When that performance by the late, great, Mr Carlin, was originally shown on HBO I made sure to make several copies of it, to keep for posterity.
            Of course, Carlin gave that performance well before 9/11.

            But the terrorist idiots who hijacked those planes on Sept. 11th 2001 certainly proved that no Christian, or believer in any other kind of god or religion, could ever show more faith in their own version of god being true, than those radical Muslim morons who committed suicide to accomplish mass murder. Because no one could be any more sure that his own understanding of god is the correct one than a person who so motivated by his beliefs that he’s willing to instantly die by smashing a plane into a building.

            I really think that Bill Maher probably managed to say it best when he stated that the vicious mass murder of 9/11 was actually “A Faith Based Initiative”.

            Anyhow, whenever some Christians in my local area tell me that the great amount of faith that they possess must mean that their beliefs about god have to be the only true ones, I always put things into perspective by pointing out that no one can prove that he has more faith in the truth of his beliefs than a radical Muslim who gladly ends his physical life on earth because he has such a strong faith that his actions will result in him being richly rewarded with an afterlife in Paradise. And yet, my Christian friends do agree with me, that, in spite of holding such an intensely strong faith concerning Allah and Paradise, the Radical Muslim murderers on 9/11, were still full of shit. But, they were no more full of shit than the Christians in the Middle Ages who tortured Jews to try to force them into becoming Christians. That was just another tragic case of people believing that their god was inspiring them to commit some sick acts.

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            I REALLY LIKE HIM A WELL. THANK YOU FOR SHARING IT.

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT
          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            IS THIS GUY MY TWIN?

            PAT CONDELL, A BRITISH AGNOSTIC ATHEIST ACTIVIST AND I THINK SO MUCH ALIKE IT BOGGLES MY MIND. IT SEEMS AS IF WE SOMEHOW HAD THE SAME PARENTS GENES, EDUCATION, EXPERIENCES, USE OF LOGIC AND COMMON SENSE,

            We Want The Truth – We want Trump

            Thanks to Pat Condell

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHLcrfhwPtc

            also on https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElucFAcqz-A

          • Mike Boone

            People who can’t stand public officials lying to them should absolutely hate Donald Trump. During her campaign for President, 7 statements made by Mrs Clinton earned her the dubious distinction of being “awarded” the 4 Pinocchio rating, which denotes a totally false statement which contains no true information. But though his campaign was actually 2 months shorter than Clinton’s, because Donald launched his bid for President in June of 2015, while Hillary launched hers in April of 2015, Mr Trump still managed to greatly out distance Mrs Clinton in the lying department. 59 different statements made by Trump during his campaign earned 4 Pinocchios, to Clinton’s total of 7. So Mr Trump told the most egregious type of lies more than 8 times as often as Clinton did. And most of Clinton’s 7 big lies concerned her email situation, while Trump’s 59 big lies concerned about every single issue that one could name.
            One classic example of a huge, and just downright evil, lie that Trump told, was his claim that while watching TV on 9/11, Donald saw news coverage that showed “thousands and thousands of American Muslims” in Jersey City, New Jersey “celebrating as the World Trade Center Towers collapsed.” Jersey City is just across the river from Manhattan, where Fox News has its home base. If Trump’s lie about those thousands of American Muslims had been the truth, we can be sure that Fox, which has never been accused of being pro-Muslim, would not only have broadcast Trump’s imaginary news footage every day for weeks, but discussions on Fox, and on other news outlets, would have revealed a public that would have been about as angry over such celebrating, as it was over the terrorist attacks themselves.

            It is just astounding that Trump had the nerve to tell such a huge lie about 9/11, when he should have known how easy it is to disprove it.
            An elderly woman who lost people from the Jewish side of her family in the holocaust, during the 1940’s, reminded me that Trump’s divisive, and sick, lie about American Muslims is exactly like the lies that the Nazis told about German Jews. And the lady pointed out that Hitler and the Nazis promised the German people that if the reins of government were turned over to them, then they would “Make Germany Great Again”, while complaining that Germany’s leaders, before the Nazi takeover, were stupid and weak, and were letting other countries take advantage of the German people. Sounds familiar doesn’t it? Since Trump’s rhetoric, along with his pitting Americans who belong to the majority against other Americans who belong to minority groups, both bear such strong similarities to what Germany’s Nazi party promoted, it’s not surprising that Donald Trump is often called a fascist.

            And Trump’s claim that a judge born in Indiana was not likely to treat him fairly because of having a Mexican heritage, would have also been a welcome type of statement among Germany’s Nazis, who, like Donald, were good at pitting the large majority of the German people against the small minorities of the German population. It’s sure no wonder that the members of America’s Neo-Nazi groups are Trump fans, and that the official newspaper of the Ku Klux Klan endorsed Mr Trump.

            And, BTW, that character on that video had it wrong in saying that Trump is so popular. The latest polling gives Donald Trump a 43% approval rating among the American people, while President Obama’s approval rating is 10 to 11 points higher than Trump’s.
            And the fact remains that the final vote totals show that over 2.8 million more Americans voted for Mrs Clinton than voted for Mr Trump. So Trump’s claim that he won an election landslide is as phony as his fraudulent Trump University was. And Mr Trump only got the votes of 26% of the voting age population of our country. So basically, only about 1 out of 4 Americans who were old enough to vote, cared enough for Trump to make sure that they got registered to vote, and then actually voted for the man. But that lying scumbag calls that a landslide.

            That brings up another Donald J Trump lie. During the campaign Trump said that he would never go for an out of court settlement with those who were suing him for fraud concerning his now defunct university, because Donald said that when a person is in the right he makes those suing him fight it out in court. But recently, Mr Trump authorized the payment of $25 million to settle the lawsuit brought against him by the state of New York, which was representing victims of Trump’s scam. I guess, if we go by Mr Trump’s own words, then obviously, Donald must not have been in the right regarding how he allowed his so-called university to operate. But, fortunately for Trump, his $25 million payment bought him the ability to avoid ever having to admit that he was a shyster in how he had his phony university operate, or committed any wrongdoing at all.

            Now who is really stupid enough to honestly believe that Trump was just an innocent man in that university case, but then, simply decided to fork over $25 million to the plaintiffs, merely due to the sheer goodness of his heart?

            Well, actually, Donald Trump does seem to think that his supporters are that stupid. After all, it was Mr Trump himself, who famously said: “I could stand in the middle of 5th avenue and shoot someone, and I wouldn’t lose any voters.” That was truly a statement made by a man who was indicating that he considers his supporters to be such unthinking zombies that they would continue to line up behind him no matter how extreme he gets. And the scary thing is that Mr Trump seems to have been proven to having been largely correct in making his blunt appraisal of those who follow him.

            In defending himself while various lawsuits were being lodged against him, Trump actually recommended that people visit a website where ten thousand different people supposedly had written their own testimonials that stated how they had been well satisfied by their experience with Trump University. But there was a problem with that Trump claim, because documents in court showed that no more than seven thousand five hundred people ever signed up for Trump University. So there we had Trump making an absolutely fraudulent claim to defend the fraudulent business that got him into trouble.

            And on top of that, for one of the key positions in the new President’s administration, Mr Trump chose General Michael Flynn, a man who is so unethical, that late in the Presidential campaign, Flynn tweeted the outrageous, and totally bogus claim, that Hillary Clinton was involved in a child sex ring. I guess that the old saying regarding “birds of a feather” really is true, as exemplified by 2 frauds, like Trump and Flynn, sticking together.

            And lately, Trump has been lying about what he claims is the very high murder rate in today’s United States, in spite of the fact that criminologists know that the number of murders committed annually in our country has been dropping for decades. That’s a fact that anyone can verify for himself in less than 2 minutes of using Google to look up crime stats. For example, in 1991, the 3rd year of President George H. W. Bush’s Presidency, there were 24,700 murders committed in the U.S. But in 2011, the 3rd year of Barack Obama’s Presidency, 14,661 murders were committed in the U.S. But, in 2015, the latest year for which murder totals are available, there was a modest uptick in murders, with the total being 15,696. But when Ronald Reagan was President in the 1980s, the U.S. had a much smaller population than it has today, and yet, in 6 of the 8 years that Reagan was President, total murders committed exceeded 20,000 in each of those 6 years, although, to be perfectly accurate, President Reagan was only still in office during the first 20 days of 1989, which was the 6th of the years he was in office in which murders for the year exceeded 20,000. The 3 worst years for murder in the U.S. while Reagan was President, were 1981, when 22,520 murders were committed in the U.S., 1982, when 21,010 murders took place, and 1988, when 20,680 murders occurred in our country.

            But Mr Trump is now going around saying that the murder rate in the U.S. is the highest it has been in 45 years, which simply, is a huge lie that is as blatant as the nonsense that Mr Trump made up about American Muslims supposedly celebrating the destruction of 9/11. Of course, as is often the case, Trump’s lie about America supposedly now experiencing a record high murder rate, is believed by many Americans who are not well informed. But one occasion comes to mind, when Donald Trump certainly seemed to be telling the truth. After one of his victories in the GOP primaries, a reporter told Mr Trump that “low education voters” were a major factor in giving Donald that win. So Trump’s televised reply to that journalist was “I love low education voters”. And I’m sure that Trump is a big fan of those people, especially considering the fact that as you go up the educational scale, support for Trump among widely read, highly informed people, really drops as educational achievement climbs. College graduates are less likely to support Donald Trump than those with just a high school education. And people with more advanced degrees, like PHDs, are even less likely to be Trump supporters than folks who simply have a 4 year college diploma.

            And, as for those who voted for Mr Trump, after hearing many attendees of his huge stadium rallies being interviewed, I got the honest impression that an awful lot of Trump’s supporters would consider it to be a truly intense level of reading if they actually managed to read the owners manuals for their pickup trucks, from cover to cover.

            But I do agree with the point that the man in the video made about the importance of not allowing political correctness to have us worrying about hurt feelings when American Muslims, or anyone else, need to be called out for exhibiting behavior or attitudes that threaten the security that all of us, as Americans, should be entitled to. But in too many instances, while discussing many different subjects, Donald Trump avoids political correctness by simply lying about so many issues. Because lying does not fit the definition of any type of correctness, political, or otherwise.

            And Trump’s constant lying can actually endanger our security, because, for example, the people of Muslim communities in America are less likely to report suspicious activity that could indicate a potential for terrorism, if the leader of their country is in the habit of making up lies about American Muslims, like he did with his ridiculous, but vicious, claim about Muslims celebrating the 9/11 attacks in Jersey City.

            As Republican newspaper columnist David Brooks has written, Donald Trump may well be the most dishonest person to have run for high political office in our lifetimes. And since Mr Brooks is 55 years old, he is including disgraced former President Richard Nixon among those that Trump probably exceeds in dishonesty.

            And the way that Trump routinely conducts himself, casually spouting the most outrageous lies spoken by any person who has run for President in the last half century plus, I personally think that Donald Trump’s low grade behavior stands a good chance of causing him to suffer the same fate as Richard Nixon. But it will be Republicans, not Democrats, leading the charge if an effort is ever mounted to impeach Mr Trump. Because Rick Perry, when he dropped out of the GOP Presidential primary contest, dared to speak the truth about Donald, before Perry was later forced to change his tune upon realizing that angering the major chunk of the GOP that supports Trump would doom his chances of winning any future political contest that Perry might enter. But when Governor Perry first exited the Presidential race he went out of his way to state, quite adamantly, that “Trump is a cancer on conservatism that must be removed.” It’s strange how a politician’s political ambitions can even cause him to become a fan of cancer.

            Anyway, Donald Trump is very likely to wear out his welcome with many of the Republicans in Washington, in the near future, because he wants to promote initiatives that go directly against Republican and conservative principles, such as putting large tariffs on the goods of American companies that move jobs out of the country. Almost all Republicans believe that Free Enterprise should be just that, meaning that American companies should be free of any government interference that involves Washington politicians telling business owners how they should run their companies. And with the word tariff just being another name for a tax, that’s the last thing that Republicans in the House, where all new taxes must originate, will ever be willing to put on American corporations.

            But, as usual, Trump knew that he was lying when he told workers during his campaign that a President Trump will be able to use high tariffs to punish companies that move American jobs out of the U.S.

            And, as time goes on, Mr Trump will be losing the support of many of those who voted for him, when, for example, steel workers, whose plants closed years ago, start to realize that President Trump simply lacks the ability to bring their jobs back to America, the way he promised he would, during his campaign.

            And if Mr Trump even loses just 1 or 2 percent of the people who voted for him he cannot be reelected because very few people who voted for Mrs Clinton would ever vote for Trump’s reelection, because these people already feel that the Democrats were cheated out of the Presidency since Hillary got over 2.8 million more votes than Trump did, but Donald still got the win.

            Oh well, as a liberal Democrat it’s sure going to be fun to witness Trump causing the Republicans in Congress to have absolute fits. Donald will constantly be blaming Republicans, not Democrats, for the many campaign promises that he will not be able to fulfill.

            It’s going to be a fascinating 4 years, if President-Elect Scumbag even manages to last that long in the White House.

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            It;ss just astounding that Trump had the nerve to tell such a huge lie about 9/11, when he should have known how easy it is to disprove it.

            WHAT LIE?

            MUSLIMS WERE CELEBRATING!

          • Mike Boone

            Neil, I’m assuming that you’re putting me on in asking “WHAT LIE?”
            Donald Trump stated that he was watching TV on 9/11 and saw news coverage which showed “thousands and thousands of American Muslims celebrating in Jersey City as the World Trade Center collapsed. No news organization has found any such footage of Muslims, or of anyone else, in Jersey City celebrating the destruction by the terrorists, on that awful day. And in case some conspiracy theorists might believe some news outlets are keeping such footage under wraps, due to political correctness, I’ll now destroy that idea. Because countless Americans, (as in millions of Americans) including yours truly, started their VCRs and Tivos recording the news coverage of the 9/11 attacks while the twin towers of the World Trade Center were still burning. If what Donald Trump claimed to have seen on TV was actually televised it is virtually guaranteed that thousands of Americans would still have some videocassettes that contain the scene that a lying scumbag known as Donald J Trump claims that he saw. My late brother worked with people at Goldman-Sachs in NewYork, who lived in Jersey City. And the thing is no one in Jersey City seems to remember even hearing that such an outrage took place in their city on 9/11.
            By the way, Neil, I’m sure you would agree that right winger Ted Cruz and left winger Bernie Sanders are polar opposites, politically. Usually the only kinds of things that such politically opposing people would agree on would be really obvious, basic stuff such as shapely women and warm days at the beach both being positive things. But both Cruz and Sanders, on separate occasions, made the exact same comment to describe Donald Trump. They both said that Trump is a pathological liar.

            Now a pathological liar is even compelled to tell lies that can be easily and quickly disproved, because he (or she) just can’t help himself. And that is a very precise description of Donald Trump.

            One Sunday morning during the campaign Donald Trump was interviewed on ABC’s This Week by George Stephanopoulos. That interview took place a few weeks before the 1st of the 3 debates between Trump and Clinton. I watched that interview and heard Donald Trump state, in a very definite way that the NFL had sent Trump a letter in which an official with the National Football League complained to Mr Trump that a couple of the scheduled debates would be on the same time as some NFL games and would seriously damage the NFL’s TV ratings by reducing the viewership for the games.

            Well, Neil, within a few hours of Mr Trump talking about the supposed letter that he said the NFL had sent him, the NFL’s top spokesman stated in no uncertain terms that the NFL had not sent any such letter to Mr Trump. Furthermore, since it was the Commission On Presidential Debates that had all authority over debate scheduling, with Trump having no such authority, if the NFL was going to issue a letter of complaint regarding the air times for the debates, Trump would not be the one that the NFL would address such a complaint to.

            What I’m basically saying Neil, is that Mr Trump really seems to suffer from some mental or emotional problem. As retired Republican U.S. Senator Gordon Humphrey said this past summer “Donald Trump says and does so many things that no normal person would even think of doing.”

            And I find the reality that Trump will be the one person in our government to possess the sole ability to launch nuclear weapons to be one very chilling reality, indeed. I saw an interview with the head of the U.S. Strategic Command who would be the person that would receive the President’s order to launch a nuclear strike. This military man said that the system does not allow for time to debate such a Presidential order because we are now in a time when submarines off America’s shore can launch missiles that can hit targets within the U.S.mainland within a few minutes. So this commander went on to say that if a situation or crisis did not seem to be at a point that warranted America launching a nuclear strike but a President ordered such an attack anyway, the commander of our strategic forces said that he could just quickly advise the President against taking such an action but if the President still insisted on going ahead with a nuclear strike, as a military man he would fully comply with his Commander-in Chiefs order.
            All I can say, Neil, is that if America gets into a tense crisis with a country like Red China or Russia, the world may need a lot of luck to get through the crisis safely with Mr Trump as the helmsman who has the ultimate control in directing America’s nuclear forces.

            During the 13 day Cuban Missile Crisis of October 1962, President Kennedy was under great pressure from his top military people who were telling Kennedy that he needed to bomb the missile launch sites on Cuba because they were about to become operational. But Kennedy kept a cool head and took a course that avoided bombing Cuba which involved his blockade of Soviet ships that were trying to deliver more missiles to Cuba.

            After the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1990 documents in the Kremlin that had been secret for decades came to light which revealed a decision that the Soviet Union’s leadership had reached during the Cuban Missile Crisis. Soviet leaders had decided that if President Kennedy had our military bomb Cuba, an ally of the Soviet Union, then the Soviets would launch their long range ICBMs, that were based inside the Soviet Union, and those missiles would hit targets on the U.S. mainland.

            We have all heard Donald Trump saying a well known line of his “I’ll bomb the hell out of them.” And that’s literally what some of JFK’s top military people were saying to their Commander-in -Chief, that he’d better strike the missile installations on Cuba before those installations would be able to launch attacks against the continental United States.

            Anyway, I’ll always believe that if Trump had been President in 1962, instead of John Kennedy, then tens of millions of Americans would have probably been killed.

          • Mike Boone

            If you’re claiming that American Muslims were celebrating the vicious mass murders committed by radical Muslim terrorists on 9/11, you should be at least honest enough, and possess the guts, to let all of us know where we can look up actual documented, verifiable evidence that the kind of outrage you mentioned actually took place on 9/11.

            But, just like Mr Trump’s fictional account of thousands of American Muslims supposedly celebrating on 9/11, I have little doubt that your claim has the same amount of evidence to back it up as Trump’s imaginary event has, which is to say: ZERO DOCUMENTED AND VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE!!

            Happy New Year!

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT
          • Mike Boone

            Neil, I guess you didn’t bother checking out those videos that you sent me. Because none of those videos contain people who agree with Trump’s claim that thousands of Muslims in Jersey City cheered as the World Trade Center came down. Even Bill O’Reilly, a buddy of Trump’s, says on one of the videos that Trump’s claim was wrong and that Donald seemed to have confused some celebrating done by a bunch of Palestinians in the Middle East, with what was going on in America on 9/11.

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            1, THIS IS THE LAST TIME I AM GOING TO RESPOND TO YOU IN THIS FORUM.

            2. YOU ARE CORRECT, I DID NOT VIEW THEM. AS I HAVE SEEN VIDEOS OF MUSLIMS IN AMERICA CELEBRATING THE 9-11 ATTACKS, I ASSUMED SOME OF THOSE VIDEOS WERE IN THE ONES I SENT

            3. MAYBE YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT A LIE IS. IF SOMEONE BELIEVES WHAT THEY SAYING IS TRUE, IT IS NOT A LIE. SO THE FACT THAT MUSLIMS ALL AROUND THE WORLD WERE CELEBRATING THE 9-11 ATTACKS, AND THE FACT SOME AMERICAN ,MUSLIMS WERE DOING THE SAME COULD HAVE CAUSED TRUMP TO ERROR

            4.THE FRACKING TRUTH IS MUSLIMS IN AMERICA WERE CELEBRATING THE 9-11 ATTACKS AND THEIR NUMBER IS NOT THE IMPORTANT FACTOR,

            5. I DO NOT GIVE A RATS ASS IF YOU ARE TOO CLUELESS TO KNOW TRUMP IS GOING TO BE A GREAT PRESIDENT OR NOT. AND I AM NOT GOING TO SPEND ONE MORE SECOND ARGUING WITH YOU ABOUT IT.

          • Mike Boone

            Neil I’m sorry to see you now behaving like the fundamentalist Christians who have run away from debating me on various forums after I also embarrassed them by disproving some supposed evidence they had provided. You obviously aren’t happy that the videos you sent me only served to prove that your man, Trump, told a vicious lie by inventing his fictitious story that painted a picture of “Thousands and thousands of American Muslims in Jersey City cheering as the World Trade Center came down.”

            Obviously, Neil, I am perfectly aware that an extremely tiny % of American Muslims did celebrate the 9/11 attacks, and I’d have loved it if they had all been expelled from America, or suffered a worse penalty. My late brother who had been one of the I.T. Vice-Presidents at New York’s Goldman-Sachs investment bank, had worked for years in the World Trade Center for another company. While working in the WTC, Brian personally met a number of folks who were later to be among the victims of the mass murder done by radical Muslim assholes on 9/11.

            However, as you may know, Neil, in the 15 plus years since the radical Muslim terrorist murders on 9/11, a total of 94 Americans have been murdered by attacks here in the U.S. where the murderers claimed to be Muslims, or to be inspired by radical Muslims. That is an average of less than 7 Americans dying annually from Muslim terrorist attacks over those 15 years. On average, more than 7 Americans are murdered each year as a result of actions initiated by Italian headed crime organizations in America. So while you are trying to damn an entire people for the actions of an extremely small fringe minority, Neil, you might as well modify one of Trump’s ideas slightly, and suggest that America should consider banning Italians from entering America.

            And BTW, that extremely small average of 7 Americans murdered each year by radical Muslims probably would have been cut to less than half that level if the murdering maniac who slaughtered 49 Americans in Orlando hadn’t possessed an extreme hatred for gays.

            Of course every murder is a great tragedy, so I don’t want to minimize the meaning of any of them, but the relatively tiny number of Americans that are murdered by radical Muslims each year does indicate that more than 99% of the Muslims who live in our country are good Americans, and live here precisely because they don’t want to have to endure things like living under Sharia law.

            My wife and I take our car to a little muffler shop that is owned by a 30 year old Muslim man and his wife, who appears to be in her mid twenties. The man was born in America, but his wife emigrated here from a majority Muslim country. These are 2 very kind and extremely fair people. The man works extremely hard while his pretty wife sits at her desk in the office, wearing a little white head scarf, as she does the paperwork, and keeps the books, for their business.

            That Muslim man is proud that the federal taxes they pay on their modest business in little Barberton, Ohio, go to help support America’s military. But the man was shocked to hear Donald Trump brag that he is smart enough to avoid paying the federal taxes that support America’s men and women of our armed forces.

            So I responded to our Muslim friend by saying that Trump is one extremely rich American who obviously does not possess the spirit of patriotism that I see in 2 Muslim-Americans who just own and run a modest muffler shop.

            And you know, Neil, this Muslim business owner agreed with me that though Trump does not financially support America’s armed forces, and the men in the Trump family are “too good to ever serve in our military”, if the leader of a nation that is not even part of an alliance with America, should ever ask President Trump for American military help to repel an invasion from a neighbor, you can be sure that Trump will need no treaty agreement to send American servicemen and women into harm’s way if such an invasion also poses a threat to Trump owned business interests that are located in the country being invaded.

            Yeah, Donald Trump sure expects Americans of the middle class, and those of even lesser means, to sacrifice some of their income, and risk the lives of some of their family members and friends, in order that America have an effective military, but Donald thinks that family’s like his are above such “common duties”. Trump really seems to believe that patriotic sacrifice is something that should only be expected from Americans who are below a certain level of wealth. In other words, Trump sees the rest of us as being the kind of suckers who are neither smart enough, nor rich enough, to be free of the kind of patriotic responsibilities that he always avoids. And Neil, what kind of a fool can honestly admire an unpatriotic character like Mr Trump, a man who expects families who are much less prominent than his own, to bear all of the sacrifices involved in defending our country that keep him and his wealth safe.

            And BTW, Neil, since one of your recent rants had you getting so hot about Hillary’s email situation, you really need to know how FBI Director James Comey really put it into perspective in an interview conducted within the last 2 weeks.

            Director Comey stated, in no uncertain terms, that what General Petraeus did with classified information was MUCH WORSE THAN WHAT HILLARY DID for the following REASONS:

            1. Comey stated that although Clinton made a couple false statements in her Fall 2015 appearance before congress, Hillary NEVER LIED during the FBI’s questioning of her, while General Petraeus LIED MULTIPLE TIMES during the FBI’s questioning of him.

            2. While the FBI found NO EVIDENCE that Clinton knowingly broke the law, Petraeus finally admitted that he was fully aware that he was breaking federal law by giving classified military secrets to the girlfriend who he was having an an affair with.

            3. Clinton was dealing with classified DIPLOMATIC secrets, such as how the King of Jordan might have expressed his opinion of the Prime Minister of Israel during a confidential meeting with Secretary Clinton. But David Petraeus was giving away classified MILITARY SECRETS, an action that obviously posed a GREATER DANGER TO NATIONAL SECURITY than Hillary’s being careless with some classified DIPLOMATIC secrets.

            But of course, during his campaign, Trump constantly lied, claiming that Hillary’s email situation had been much more egregious than that of General Petraeus, when just the opposite was true. Sadly, General Michael Flynn, a Trump pick for a top spot in the new President’s administration, not only seconded his new boss’s lie about the severity of David Petraeus’s actions, compared to those of Hillary, but also made up some huge lies of his own about Clinton. Late in the campaign, Flynn actually had the audacity to tweet the totally groundless lie that Mrs Clinton was involved in a child sex ring. In choosing Flynn to join him in D.C., I guess that Trump was just proving that “Liars of a feather really do stick together”.

            Mr Trump’s favorite habit of making up false information that is the opposite of the truth, really reached blatant heights with his recent claim that America’s murder rate is the “highest it has been in 45 years”, when the reality is that it’s among the very lowest. The 15,696 murders that occurred in the U.S. in 2015, the most recent year we have full statistics for, was a far smaller total than the number of murders committed in our country in any of the 8 years that Reagan was President in the 1980s. For example, 22,520 murders were committed in the U.S. in 1981, and on top of that, America’s population was much smaller back then.

            But Trump’s absolutely worst offense, since beginning his Presidential run, was his introduction of the idea, at a rally, that if Hillary ever got to the point of picking judges that gun rights advocates wouldn’t like, “2nd Amendment people” might be able to stop Clinton from doing that by assassinating her.

            The exact words Trump spoke at that rally were “Hillary wants to abolish — essentially abolish the Second Amendment. By the way, if she gets to pick, if she gets to pick her judges, nothing you can do, folks. Although the Second Amendment people, maybe there is, I don’t know,”

            Now, aside from the fact that Clinton has never even suggested that the 2nd Amendment be abolished, Trump and his surrogates then defended his outrageous statement by falsely claiming that Mr Trump was merely trying to fire up strong supporters of gun rights so that they would turn out to vote in huge numbers on Election Day. But any intelligent person who reads exactly what Trump said at that rally knows that he was referring to what “2nd Amendment people” might be able to do to stop Clinton from “picking judges” after she has already become President. Because, obviously, she could only be picking her judges after she had gained the authority to do so, which would not be until after she was sworn in as President.
            I have closely followed every Presidential election since 1968, when, as a senior in high school I favored Richard Nixon, while considering his Democrat opponent, Hubert Humphrey, to be nothing but a useless windbag.

            But in the 48 years I’ve followed Presidential campaigns, never had I, or any of my fellow citizens, actually been witness to any Republican or Democrat Presidential candidate implying that if certain Americans disapproved of a President’s policies, then they might be able to stop such policies by assassinating that American President.

            Trump’s statement reached a new, sick, and very disturbing low for our politics. The idea he floated to the crowd at that rally is not only deeply un-American, and intensely unpatriotic, but is the kind of suggestion about possibly subjecting a political opponent to violence that the Nazis would use in Germany, just prior to Hitler gaining power.

            Whether Mr Reinhardt knows it or not, America cannot long maintain its freedom if our political leaders start adopting the Nazi-like political tactics of a South American banana republic where leaders used to be routinely blown out of office my gunfire.

            Now another trait that Trump shares in common with the German Nazis of the 1930s is his constant habit of attacking the press. It is obvious to intelligent, well educated people, that Trump only spends so much time accusing members of the press of being liars because of the reporting those folks do in exposing the huge volume of Trump’s claims, that themselves, are just bald faced lies.

            Trump’s thinly veiled suggestion that Hillary, if she were to win the Presidency, could be assassinated by people who dislike her choice of judges, not only confirms that Mr Trump is the most un-American scumbag to ever be elected President, but also helps to explain why Trump is so popular among members of America’s Neo-Nazi groups, and even became the first major party nominee for President in history, to receive the endorsement of the official newspaper of the Ku Klux Klan. And Donald is greatly admired by most of the members of the rest of America’s white supremacist groups, as well.

            Yes Neil, you have made a very wise decision in choosing to run away from engaging in any further debate with me, because this post is just a taste of how thoroughly I can wipe up the floor with you and your Neo-Nazi idol, Trump.

            Mr Reinhardt has said that Trump will be a great President. Well, exactly the same way that Trump says he will “Make America Great Again”, Hitler and his Nazis said that they were going to “Make Germany Great Again.” And in the same way that Trump has said that America has stupid leaders who allow foreign countries to take advantage of America and our people, Hitler said the same thing about the German leadership that he was trying to replace.

            Anthony Schwartz, the man who ghost wrote the 1987 best selling book, “The Art Of The Deal”, for Donald Trump, spent 18 months with Donald, even being allowed to listen in on business calls, in order to do research for the book. That author got to know Donald Trump more thoroughly than anyone else outside of Trump’s own family. And although Trump was generous in splitting the profits from the book with him, Mr Schwartz now regrets his part in creating a positive image of Trump in the public mind, long before “The Apprentice” ever went on the air. Schwartz says he is very sorry for the part he played in helping bring Trump to the attention of the country through that huge selling book, because he gradually came to realize that Donald is a “genuine sociopath” in that he has no conscience, and will tell any lie, and pull any deception, no matter who it hurts, as long as such lies and deceptions will allow Trump to get further ahead.

            It’s amazing how Trump’s tactics, especially the “Theory of the Big Lie”, that were used in 1930s Germany, come almost directly out of the German Nazi playbook.

            But in spite of that, I do sincerely hope that though he has the last name of Reinhardt, the gentleman I’m responding to, really is not the big admirer of Trump that he is, merely because he may be an actual descendant of some German Nazis. But let’s just struggle to give the man the benefit of the doubt, OK?

          • Chris

            Trump is lying Everytime he talks ,I can’t believe the people still falling for he’s lying B’s ,He is pulling the biggest croupt in history off, He is Getting away with it by people staying on the crazy things he is saying, And ingoring him taking our Rights away ,At job that gonna give workers no Rights to anything about these companies screwing the people, That the rights they are taking away ,Why news not paying attention to him running hes business with 25 different countries , Why being the president of Us he’s making business deals why tax’s payers are paying millions in protecting him and he’s family ,He’s making millions building he’s business world wide ,If a you think it not gonna effected you all you have Rude awakening coming

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            LOOK YOU WANT TO ARGUE, USE FACEBOOK

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            COMPARING KILLARY’S LIES TO TRUMPS IS STUPID!

            LOOK KILLARY HAS BEEN LYING FOR OVER EIGHT YEARS, NAMED AFTER THE MOUNTAIN CLIMBER? A LIE AS SHE WAS BORN SIX YEARS BEFORE HE WAS FAMOUS!

            SHOT AT GETTING OFF AN AIRPLANE? A LIE AS VIDEO PROVES,

            BEHGAZI? A LIE ABOUT SOMETHING WHICH GOT AMERICANS KILLED1

            AND THE BITCH LIED AND LIE AND LIED ABOUT HER EMAILS

          • Mike Boone

            You are absolutely correct Neil that there is a stupid aspect to attempting to compare Hillary’s tendency to drop occasional lies on the public, with Donald Trump’s far more frequent invention of false statements that he presents as facts. A fact checker on CNN noted that in the 3 debates between Clinton and Trump, for each false statement that Mrs Clinton provided in the debates, Mr Trump consistently maintained his lead in lying by making 5 to 6 times the number of false statements in each debate that Mrs Clinton made.
            You must be aware Neil, that many national surveys have shown that regardless of the particular race of the people queried in these surveys, Americans consistently rate Colin Powell at the top, or just below the top, in trustworthiness and honesty compared to any of the other nationally known figures.

            Well, it was roughly 6 to 8 weeks ago that General Powell defined Donald Trump as being “A National Disgrace.” And it is rare that such a candid and accurate assessment of a famous man is ever offered by a highly respected statesman like General Powell. But considering how Trump routinely uses lies, and exploits fear and ignorance, to divide Americans, the General sure knew what he was talking about.

            But at least Mr Trump is not a divisive force when it comes to all of our fellow Americans, Neil. Because “The Donald” has certainly succeeded in uniting all of the Neo-Nazis, Ku Klux Klan members, and skinheads who now sing his praises. Well, I hope you have an enjoyable New Year’s Neil. But while you are celebrating, I sure hope that you won’t be singing the kinds of songs that are likely to be coming out of the mouths of the people of the groups that I just named.

          • Chris

            I glad to see someone on here that can clearly see the Rep are all clearly lying , Apparently everyone that voted for these Rep watch nothing but fake news ,If anyone would notice the new president gets he’s news from CNN then goes on Twitter and claims it fake news! If it was all lies like he claims! when they are reporting about he’s FBI ongoing investigation if anyone notice he doesn’t get he’s news from Fox’s he gets it from CNN because CNN the only one on all day and night reporting anything and everything about new president ,

          • Mike Boone

            That’s right. Believers start with the conclusion that they were taught it is their duty to believe, then they work backwards in an effort (a fruitless one) to find solid evidence that justifies their conclusion. And when they don’t find solid evidence for it they simply say “God is so great he is beyond human understanding”. And then these religious folks wonder why Christians often get ridiculed. But notice how close the words ridiculous and ridicule are. Religious folks wouldn’t have to always be complaining about being ridiculed, if they weren’t always saying ridiculous things.

          • Thabang Maepa

            an assumption leads to only just ignorant believe, confusion leads to question,a search for the truth [evidence and not just assumpt truth]]

          • Mike Boone

            Come on Wesley, Sagan and Russell were two of the most logical human beings who ever walked the earth.

            By the way, reading all of your thought contortions moves me to ask: What scientific papers on thermodynamics have you had published and peer reviewed? And, are you even a scientist, or just a BS artist who typed his post with one hand, while he had a glass of Jack Daniels in the other?

          • Eddie Anderson

            Science and God aren’t related… when trying to find scientific evidence for God is like trying to get a mouse to understand English.

          • Nicholaus

            I kind of agree, science relies on evidence and logic. Belief in some god requires one to abandon both.

          • Mike Boone

            “Please cite the scientific research that proved some deity exists, just one will do.”

            Terrific response Nick, especially since a survey of the membership of the National Academy of Sciences, which is comprised of America’s most eminent scientists, revealed that 93% of the members of that organization do not believe in a personal god who has any relationship with humans. And, no doubt, many of that organization’s members who are in the remaining 7% did not want to indicate that they are skeptical concerning a belief in god so that they would not seem to disrespect, or offer offense to, loving parents or grandparents who had sought to raise them to have a belief in god.

          • Karl Ström

            You will not be happy on the day you face Zeus and he turn you away due to your infidel ways, repent now….before its to late….repent to Zeus the father and Heracles the son !!!

          • LadyLoneStar

            SMH….you are a sad little insignificant waste of my time. May GOD have Mercy on your soul at your last breath on this earth.

          • southpaw81

            “waste of my time” … very Christian attitude … I can see the love of Christ

          • LadyLoneStar

            Judge much?

          • southpaw81

            Often, actually.

          • LadyLoneStar

            There it is again! You’re like, you love sitting on your throne.

          • southpaw81

            Look who’s talking.

          • LadyLoneStar

            You are pointless.

          • southpaw81

            Kind of like you.

          • LadyLoneStar

            Difference is you care about what I think about you….I don’t care about what you “think” about me.

          • southpaw81

            Delusional much?

          • LadyLoneStar

            You prove my point yet again

          • LadyLoneStar

            Are you taking your meds?

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            SHE HAS BEEN HAVING THEM EVER SINCE THOSE WHO RAISED HER CAREFULLY PROGRAMMED HER TO BELIEVE THEIR RELIGION IS THE ONLY TRUE RELIGION AND THEIR GOD THE ONLY REAL GOD. WHILE I KNOW I SHOULD SIMPLY PITY THE POOR FOOLS, THEIR ACTIONS AND WORDS PISS ME OFF TO THE POINT WHERE I DISLIKE THEM.

          • LadyLoneStar

            You are incorrect again, Neil. You don’t know me. I was not “programmed”, as you refer to it. I CHOSE because of a personal relationship with Jesus Christ.

            I don’t “dislike” you Neil, I feel sorry for you. You continue to spew your hate everywhere you go. It’s truly sad to see someone with so much contempt for someone else’s beliefs.

            Find peace, Neil….find peace for your life.

          • Lisa Angel

            No, you have posted some of the most pointless things I have ever read. So scared to take responsibility for your own actions. Grow up and stop believing in fairy tales.

          • LadyLoneStar

            We shall see.

          • LadyLoneStar

            Don’t have to “look”….I actually think before I talk….you should try it sometime instead of just babbling the first stupid thing that bubbles to the surface.

          • southpaw81

            LOL, your “thinking” isn’t obvious.

          • LadyLoneStar

            Careful, don’t hurt yourself.

          • southpaw81

            Hurt myself? How, from laughing at your hypocrisy?

          • LadyLoneStar

            Laugh at your own hypocrisy….it’s a lot funnier.

          • Eddie Anderson

            I remember that movie.

          • Mary-julia Dibosa

            She never claimed sainthood

          • Martin G.

            Christ thinks you’re a waste of time, too.

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            YOU CHILD, ARE SUCH A PROGRAMMED RELIGIOUS ROBOT, IT SEEMS YOU DO NOT REALIZE THE ONLY REASON YOU ARE NOT A JEW, OR A MUSLIM OR A HINDU WHO BELIEVES IN MANY GODS IS VERY SIMPLY BECAUSE YOU WERE,AS A BABY, CHILD AND TEENAGER, PROGRAMMED BY CHRISTIANS.

            DO YOU NOT REALIZE YOU HAVE NO MORE EVIDENCE YOUR GOD IS REAL THAN THE HINDU’S HAVE THAT THERE MANY GODS ARE REAL?

            FYI. THE MAIN REASON MULTI-MILLIONS OF FORMER CHRISTIANS, INCLUDING THE WELL OVER
            600 MEMBERS OF THE CLERGY PROJECT, WHO ARE ALL FORMER CHRISTIAN MINISTERS, ARE NOW SOME OF THE ESTIMATED 35,000,000 AMERICANS WHO ARE ATHEISTS WAS BECAUSE THEY FOUND NO VALID EVIDENCE THE CHRISTIAN GOD, OR ANY GOD, IS REAL.

            AND DO YOU NOT REALIZE THAT YOU HAVE NO ACTUAL, VALID EVIDENCE YOUR GOD IS REAL AT ALL? YET, YOU, AND ALL OF THE OTHER POOR PROGRAMED RELIGIOUS ROBOTS, ALL FIRMLY BELIEVE YOUR GOD, AND ONLY YOUR GOD, IS THE ONLY REAL GOD.

            WHICH IS NOT ONLY A VERY DELUSIONAL THING TO DO, IT IS SOMETHING ONLY PROGRAMMED RELIGIOUS, OR CRAZY PEOPLE DO.

          • linusbern

            Holy hypocrisy batman, you literally just passed judgement on someone in your previous comment.

            Seriously, why dont you worry about your own salvation instead of judging everyone else.

          • LadyLoneStar

            Not judging just sharing the truth.

            “Seriously, why don’t you worry about your own salvation instead of judging” me because of your guilt complex.

          • linusbern

            What am I supposed to be guilty of?

          • Lisa Angel

            What truth, I say my sky man is true, nah nah nah? Really, please get help for your God Delusion.

          • LadyLoneStar

            Right after you get help for your delusion.

          • lindsncal

            All you ever offer is condescending, name calling attacks. Nothing of any substance at all.

          • LadyLoneStar

            Kettle mean pot!

          • Marge

            You are like a parody of yourself

          • Lisa Angel

            Yes, let a fictional character have mercy on our souls. May big foot have mercy on yours, same thing but there is more proof of big foot than an invisible man in the sky.

          • LadyLoneStar

            We shall see who is who…praying that your eyes are open before your last breath.

          • Lisa Angel

            No his existence has NOT been scientifically proven. He is a myth written thousands of years ago by illiterate people who didn’t know where the sun went at night and couldn’t read, write or speak english. Also, please enlighten us on this PROOF you speak of.

          • LadyLoneStar

            You are again incorrect.

          • Martin G.

            You’re a clown. The prophets of God knew that Orion’s belt was expanding, thousands of years before the telescope was invented. Jesus was performing Quantum healing thousands of years before Quantum theory was dreamt up by scientists. Apparently you’re the uneducated illiterate who believes in myths.

          • https://disqus.com/home/channel/atheismftw/ Ian Cooper

            Where’s your evidence for these assertions? Your assertions seem to be based in new age cultism. If you have no verifiable evidence, then you’re the clown.

          • Martin G.

            My assertions are based upon decades of proven research and experimentation with the Spirit realm. I follow neither religion nor belief ‘system’, just real, verifiable, consistent, 100% accurate results. Are you happy? “Happy”, isn’t that the name of a famous clown?

          • https://disqus.com/home/channel/atheismftw/ Ian Cooper

            LOL. Measurements, of the spirit realm. Riiiight. Get back on the meds, bro.

          • Martin G.

            I was right, you are “Happy”.

          • Martin G.

            You are a fanciful dreamer, aren’t you? I get people off their meds and back to sound mental health by the power of the Holy Spirit. You should read more and get educated, you can’t stay in grade 3 forever.

          • Martin G.

            “Didn’t know where the sun went at night”? You’re such an idiot. The Prophets of the OT knew that the stars of Orion’s Belt were expanding while the Pleaides were contracting. Modern scientists only learned of this recently. The only stars you’ve ever heard of are soap opera stars.

          • Part Dilly

            Pffff, “SCIENTIFICALLY PROVEN”

          • https://disqus.com/home/channel/atheismftw/ Ian Cooper

            Like your god, there is no such thing as “scientifically proven” – nothing ever gets proved to be true by science. The best it ever gets is becoming a theory. If your god was a theory, then I might be tempted to believe (though I would never worship such a monster), but all he is now is a hypothesis, and a poor one at that.

            There is no god, no Heaven, no Hell. We are not children who can be frightened by empty threats. When we die, that’s the end. I’ve already been saved from the negativity in my life – that happened when I stopped believing in gods.

          • LadyLoneStar

            You are incorrect…..sigh……yet again.

          • Kat Smith

            LOL- you are so lost poor lady.

          • LadyLoneStar

            Yes, YOU are.

          • LadyLoneStar

            You’ve got that right…..but it’s not “me” that is the “lost, poor…”, it’s you.

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            UNLESS YOU CAN PORIVIDE THE SCIENTIFIC PROOF, YOU ARE JUST ANOTHER TYPICAL PROGRAMMED RELIGIOUS ROBOT LIAR!

          • LadyLoneStar

            Keep reading there, Sparky…..I posted several videos for your “proof”.

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            THE ONLY PROOF WHICH WOULD ACCEPTED BY THE MULTI-MILLIONS OF FORMER CHRISTIANS, BY THE OVER 600 FORMER CHRISTIAN MINISTERS, BY HINDUS, BY ANY & ALL MEMBERS OF ANY OTHER RELIGIONS AND BY ONE AND HALF BILLION ATHEISTS, WOULD BE FOR YOUR “GOD” TO SHOW HIMSELF TO ALL OF US.

          • LadyLoneStar

            Not even wasting my time to read your hateful spew. You are a waste of my time.

          • LadyLoneStar

            I don’t have to “provide” you with anything…..I’ve already done it. You can read English, right?

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            LOOK YOU POOR DELUDED PROGRAMMED RELIGIOUS ROBOT CHRISTIAN, THE ODDS YOU CAN READ ENGLISH AS FAST AS I CAN AND DO SO WITH AS HIGH SKILL OF READING COMPREHENSION SKILLS AS I CAN ARE ABOUT ZERO. AND THE ODDS YOU CAN MATCH MY HIGH EFFECTIVE INTELLIGENCE ARE LESS THAN TWO PERCENT.

          • LadyLoneStar

            You are a sad excuse for a person…..grow up, Neil.

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            REALLY?

            FIRST, MANY WHO KNOW IN PERSON AND WELL (SOME SINCE 1950) WILL ATTEST I AM ONE OF, IF NOT THE SINGLE MOST, HONEST AND TRUTHFUL PERON THEY KNOW. I DOUBT ANY, MUCH LESS MANY OF THOSE WHO KNOW YOU IN PERSON AND WELL WILL SO ATTEST FOR YOU.

            SECOND, HAS ANYONE YOU KNOW NOMINATED YOU, AS THEY HAVE ME, AS BEING ONE OF THE DESERVING PEOPLE WHO ARE RECOGNIZED ON THE ELLEN DEGENERES’S SHOW? I STRONGLY DOUBT IT.

            THIRD, I DOUBT THE MANY I HAVE HELPED AND DO HELP NOW WOULD AGREE WITH YOU.

            FORTH, I DOUBT THE MANY I HAVE STOPPED FROM BEING PHYSICAL ASSAULTED WOULD AGREE WITH YOU.

            FIFTH, I DOUBT THOSE WHOSE LIVES I SAVED WOULD AGREE WITH YOU.

            SIXTH, I DOUBT ANYONE AT ALL WOULD CONSIDER YOU TO BE A “HERO” AS MANY CONSIDER ME TO BE FOR MY, SINCE 1945, REPEATEDLY PLACING MYSELF IN DANGER OF PHYSICAL INJURY AND EVEN DEATH TO HELP OTHERS

            SEVENTH, AS ATHEISTS SIMPLY DISBELIEVE IN ONE LESS GOD THAN DO CHRISTIANS, THE ATTACKS AND INSULTS DIRECTED TO ATHEISTS BY CHRISTIANS CLEARLY DEMONSTRATE THE TOTAL FAILURE OF THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION TO INSTILL TOLERANCE, ETHICS, INTEGRITY HONOR AND MORALS, OR ANY SENSE OF DECENCY IN IT’S FOLLOWERS.

            THE FACTS ARE YOU POOR EXCUSE FOR A HUMAN. THE ODDS OF YOUR DOING AS MUCH FOR THE CIVIL RIGHTS OF BLACKS AND WOMAN AS I HAVE ARE ZERO. SO ARE THE ODDS YOU HAVE DONE AS MUCH FOR YOUR COUNTRY, FOR OTHERS AND FOR ANIMALS.

            SO KISS OFF, YOU POOR, DELUDED PROGRAMMED RELIGIOUS ROBOT!

          • LadyLoneStar
          • Thabang Maepa

            keep on praying for us, we’ll keep on thinking for you!

          • Debra Blakley Weasner

            I believed before I even had to have signs or answers. I believed by faith. But after my Lord has given me so much and answered so many of my prayers I can’t “not” believe. It takes just as much faith to not believe as to believe. Think about it.

          • Kat Smith

            That is so silly. It takes no faith to not believe. Faith-complete trust or confidence in someone or something. I believe in the absence of something. Does it take faith for you not to believe in the tooth fairy? the easter bunny? All it takes is lack of evidence and logical thought.

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            IT TAKES NO FAITH TO NOT BELIEVE. AND IF YOUR GOD WAS REAL, YOU WOULD NOT NEED ANY FAITH OR BELIEF TO KNOW IT AS SUCH A REAL GOD WOULD BE APPARTENT TO ALL.

          • Eddie Anderson

            I believe in God but even if I didn’t I’d feel sad. Imagining a world without God makes everything pointless. Completely. Why the hell are we here? Think about it.

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            OF COURSE YOU BELIEVE IN A GOD. YOU EITHER WERE AS A BABY, CHILD AND TEENAGER PROGRAMMED TO BELIEVE IN THE SAME RELIGION AND GOD THOSE WHO RAISED YOU BELIEVED IN, OR, YOU ARE NOT SANE.
            THINKING THERE HAS TO BE SOME REASON WE ARE HERE IS ILLOGICAL. AND THINKING WE ARE HERE BECAUSE ONE OF THE TENS OF THOUSANDS OF GODS HUMANS HAVE INVENTED SO FAR PUT US HERE IS RETARDED.
            WE ARE HERE DUE TO A COMBIATION OF CHEMINALS, SUN LIGHT AND ELECTRUCAL ENERGY.
            LAST IF YOUR GOD IS REAL, HE-SHE-IT IS EITHER EVIL OR VERY INCOMPETENT. THINK ABOUT IT!

          • Nicholaus

            So your life would have no meaning without an imaginary friend? I agree, that is sad.

          • Mary-julia Dibosa

            So God might exist but religion is based on myth? Lol wtf man

          • Nicholaus

            It makes no sense to say that something does not exist, impossible to disprove a negative. Fairies could also exist, again the lack of evidence is very telling. Religions are man-made nonsense because they all have errors and contradictions when they claim to be inspired by some god or gods.

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            IT IS MORE RATIONAL, LOGICAL AND IMTELLIGENT TO SAY SOMETHING, FOR THERE IS NO PROOF EXISTS, DOES NOT EXIST, THAN TO SAY IT DOES EXIST.
            DO CHRISTIANS SAY THE MANY THOUSANDS OF HINDU GODS EXIST? IF THEY DID, IT WOULD BE ADMITTING THEIR GOD IS ONLY ONE OF MANY THOUSANDS.

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            NICK, PLEASE CHECK OUT MY LATEST REPLIES. THANKS, NEIL

          • Nicholaus

            While I agree with some of your points please know that typing in all caps only makes you appear crazy.

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            ONLY TO THE ILLOGICAL, IRRATIONAL AND THE NOT OVERLY BRIGHT. WHILE INTELLIGENT PEOPLE MAY ASK WHY I USE THEM, THE TRULY INTELLIGENT SIMPLY ACCEPY IT.
            AND WHEN YOU ARE AS OLD AS I AM, YOU MAY EVEN UNDERSTAND WHY MANY OLD PEOPLE, WHO DID NOT GROW UP WITH COMPUTERS, USE ALL CAPS SO THEY CAN SEE WHAT THEY ARE WRITING MORE EASOLY. AND ONLY THE VERY STUPID DO NOT UNDERSTAND WRITING THINGS IS MORE DIFFICULT THAN SIMPLY READING WHAT OTHERS HAVE WRITTEN.
            LAST WERE YOU MORE INFORMED, THE ODDS ARE YOU WOULD AGREE WITH ALL OF MY POINTS.

          • Eddie Anderson

            God isn’t something that can be identified in this world because he resides in another. Justifying his existence by evidence would give faith no meaning, lol.

          • Nicholaus

            You have it backwards, it requires faith because it has no evidence.

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            I HAVE NO “FAITH” IN ANYTHING, I EITHER HAVE KNOWLEDGE OF IT, OR, I DO NOT.

          • Artimus Clyde

            Troubled by “him”, or troubled by “his” followers, like you…..who cause damage throughout the world.

          • LadyLoneStar

            OK, Art, all you have to do is ask….sure I understand you are hurting, feeling hopeless…I’ll pray for you too. God bless you, my friend.

          • Artimus Clyde

            Instead of praying why don’t you do something useful like feed the poor or clean up a highway.

          • Karl Ström

            Because religion brings nothing but pain, war and misery…..and as a human being who live on planet Terra….that pisses me off. Good enough answer for you ?

          • LadyLoneStar

            That doesn’t answer my question presented to Nick, Karl. Instead of investing all your time with video games and comics, maybe you should READ….read interesting life changing books…read for yourself the Holy Bible, the One and Only True Word of GOD…

            You are a angry, bitter little man, I get that by your need to verbally attack me but GOD has NOTHING to do with religion. Religion is man made. GOD is a real person, He’s alive and He loves you more than you can ever understand or imagine. GOD will never leave you or let you down. He will be there from beginning to the very end and beyond.

            It’s your choice where you want to spend eternity.

          • James Smith

            The Holy Bible, the one and only true word of God? The King James version is the one used today. It was written in the 15 th century by men who didnt want to offend the king from a book that was translated based on some writings found like 400 years after the death of Christ written by men 100 to 200 years after the death of Christ.What could be clearer than that?

          • LadyLoneStar

            You couldn’t be more mislead. The Bible is written by man’s hand but the words are inspired directly from God. When reading the Bible, you need to pray and ask God to show you what He is wanting to reveal to you from His word. The books in the Bible span several years apart, but when you start studying it, from Genesis to Revelation, all accounts and stories all tie together. The Holy Spirit directs you to understanding and in how to apply what you learn to your life. That’s as clear as it gets.

          • linusbern

            So even though men wrote the bible they were directed by God, but when men created religion God had nothing to do with it? How can you tell? I’m certain every religious leader will tell you they are directed by God.

          • linusbern

            Lady lonestar,
            Karl didnt say anything attacking you, you on the other hand did attack him calling him an angry bitter little man.

            Jesus didnt have much to say about things like gays, and abortion, but he sure took a hard line on hypocrites.

            I wouldnt have any problem with religious people if they actually lived their philosophy, but generally they expect everyone else to follow it, while giving themselves a free pass, as you yourself have just done.

          • LadyLoneStar

            So you feel the need to defend Karl? He’s your boyfriend and something. It’s obvious by his verbal attack that he’s a angry bitter little man…guess you relate on that level too.

            You couldn’t be more wrong about what Jesus said about “gays and abortion”. But thanks for trying to pretend like you know the truth.

            Oh good, then you don’t have a “problem” with me because I’m not a “religious person”. Where have I “expected everyone else to follow it while giving themselves a free pass”? You’re off base and you don’t even know it.

            Besides….maybe you should look again….I was commenting and conversing with Nick when Karl deemed it necessary to throw in his two cents…and now you.

          • linusbern

            You come across as an angry bitter little lady.

            I am happy to be corrected when I am wrong, please show me what Jesus had to say about homosexuality and abortion.

            “I was commenting and conversing with Nick when Karl deemed it necessary to throw in his two cents…and now you.”

            And Nick was conversing with someone else when you deemed it necessary to throw in your two cents, but since you are a hypocrite, that fact somehow didn’t register for you.

            Up and down this thread you are criticizing people for the very things you do, Like telling people not to judge, at the same time as you are judging.

            Seriously, read what Jesus thought about hypocrites, and then, (if you are actually a real christian, and not just someone who waves their religion like a flag as an excuse to feel superior) take a little quiet time to reflect upon whether you are a true christian, and not, as Christ said, “… like the hypocrites; for they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and on the street corners so that they
            may be seen by men.”

          • LadyLoneStar

            I’m going to help you with a couple of things, first thing, “abortion=murder” Mat 5:21“You have heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not murder, and whoever murders will be in danger of the judgment.’
            “homosexuality=immoral, un-pure act”
            Lev 20:13‘If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them.

            I am not bitter, not judging, not angry. I am not even criticizing people. Just telling the truth.

            Maybe you are the one who should do a little more research. I am NOT a religious person…you obviously refuse to READ the entire thread. I am not superior nor do I act like I am. Remember that while you are pointing your judgmental finger at me, there are three more pointing back at you. So these are words you can ponder but move along because I’m done being entrapped by your little rant. Believe or don’t believe, those are the choices you make and have to live with. I’m praying to the ONE TRUE GOD that you find the correct answers not just the ones you justify how you live your life by and the choices you make. Good luck with that.

          • linusbern

            “I am NOT a religious person…”
            ” I’m praying to the ONE TRUE GOD”
            Is there some way to reconcile these two statements because they seem to be pretty contradictory to me.

            I asked you what Jesus said about homosexuality, and since leviticus was written well before he was born, he can’t have said it.

            “Abortion is murder”. Not according to the law, and unless the bible specifically says so, it seems like you are simply projecting your own views on the bible.

            “I am not bitter, not judging, not angry. I am not even criticizing people. Just telling the truth.”

            I see, well I hope you will understand that when I call you a transparent hypocrite and moron, I’m not insulting you, I’m just telling the truth.

          • LadyLoneStar

            Religion is manmade. I have a close personal relationship with Jesus Christ….there is your “reconciliation of two statements” because they are different as night and day.

            You asked where it is in the Bible….abortion IS murder of an innocent, unborn HUMAN BEING.

            Grow up and stop with the labeling and name calling, thanks.

          • linusbern

            I don’t understand how you can claim to have a close personal relationship with Jesus, but not be religious, but that’s fine, as long as it makes sense to you.

            That is your opinion about abortion, but it is not supported by law, and evidently the bible doesn’t say so either, or you would be supplying a verse.

            As for your supposed high mindedness regarding insults, it is just more of your hypocrisy. Up and down this thread you pass out insults, “you’re an angry bitter little man”,”Instead of investing all your time with video games and comics, maybe you should READ”,”buy a dictionary”.etc.

          • LadyLoneStar

            Are you religious? What church do you attend? Do you read the Holy Bible? Do you study the Holy Bible on a daily basis?

            Are you kidding me? I DID “supply a verse” to you…are you that dense? It’s not “my opinion” that abortion is MURDER…it’s a fact.

            As far as hypocrisy goes, it takes one to know one. Up and down this thread you have insulted me and obviously don’t understand that I have answered your silly questions because you continue to ask them again and again.

          • linusbern

            I looked up Mat 5:21, it doesn’t say

          • LadyLoneStar

            Then you aren’t reading the correct Bible…

            Matthew 5:21“You have heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not murder, and whoever murders will be in danger of the judgment.’

          • linusbern

            I know, it denounces murder, but you are the one that defines abortion as murder. I don’t, the law doesn’t, the bible doesn’t, and the dictionary doesn’t. It is not fact, it is your opinion, and it isn’t really the sort of thing that can ever become fact. You cant look through a telescope or perform a chemical experiment, or write a mathematical formula and scientifically determine that abortion is murder,

          • LadyLoneStar

            The dictionary doesn’t? What dictionary are you using?

            Definition of abortion: “Biology. the arrested development of an embryo or an organ at a more or less early stage.”

            Definition of arrested: “Medicine/Medical. to control or stop the active progress of”

            Definition of embryo: “the young of a viviparous animal, especially of a mammal, in the early stages of development within the womb, in humans up to the end of the second month.”

            Definition of fetus: “(used chiefly of viviparous mammals) the young of an animal in the womb or egg, especially in the later stages of development when thebody structures are in the recognizable form of its kind, in humans after the end of the second month of gestation.”

            Definition of murder: “Law. the killing of another human being under conditions specifically covered in law.”

            Since you obviously are set on “the Bible doesn’t” and you’ve declared you are an atheist because you were raised in the church but God didn’t cater to your every want so you became an atheist. So? Be happy with your doubt about who God is and what abortion means. The Bible DOES call murder a sin. The laws are man’s way to try to form society but they aren’t God’s laws. It is a fact whether you choose to be obtuse or ignorant or just plain argumentative about the facts but honestly I SIMPLY DON’T CARE! You’ve got your life to live…so go.

            GOD is a real person, He’s alive and He loves you more than you can ever understand or imagine. GOD will never leave you or let you down. He will be there from beginning to the very end and beyond. And whether I am Christian, a hypocrite, a high minded person or not doesn’t change those facts. I’m human, I react and sin as a human….I am not GOD, I don’t pretend to be GOD…but He is NOT a myth, there is evidence of Him EVERYWHERE. If He is a myth, why are atheists so afraid of Him or symbols of Christianity?

            That’s not hypocritical or judgmental, that’s just the facts, but in the grand scheme of things, and completely off this threads topic, if you are the judgmental one here, that’s on you not me.

            It’s your choice where you want to spend eternity.

          • linusbern

            “and you’ve declared you are an atheist because you were raised in the
            church but God didn’t cater to your every want so you became an atheist.”

            I declared what? I said no such thing, any more than you declared you are a christian because you are gullible and cant think for yourself.

            I became an atheist because I have never seen any evidence for god, and the notion always seemed absurd. You however are in a position to change that. You claim that his existence is scientifically proven, and yet, inexplicably you refuse to share this scientific proof. There are only two possible conclusions.

            1.) You are incredibly selfish for refusing to share what would be world changing information.

            2.) You are lying, and you have no evidence whatsoever.

            As for why you keep posting your last three paragraphs over and over again…insanity?

          • LadyLoneStar

            You are an atheist because you are gullible and cant think for yourself. You’re also extremely ridiculous, “incredibly selfish for refusing to share what would be world changing information”….how can it be “shared” with you, your heart is hardened to the truth.

            Because you are too lazy to research the scientific evidence yourself doesn’t make me “incredibly selfish for refusing to share what would be world changing information”, a liar or any of the many other labels and names you “think” you have to sling at me. I copy and paste it yet again because you refuse to read it.

            Since you obviously are set on “the Bible doesn’t” and you’ve declared you are an atheist because you were raised in the church but God didn’t cater to your every want so you became an atheist. So? Be happy with your doubt about who God is and what abortion means. The Bible DOES call murder a sin. The laws are man’s way to try to form society but they aren’t God’s laws. It is a fact whether you choose to be obtuse or ignorant or just plain argumentative about the facts but honestly I SIMPLY DON’T CARE! You’ve got your life to live…so go.

            GOD is a real person, He’s alive and He loves you more than you can ever understand or imagine. GOD will never leave you or let you down. He will be there from beginning to the very end and beyond. And whether I am Christian, a hypocrite, a high minded person or not doesn’t change those facts. I’m human, I react and sin as a human….I am not GOD, I don’t pretend to be GOD…but He is NOT a myth, there is evidence of Him EVERYWHERE. If He is a myth, why are atheists so afraid of Him or symbols of Christianity?

            That’s not hypocritical or judgmental, that’s just the facts, but in the grand scheme of things, and completely off this threads topic, if you are the judgmental one here, that’s on you not me.

            It’s your choice where you want to spend eternity.

          • linusbern

            “how can it be “shared” with you
            your heart is hardened to the truth.”

            It’s pretty simple, write it down or post a link. I believe in science, and you have claimed that scientific proof exists.

            But you have no evidence, just endless bullshit, (and apparently a deep conviction that, “I know you are but what am I” is a brilliantly clever argument).

          • linusbern

            P.s.
            “Definition of murder: “Law. the killing of another human being under conditions specifically covered in law.”

            And since abortion is not considered murder under the law, your dictionary-based defence collapses.

          • linusbern

            Sorry about that aborted response, I was trying to write on my phone and it posted accidentally.

            Mat 5:21 does not say “abortion=murder” you made that up. I was asking for a verse that actually says it, and obviously no such verse exists, and if I repeated my question, it is because you didn‘t answer honestly.

            “It’s not “my opinion” that abortion is MURDER…it’s a fact”. You seem unable to distinguish your opinion from fact. I get that you believe very strongly that the two are the same, but that doesn’t actually make it so.

            “Are you religious?” Since you consider religion to be a human construct, what does it matter? Nonetheless, I grew up going to church and reading the bible, but it seemed like complete nonsense to me from the time I was very young, (although I did like reading my six volume comic of the old and new testaments, particularly the bit about Samson. Awesome!)

            “Religion is man made, can you grasp that part?” Yes, yes I can, in fact I simply take it one step further and consider God to also be a human construct.

            “but He is NOT a myth, there is evidence of Him EVERYWHERE”. I don’t mean to seem obtuse, but in 45 years I have yet to encounter any evidence of his actual existence, and whenever I ask for some, the response is always the same “Its EVERYWHERE”. You might appreciate that this response is somewhat unsatisfying. if such evidence is everywhere, you won’t have much trouble providing it to me.

            “If He is a myth, why are atheists so afraid of Him or symbols of Christianity?” We aren’t afraid of him any more than we are afraid of Zeus or Vishnu or Odin, it is his followers that are the problem.

            If that makes no sense to you, consider this, are you afraid of Allah? Do you think that Allah will sentence you to an eternity of torment if you don’t follow Islam? I’m going to guess not, because Allah is not really the problem, it is the nutcases that want to use him to impose their will on the world that are the problem.

            I called you a hypocrite, not because you answered his query, but because you accuse other people of doing the very things you do, I’m not quite sure what hypocrisy I am displaying, but if you point it out, I will consider correcting my behaviour.

            You have twice accused me of feeling guilty, but I still don’t understand what I am supposed to feel guilty about.

            I have known alot of people who say they believe in God, but don’t believe in religion, generally they mean that they think the universe had a creator, and that there is a higher intelligence that we will never understand, but you are the first I have ever met who claims to reject religion, and yet seems to embrace all the trappings of Christianity, from the bible, to the language, to the personal relationship, to the symbols, to the story of Jesus, to the damnation to hell. I guess it is possible that you truly believe what you say, but you seem more like a Christian who doesn’t want to give up their Sundays for Church than someone who rejects religion.

          • LadyLoneStar

            That’s why “abortion=murder” is BEFORE the verse, seriously, Linus, you are truly tiring.

            What is abortion to you, what is your definition?

            Answer the question…answering a question with a question isn’t an answer.

            “I called you a hypocrite, not because you answered his query, but because you accuse other people of doing the very things you do…” So you know me? No you don’t. “…I will consider correcting my behaviour”…No you won’t…that sentence, right there, is proof.

            GOD is a real person, He’s alive and He loves you more than you can ever understand or imagine. GOD will never leave you or let you down. He will be there from beginning to the very end and beyond. And whether I am Christian, a hypocrite, a high minded person or not doesn’t change those facts. I’m human, I react and sin as a human….I am not GOD, I don’t pretend to be GOD…but He is NOT a myth, there is evidence of Him EVERYWHERE. If He is a myth, why are atheists so afraid of Him or symbols of Christianity?

            That’s not hypocritical or judgmental, that’s just the facts, but in the grand scheme of things, and completely off this threads topic, if you are the judgmental one here, that’s on you not me.

            It’s your choice where you want to spend eternity.

          • linusbern

            Then why did you put abortion=murder in quotation marks if it isn’t a quotation? Are you using the quotation marks in an ironic fashion? And why do you insist that it is in the bible when you admit that it isn’t?

            My definition of abortion is the termination of a pregnancy, which is pretty close to what most dictionaries say, I don’t know if you will find a dictionary that uses the word “murder” to define abortion.

            I don’t call you a hypocrite because I think I can see into your mind, it is purely based upon the things you say in this thread.

            “”…I will consider correcting my behaviour”…No you won’t…that sentence, right there, is proof.” Actually no, proof would be for you to provide an example of my hypocrisy and then judge my response. Are you unable to come up with an example of my hypocrisy to put to the test?

            “seriously, Linus, you are truly tiring.” No offense, but you just copy/pasted your last three paragraphs straight out of your previous comment, as though I hadn’t already responded to and rebutted them already. How tiresome is that. Its hard not to conclude that your evidence for his existence consists solely of declaring the evidence is EVERYWHERE.

            I’m not trying to be obnoxious by asking to see this evidence that is EVERYWHERE, If you have proof of God’s existence, it would be revelatory, and I would genuinely like to see it.

          • Wesley

            I see you and, despite this distance, I don’t doubt your sincerity and your acceptance of the Christ but I have a good
            question for you, sister: Are you not familiar with the Proverb regarding castings pearls before swine? Why do you
            (as even you admit) waste your time with the likes of southpaw. If the Holy Spirit in you is convicting you regarding witnessing to him, then by every mean, you should do just that. However, you have substantial reasons to doubt that he
            is sincerely seeking anything even remotely close to Truth or that he has any interest in knowing God or His Christ. rather it seems that trying to antagonize believers is somewhat of a sport to him as it is to many of his ilk; unwittingly puppeted by Satan. He may well have already committed the unforgiveable sin so that, indeed, you are wasting your time. Regardless, it is more than evident that he is unregenerate and appears to possess the reprobate mind to which Romans refers. I’m praying that God gives you discernment regarding him and any and all others like him. Your time would be much better spent in interaction with someone who is earnestly seeking the Truth.

          • LadyLoneStar

            Thank you, Wesley. You are exactly right. Have a blessed day.

          • LadyLoneStar

            “…I don’t doubt your sincerity and your acceptance of the Chris”…Christ.

            Other than your spelling error….you are exactly correct. I agree.

          • Zay

            You seem to like quoting the bible and the problem with that is that he bible says a lot of ridiculous things. Here’s a quote from it and I’ll say this, I don’t believe in your “One true God” nor any God. However if your correct and he dose exist I think overall he seems like a cruel, egotistical, arrogant being and I would not wish to be welcomed by him.
            “Therefore fathers shall eat their sons in the midst of you and sons shall eat their fathers…I will send famine and wild beasts against you and they shall rob you of your children; pestilence and blood shall pass through you; and I will bring a sword upon you. I, the Lord, have spoken.”
            Ezekiel 5:10, 5:17

          • LadyLoneStar

            Why do you deem it necessary to tell me you don’t believe in God? That is your opinion/problem not mine.

            You don’t “know” Him. He is loving, He even loves you, Zay.

            Let me ask you some questions…..do/did your parents love you? Did they discipline you when you did something wrong or something that was detrimental to your safety? Did they correct you when you were doing something you shouldn’t be doing?

          • Zay

            I was more wondering how you can choose certain passages of the bible to make your points when so much of it is either illogical or just makes out God to be an evil being. I personally don’t consider it a problem that I don’t believe in him or that you do. What I consider a problem is misusing the bible to prove your points such as your earlier ones about abortion and homosexuality. You say I don’t know him but I think you know him less than you think if you believe your God would love me. According to he bible God does not love those who sin and I break one of the ten commandments by not believing in him.
            Lev. 20:23, “Moreover, you shall not follow the customs of the nation which I shall drive out before you, for they did all these things, and therefore I have abhorred them.”

            I honestly don’t understand why you asked me those questions at the end. The only reason I could think of is that your trying to run away from the issue by asking me random and off topic questions that have nothing to do with this.

          • LadyLoneStar

            You are so wrong. God LOVES everyone…..God HATES sin….not the sinner. You can continue to pull bits and pieces outta the Bible until you’re blue in the face and your point isn’t made.

            Answer the questions.

          • Zay

            I have seen quite a few passages that imply and outright state that God can indeed hate people. I won’t quote them because you have shown your hypocrisy, why can you pick and choose quotes from the bible and I can’t? Because they are ones you disagree with? That prove you wrong? Why is my point not made but yours supposedly was when you quoted the bible?
            Can you tell me why those questions are relevant to this? If so I might answer them.

          • LadyLoneStar

            Just answer the questions.

          • LadyLoneStar

            Well….maybe you should “see” and read all the other passages where God is love.

          • Martin G.

            That is because there is a world of difference between “religious belief” and “relationship with the Creator”. Most people fail to make that distinction, as you have done. Would you say that ‘reading a book about someone’ is the same thing as ‘having a relationship with someone’? Well, neither would I. That’s why I’m NOT religious, and yet am a believer, because I have met and spoken with the Lord Jesus Christ. You see, He is a REAL person, not just a historical figure. Perhaps it’s time you found out more about this “person” of God. But first you’d have to wrap your head around the notion that He is NOT a religion.

          • Lisa Angel

            I think I just threw up a little. Close and personal relationship with an imaginary being? Lady, someone should call the men in the white coats for you.

          • LadyLoneStar

            Maybe they should be called for you.

          • makn75

            If you read the bible it doesn’t really appear that god has a problem with abortion, on the contrary. Try reading Numbers 5:27

          • LadyLoneStar

            Abortion is murder…God definitely has a “problem” with that.

          • LadyLoneStar

            Num 5:27 And when he has made her drink the water, then, if she has defiled herself and has broken faith with her husband, the water that brings the curse shall enter into her and cause bitter pain, and her womb shall swell, and her thigh shall fall away, and the woman shall become a curse among her people.

            What?

          • makn75

            I am not sure what your “what?” is aimed at as it should be quite obvious that when god demands an act that provoke a miscarriage, he naturally can’t be said to be against abortion.

          • LadyLoneStar

            You are a fool. This particular instance in the Bible, Number 5:27 wasn’t that the woman was pregnant and God caused her to abort.

            Numbers 5:27

            ‘And when he has made her drink the water, then it shall come about, if she be defiled, and have committed a trespass against her husband, that the water which causes the curse shall enter into her and be bitter, and her body shall swell, and her thigh shall fall away, and the woman shall be a curse among her people.’

            Having made her drink the water, the ceremony was then over and the consequences were left to God. She would leave the court of the Dwellingplace ostensibly an innocent woman, but all would know that if she was really guilty this would be revealed by what would follow. For if she was guilty and if she was defiled and was defiling the camp, the water would enter her and would be bitter, and, probably because of her deep sense of guilt, would also make her body swell and her uterus fall away and she would become a curse among the people. Being a curse among her people may simply mean that she was seen as cursed because she could produce no more children. Or it may signify her rejection by all decent people.

            The psychosomatic effect on a guilty woman of going through this ceremony as well as of lying before Yahweh would be horrendous and would certainly have huge effects on the responses of her body. It would probably cause what she expected to happen actually to happen.

            The result described could possibly signify that the woman had suffered a prolapsed uterus. In such a condition, which often occurs after multiple pregnancies, the pelvic floor collapses (in that case weakened by the pregnancies, and possibly in this case deeply affected and weakened by the trauma of her experience), and the uterus literally falls down. It may lodge in the vagina, or it may actually fall out of the body through the vagina. (It regularly happens to cattle and vets have to push it back in). If it does so, it becomes oedematous and swells up like a balloon. Conception becomes impossible, and the woman’s procreative life is effectively over.

            Alternatively the thought may be of a cancerous growth which would distend her stomach, affect her ability to bear children and make her infertile, and finally destroy her. Such cancerous growths do sometimes result from traumatic experiences.

            Others have thought in terms of a phantom pregnancy which makes the body swell up, but that does not seem dramatic enough for what is described here. Others have seen it as a serious miscarriage, or thrombophlebitis. But the point is that it would produce effects which would prevent her from further defiling sexual behaviour in the future, and would prevent her from childbirth.

            In the parallel in the chiasmus this condition contrasts with the spirit of jealousy which had taken hold of the husband. If his jealousy was justified this will be the result.

          • makn75

            She had been unfaithfully toward her husband and they had to get rid off the fetus. Unless you’re arguing that god is dense and not fully aware of the consequences of this sanction he issued, I cannot see how forcing a woman to do something that will make her miscarry isn’t an approval heroff. But of course, you could be right. Maybe the god character in the bible is dense. Personally I have always regarded him as either a narcissistic psychopath or maybe just a sadist with confidence issues. Of course, we need to remember that humanity hadn’t come that far at that point which is reflected in the god that man made in his own image .

          • LadyLoneStar

            Read the commentary I provided you. This is so ridiculously OFF TOPIC.

          • LadyLoneStar

            She wasn’t pregnant there, Sparky.

          • Lisa Angel

            Wow, so called Christians are ALWAYS the first to call names or get indignant and holier than thou.

          • LadyLoneStar

            Haha….you’re funny. (don’t quit your day job)

          • David Nathan Viger Jr

            With all due respect, calling someone an “angry, bitter little man” is not Christlike! I would find it hard to be attracted to a religion that would speak that way. Some of the best converts to Christianity were once non-believers, even the Apostle Paul who was previously Saul who vigorously attacked and persecuted Christians. Love and meekness and kindness and empathy is what attracts people to Christ, being as he was and is.

          • LadyLoneStar

            Did you read what he wrote? He comes across as a angry, bitter, little man…how is that Christlike or not? I’m not “trying to attract to a religion”. “Some of the best converts to Christianity”…ALL are converts. All of us are born into a sinful world. None of us are perfect….Christian or atheist. We are ALL human beings.

            Being a Christian doesn’t necessarily make you meek…there is the “I’m not perfect, and I don’t pretend to be” factor. But welcome to the judgment thread….have fun with it.

            BTW there is a huge difference between “being religious” and “having a personal relationship with Jesus Christ”. I’m not religious.

            Here’s some kindness for you, with all due respect, have a blessed day.

          • LadyLoneStar

            If you “think” Paul was a cowardly, wall flower…you don’t know the same Paul of the Bible I do. Maybe you need to stop judging me and look around.

          • David Nathan Viger Jr

            People’s decisions and actions bring pain, war and misery. If God took away that freedom to chose, and even to believe in him, there would be no reason for this life, no cause for faith.

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            REALLY? THINGS WHICH HAVE NO HUMAN CAUSE BRING PAIN AND MISERY! FLOODS, LAND SLIDES,
            VOLCANO’S, EARTHQUAKES ETC. THINGS WHICH A REAL ALL POWERFUL KIND CARING COMPASSIONATE FAIR AND JUST GOD WOULD NOT LET HAPPEN.

            A REAL ALL KNOWING AND ALL POWERFUL, CARING KIND, FAIR, JUST, COMPASSIONATE, AND GOOD GOD WOULD NOT CREATE LIFE FORMS WHICH HAVE TO KILL OTHER LIVING THINGS TO LIVE.

            SO YOUR GOD IS EITHER INCOMPETENT, OR VERY EVIL OR NOT REAL.

          • David Nathan Viger Jr

            Neil, I feel what you feel. Even Christ expressed the pain when his Father in Heaven had to withdraw from him on the cross so he could truly give his life, and not just have it taken.

          • https://disqus.com/home/channel/atheismftw/ Ian Cooper

            Either way, not worthy of regard, let alone worship.

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            KARL, YOU MAY LIKE MY REPLIES BELOW.

          • Nisism Levy

            if evolution is a myth then why are you so troubled by it?

          • LadyLoneStar

            I am not the troubled one here.

          • Nisism Levy

            and neither am I

          • Lisa Angel

            Prove he is not a myth. You can’t. end of story.

          • LadyLoneStar

            Answer the question. If God is a myth….why are you bothered by Him?

          • Lisa Angel

            Because the belief in this myth affects daily life. The burden of proof falls on the believer. Prove he exists without using the bible. It can’t be done.

          • LadyLoneStar

            Nope….the burden of proof falls on the “non believer” because the believer already believes meaning the believer has already proved why they believe. A believer knows He exists….you are the one who doesn’t.

            God’s existence is everywhere around you….you simply need to open your eyes and look. If you truly want to know how to prove His existence…ask for Him to guide you.

          • Lisa Angel

            No, the burden of proof falls on the believer. I believe unicorns exist but you don’t, I would need to prove to you that they do, same thing. Your answer is not acceptable as proof. Face it, it cannot be proved. As far as the earth around us, science honey.

          • LadyLoneStar

            You are continuing to be wrong. The believer already believes. You are obviously concerned about the belief of God because you keep asking for proof.

            Your belief in unicorns doesn’t even remotely interest me for proof because I couldn’t careless about unicorns.

            Science has proven that God must exist.

            BTW I am NOT your honey.

          • Lisa Angel

            Wow, you have really run out of ways to defend this fallacy that you live for. I mean, the believer already believes? really. NO, science has NEVER proven that any kind of God exists. There are 3800 other gods being worshiped throughout the world and you don’t believe in those I assume. But not yours, only yours exists. *eye roll*. This conversation is no longer worth any of my time. You live in a fantasy world HONEY. *ugh*. Have a nice fantasy life.

          • LadyLoneStar

            Do you believe the wind blows? Prove it…how does the air blow? How does your body “know” or “believe” it must breath air to survive?

            Science HAS proved God exists….you obviously cannot research correctly to find out.

            Conversation started out being a waste of my time because you are to closed minded to see your own folly.

          • Lisa Angel

            You cannot prove what has never been proven to begin with. Again, SCIENCE explains all the answers that you are asking. Science does not and cannot prove the existence of something imaginary and made up by man to control the masses. You are the proof that it works well. Mission accomplished. Sheep. Followers.

          • LadyLoneStar

            Where’s your proof? Show me.

          • Martin G.

            Listen, fluff-for-brains: you haven’t a clue what you are babbling about. All you know is what you’ve read in a few, arcane, shabby paperbacks written by reprobate, failed scholars. Some of us have actual real-life experience in meeting Jesus, Archangels and Angels, and have followed their directives and experienced miracles. And I’m not talking Jesus’ face on a toasted English Muffin. I’m talking revolutionary improvements in the lives of hopeless, lost souls who go on to find their life’s destiny and purpose. Please, take some brain-enhancing health supplements before trying to debate with people who actually know something. Otherwise just stick with your soap-opera starlets’ tips on hairstyles.

          • Martin G.

            And btw, I know more about every Science than you’ll ever learn from Oprah. If you had anything other than shit-for-brains, you’d understand that Jesus was expressing the principles of Quantum Physics more than 2000 years before any scientist even scratched the surface of the discipline. Other than that, got any handy make-up tips for us?

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          • Lisa Angel

            Oh butt…..let me leave the believer with a wonderful bible quote from your all loving “god”.
            You will be pledged to be married to a woman, but another will take her and rape her. You will build a house, but you will not live in it. You will plant a vineyard, but you will not even begin to enjoy its fruit. Your ox will be slaughtered before your eyes, but you will eat none of it. Your donkey will be forcibly taken from you and will not be returned. Your sheep will be given to your enemies, and no one will rescue them. . . . The Lord will afflict your knees and legs with painful boils that cannot be cured, spreading from the soles of your feet to the top of your head.Deuteronomy 28:30-31,35

          • LadyLoneStar

            Maybe you should read the Bible with an open heart, one that is searching for the truth rather than one that only wants to take snippets out of the Bible and out of the complete context of the story.

          • LadyLoneStar

            I guess the same “rules” you placed for me not to “use the Bible”, don’t apply to you. You are such a hypocrite.

          • Part Dilly

            We can not solve problems while most of the planet prays to a myth so we try to get some common sense into the brains of the prayers and just actually try other solutions than asking a myth for an answer. That is some of the reason

          • LadyLoneStar

            You’re sad, truly you are. You follow the “pack” simply because they tell you to. Don’t you want to research and search for the truth for yourself?

          • Part Dilly

            You can’t research for the truth that you assume is out there because it’s not a truth and I have done research with the five senses I was born with to determine whether or not there is a god and I think it shows me that he has yet to exist. i choose to live this way because religion simply tells you to live your life following certain rules in order to go to magical place after you die. I as an atheist could care less about a magical place that has yet to be real, so therefore I try to live my physically moral life to my fullest without a 2000 year old book telling me what to do.

          • LadyLoneStar

            You couldn’t be farther from the truth…”five senses” and “religion simply tells you to live your life…” Indeed, Part, you are truly sad. SMH By relaying on your own “understanding”, you miss the truth and the real beauty of the truth. “It’s” not something you search for the knowledge of, “it’s” much deeper, purer and richer than that. It’s amusing that you, as an atheist, “live your life following certain rules in order…” …thinking it’s some kind of magic or something. There isn’t “magic”, Part. There comes a time in everyone’s life when you have a strong “pull” to fill a void in your lonely life…you will search and search (using your logic, your taught understanding of what is, your “research”) but “it’s” not “something”…..”it’s” MORE! I hope and pray you find “it” before your final breath….you and all your sad and lost atheist friends.

          • https://disqus.com/home/channel/atheismftw/ Ian Cooper

            “If God is a myth….why are you so troubled by Him?”

            Because…

            2015 12 26 In Arizona, 39-year-old Anitra Braxton is arrested for the Christmas Eve shooting and killing of pregnant 20-year-old Crystal Hillman, who was killed because she did not believe in God. Braxton kept the body on her couch as a “shrine from God”.

            2016 01 06 In Kentucky, 49 Year-old Laura Reid is arrested for beating a disabled man in his home last October, because he did not believe in God. The man was forced to crawl to a local gas station to get help. He suffered serious injuries, including a concussion and a broken arm.

            God doesn’t trouble me. His lunatic fans trouble me.

          • LadyLoneStar

            LOUISVILLE, Ky. (WDRB) — A woman was arrested at the Hall of Justice in downtown Louisville Tuesday afternoon, months after police say she assaulted and robbed a man after he joked that he did not believe in God.

            According to an arrest warrant, the incident took place on Oct. 20.

            Police say that 49-year-old Laura Reid was visiting a disabled man in his home. At one point, police say, Reid asked the victim if he believed in God, and he jokingly replied that he did not.

            According to an arrest warrant, Reid became angry with his response, so she picked up his metal cane and began beating him on the head and body, hitting him so hard that the cane broke.

            Police say the victim was unable to leave his home because of his disability, and Reid stayed there for three hours after the assault. When she finally left, she allegedly took the man’s cell phone, keys, $50 cash and a wallet containing credit cards.

            Police say the man eventually crawled to a nearby gas station, where police and EMS were called. The man was taken to St. Mary and Elizabeth Hospital, where he was treated for injuries he sustained, including a concussion, a broken arm, multiple bruises, as well as cuts and abrasions.

            The victim was eventually able to cancel his credit cards — and identify Reid, who was known to him, according to police.

            A warrant was issued for Reid’s arrest on Thursday, Oct. 29. She was arrested by Jefferson County Sheriff’s Office deputies on Tuesday, Jan. 5, at the Hall of Justice. She is charged with second degree assault, second degree robbery, and first degree unlawful imprisonment.

            What makes you “think” this psycho is a Christian? The article doesn’t say that….it does say that she ROBBED him after beating him. (interesting “little” tidbit you conveniently left out)

            You want to go that route? Okay….how about– These are all JUST in the USA:

            ROSEBURG, Ore.
            Reports: UCC Shooter Asked Victims Their Religion, Then Killed The Christians

            18 church shootings in 11 years in America —

            June 17, 2015 Charleston, South Carolina Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church

            February 14, 2010 – Richmond, California

            March 8, 2009 – Maryville, Illinois

            July 27, 2008 – Knoxville, Tennessee

            Dec. 9, 2007 – Colorado

            May 20, 2007 – Moscow, Idaho

            Aug. 12, 2007 – Neosho, Missouri

            May 21, 2006 – Baton Rouge, Louisiana

            Feb. 26, 2006 – Detroit, Michigan

            April 9, 2005 – College Park, Georgia

            March 12, 2005 – Brookfield, Wisconsin

            July 30, 2005 – College Park, Georgia

            Dec. 17, 2004, Garden Grove, Calif

            Oct. 5, 2003 – Atlanta, Georgia

            June 10, 2002 – Conception, Missouri

            March 12, 2002 – Lynbrook, New York

            May 18, 2001 – Hopkinsville, Kentucky

            Sept. 15, 1999 – Fort Worth, Texas

            April 15, 1999 – Salt Lake City, Utah

            There are people murdered all over the world because they believe Jesus Christ is their savior – which is the ONLY definition of a “Christian”. Ian, here’s a little advise for you…people (wait for it) LIE about being a Christian, an atheist, a good person….all the time, be careful and research for yourself before you “choose” to believe in something.

            So the measly two you’ve staked your claim of “His lunatic fans”, don’t come close in comparison.

          • https://disqus.com/home/channel/atheismftw/ Ian Cooper

            The difference between your list and mine is that the victims on my list were killed and injured by people who were obeying Christian holy texts.

            It’s very convenient for you to claim that the only Christians who do bad things are people who are lying about being Christians. But it’s a very weak argument, when we consider that such people are following Biblical laws such as that found in Chronicles 15:13.

            If anyone is “lying” about being Christian, it’s those who ignore the nastiest teachings of the Bible and pretend it’s all about love. I suspect that includes you.

          • LadyLoneStar

            It’s real “convenient” that your “list” doesn’t even suggest that Reid claimed she was a Christian. “My list” has body counts on it….just didn’t record how many. I said no such thing that “Christians who do bad things are people who are lying”. I said (because it’s obvious you didn’t read WHAT I posted) “Ian, here’s a little advise for you…people (wait for it) LIE about being a Christian, an atheist, a good person….all the time, be careful and research for yourself before you “choose” to believe in something.”
            Evil is everywhere, Ian, because the earth is “governed” by Satan. Your reference is after the Old Testament, before Jesus Christ died and rose again for your sins. I suggest that you actually READ the entire HOLY BIBLE….instead of picking and choosing what someone else said or has said it says or what you’ve heard. Start with the New Testament, read the ENTIRE story, not just one or two verses. The Ten Commandments are what “should be” followed when you are a Christian. Just because you are a Christian, doesn’t make you perfect or better than anyone else and it doesn’t make you never, ever sin again.

          • Martin G.

            Then you are truly a hypocrite, Ian, because you failed to recognize that the mass shootings that took place at many schools in recent years were all carried out by atheists, and yet rather than be “troubled” by “lunatic fans” of atheism, you chose to use the crimes of so-called Christians as an excuse to reject Christ. You have NO excuse for your beliefs, Ian, because YOU HAVE CHOSEN YOUR PATH WILLINGLY, regardless of the true facts. You are what the Bible calls “WILLINGLY IGNORANT”. Do you really think you can hide from the One True God forever? You’re in for a big shock when you leave this world, dude. Smell the coffee BURNING!

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            AS THAT IS A LIE, YOU ARE A LIAR!

          • Martin G.

            You only wish, Neil. You only wish.

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            BULL SHIT CHILD!

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            UNLESS YOU CAN PRESENT THE FACTUAL PROOF ALL THE SHOOTERS WERE ATHEISTS, YOU ARE LYING!

          • Martin G.

            Just read the newspapers, Neil.

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            I KEEP UP WITH THE NEWS AND HAVE SEEN NO SUCH REPORTS. AND AS YOU CAN NOT PROVIDE ANY PROOF, IT IS JUST ANOTHER CHRIATIAN LIE ABOUT ATHEISTS.

          • Martin G.

            I see, and since you have not seen such reports, then it’s not true, right Neil? Just like the way that God doesn’t exist because YOU haven’t experienced Him yet.

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            IT IS NOT TRUE YOU STUPID PROGRAMED CHRISTIAN ROBOT ASSHOLE BECAUSE IT IS A LIE!

            WHAT THIS BRITSH LADY SINGS IS WHAT I SAY TO YOU AND THE REST OF YOU STUPID LOW LIFE, NO ETHICS, NO HONOR, NO INTEGRITY AND NO MPRALS LYING CHRISTIANS! https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=youtube+KELLY+FOX+BRITIAN%27S+GOT+TALENT&view=detail&mid=69E7A458810411BE050369E7A458810411BE0503&FORM=VIRE

          • Martin G.

            Neil you really need to bring your blood pressure down. You’re gonna have an aneurysm if you keep this up.

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            YOUR IDIOT COMMENTS ONLY CONTINUE TO PROVE THAT AS YOU ARE INCAPABLE OF PROVING WHAT I SAY IS LOGICALLY AND/OR FACTUALLY WRONG, YOU STOOP TO SAY TOTALLY STUPID THINGS LIKE THOSE ABOVE. YOU ARE SUCH A TOTAL LOSER!

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            YOU GOING TO TELL US THE GUY WHO BOMBED GAY BARS HEALTH CLINICS AND THE OLYMPICS IN ATLANA, WAS AN ATHEIST? HOW ABOUT THE GUYS WHO FLEW AIRPLANES IN TO BUILDINGS?

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            “the mass shootings that took place at many schools in recent years were all carried out by atheists” IS A LIE! YOU HAVE ZERO PROOF IT IS TRUE! WHILE THE SHOOTERS MAY BE CLUELESS CLODS OF THE LOONY LEFT AND BE LIBERALS, IT DOES NOT MEAN THEY ARE ATHEISTS.

          • https://disqus.com/home/channel/atheismftw/ Ian Cooper

            The mass shootings were NOT carried out by atheists. I realize that’s what Christians like to believe, but it’s not true.

            As for your assertion that I’m “hiding from God”, only a person who didn’t truly believe in God would make that accusation. After all, if he was real, there would be no way to hide from him at all. The idea that you think I think it would be possible to hide from god shows that you don’t really believe in your god.

            There is no god. I know it, and deep down, you know it too.

          • Martin G.

            Ian, give your head a shake. One of the shooters literally asked his victims if they were Christians before he shot them. Others were found to have atheist literature and writings at their homes after they shot themselves. Are you in denial? Btw, “deep down” I know there is most definitely a God, because I SPOKE WITH HIM IN PERSON, and also received directives from His Angels and witnessed the resultant miracles in the lives of many people, proven over decades of time. So I don’t know what you are babbling about, and I suspect you don’t either. Having zero evidence or proof, you are simply the holder of an opinion, and opinions are worthless without anything to back them up.

          • Mike Boone

            I worry about people who think God speaks to them. TV preacher Pat Robertson regularly “hears” messages from God. And more than 30 years ago Pat announced that God told him there would be a nuclear war in the 1980s. So be very careful there, Martin, because God just doesn’t seem to give people very accurate information. Of course, the bible itself, already does a good job in demonstrating that.
            And remember Martin, when one talks to God, that’s called praying. But when a person thinks that God talks to him that’s usually defined as schizophrenia.

          • Martin G.

            Mike, you have FAR BIGGER things to worry about than other people. Where the Hell are you going after you pass away from this life? Because you will need a place to go, and if you don’t know Jesus, you won’t be allowed into His Kingdom. You had better do some SERIOUS thinking about this, because the ONLY other option is very frightening:

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnWccqofFXI

          • Mike Boone

            Martin, you’re correct, of course, that many things are of far greater concern than other people’s comments. If you could ever convince me that Jesus Christ is real, and is the divine savior, your work still wouldn’t even be 10% complete. Because then you would have to provide a sensible explanation for why Jesus and his daddy obviously don’t care about the helpless little kids, as well as women, who are continually abducted, raped, and tortured in this world while Christ & Pops casually look on, while not lifting a finger to stop the mayhem and the suffering.

            Suppose one day, while walking in the middle of a forest, I came upon a big clearing, in which a man was raping and torturing a little kid. Let’s also suppose that I had a fully loaded 9mm Glock strapped to my side, so that I had the ability to come to the child’s aid, while such an action would pose no risk to my own safety. However, instead of helping, I just stand behind a large tree and watch for an hour while the pervert alternates between molesting the kid and carving the number 13 into the child’s face with a knife, because the poor kid was his 13th victim. Finally, the sicko is done and from my hidden position I just allow him to walk away. However, I do lift up and carry the badly injured child to a nearby hospital, where he ends up surviving. But though neither the child nor the rapist had known that I had been hidden nearby, it turns out that people high up in a hot air balloon recorded the last few minutes of the horror with a very powerful telephoto lens, which also clearly showed me watching from behind that tree, on the videotape.
            Later, that tape provides undeniable evidence in identifying me as a creep who did nothing to stop the child from being harmed, so I’m prosecuted under the Good Samaritan law, and sent to prison, which I would deserve.

            You see Martin, one who just continues to watch while vicious actions are hurting someone, when he has the ability to stop the commission of such harm, is actually about as bad as the criminal who is committing the crime.

            If Jesus and his daddy actually existed they would have to be about as evil as the sort of criminal that I just imagined, because every day in this world, little kids and women who are suffering terrible abuse, cry out in prayer for help, but receive none.

            Maybe neurological scientist Sam Harris expressed my basic idea even better in a statement he made not long after I came up with the example that I just described. Mr Harris was discussing the Nazi Holocaust, and we are all aware of the awful suffering in the squalid concentration camps, including horrible Nazi experiments on little children, that went on over a period of years. In addition to millions of Jews, many Polish Catholics, as well as Slavs, of all faiths, suffered through that horror.
            As Mr Harris said, the people said countless millions of prayers over the years, that the horror might cease.
            Harris then noted that if a God actually exists, all of the years that such a God allowed that obscene horror to continue, means that one of 2 things would seem to be true.
            Either #1: God did not have the ability to end the horror, meaning that God is impotent.
            Or possibility #2 is that God just didn’t care to stop the horror and suffering, meaning that God is evil.
            (Certainly, those years of the Holocaust didn’t provide any indication of, or evidence for, a good God.)

            Anyway, Martin, if a 7 year old, who knows how to pray, is crying out to God in prayer, for help, while being raped and tortured in the woods, and a being named Jesus and his father, simply watch without coming to the child’s aid, they are effectively behaving like beings who don’t posess any moral authority to be judging anyone. Because, aside from the rapist, in the middle of a deep forest, Jesus and his daddy would be the only ones who would hear those crying prayers for help, and would also be the only ones who could aid the helpless child.

            In my view, Martin, a God cannot possibly be a loving father if he puts a child in this world, but then abandons the child by taking no action to help, even though there’s no one else around that can hear the child’s cries or prayers, and provide any chance for help.

            It really is true, in so many instances, that if one refuses to be part of a solution, then he is part of the problem. A God that just sits in heaven (or wherever) and simply watches as the helpless undergo torture, is hardly better than the criminal that he is allowing to commit that torture.

            It is so sad to read so many accounts of these horrible crimes committed against the helpless, while miracles from above, or anywhere else, never seem to be present. That is undeniable proof that the bible’s claim that God has a special love for the little children, is absolutely false. After all, with love like that, hate would just seem to be redundant.

            But Martin, the thing that’s especially sad about Christians is that you folks just fail to realize that any being who would just sit on his or her ass, and do nothing, while seeing that helpless women and little children are being raped and tortured, could not possibly be a good and moral being. I hope someday that most Christians can begin to understand that they have been getting on their knees out of respect for a being who would not only be undeserving of such devotion if he actually existed, but whose moral character could not possibly be much better than that of a child molester.

            So let me just close this out, Martin, by saying that I simply have much higher standards for what a supreme being, or a loving God, should be, than the petty, cruel and sadistic figure of the bible that seems to impress Christians.

            Still, it does amaze me that any Christian can dispute the obvious fact that any being who would watch and do nothing while some of the helpless little creatures he created are subjected to the most vile and vicious acts, just can’t be someone who we can honestly describe as either a supreme, or a loving, being, but certainly, is one that is sick and heartless.

          • Martin G.

            Mike, the very fact that you have nothing good to say about God and His servants is CONCRETE PROOF THAT YOU ARE that lame-assed, lily-livered chicken-shit with his fully-loaded Glock who stood by in the woods as a child was being raped AND DID ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!!! Ever since I met Jesus over forty years ago, He has done NOTHING BUT send me to help the needy, and that is exactly what I have been doing for all this time!! And all the while YOU sit there in your greasy armchair, watching kiddie porn and eating fatty foods and criticizing the servants of the Living God! At the end of your life, you will have to answer to Almighty God, and when you have nothing to say for yourself, you will be sent to that special place in Hell that is reserved for fat-assed hypocrites where you will be tortured ‘night and day’, as it says in the Bible. Meanwhile, I will be sitting up in Heaven playing my Harp and watching you burn in eternal torment as I warm my toes on your burning flesh. May God damn you to Hell, Mike. You richly deserve it.

          • Mike Boone

            Martin, I feel sad for you because obviously you don’t realize that an actual Christian, as you claim to be, would neither use your type of language, nor judge a person like me whom you don’t even know. But, nevertheless, I do hope that you and yours will have a safe and very Merry Christmas.
            But I also realize that though I didn’t require the use of foul language to offer by critique of the God myth, you had to sink to the level of using it in debating me because your ideas and your ability to fashion a reasonable argument just aren’t as strong or as compelling as my own. When a person claiming to be touched by Jesus sinks to using foul and insulting language it is obvious that such a person is getting frustrated as he sees that he has the weaker, less logical, argument.

            But I thought that “knowing Jesus” is supposed to give someone the kind of strength that allows him to be able to avoid the kind of offensive behavior that you have exhibited.

            Anyway, you folks have a safe New Years celebration, although, since you already use foul language, I really hope that you won’t add to your transgressions, and endanger innocent people, by drinking and driving.

            Take care there, my almost Christian friend.

          • Martin G.

            Mike, your bland platitudes don’t impress me at all, nor, I suspect, do they impress the Lord. After you come down from your self-important narcosis and actually DO something in the way of helping needy souls as the servants of God do tirelessly, year after year, THEN I may be willing to listen to your narcissistic opinion of things. But until then, you are just another useless, hypocritical unbeliever whose own opinion of yourself is far above God’s estimation of your worth.

          • Mike Boone

            Well, Martin, since seeing Protestant Christians blowing up Catholic Christians (and vice versa) in the Ireland of the mid-1960s, while I was in the 8th grade, I have never been impressed with the lord you Christians believe in. But fortunately for mankind, that cruel, sadistic, and vile god that you believe in was only created by ignorant and superstitious men.
            Your lord would have to lack compassion and be quite cruel since all throughout the thousands of years that people have murdered each other in disputing whose god is supposedly the true one, your lord, if he were to actually be real, has been quite content to let the murders in his name continue.
            Recently, Martin, I was inspired to have an idea while watching the scene in The Ten Commandments, in which Charlton Heston, as Moses, witnesses the power of the lord burning the words of the commandments into the stone tablets.
            The idea that scene gave me is that if god exists and really cares about man knowing the truth about him, then he could work a miracle right now which would consist of him instantly burning or engraving a message that would contain the truth concerning which sort of god he really is, and what he expects of us, on the surface of every government building and library in the world, with that message obviously being in the language used in each locality.
            Wouldn’t you agree, Martin, that your lord should want everyone to have an accurate understanding of what type of being he really is and exactly what he requires of man.

            But as a former fundamentalist minister, who used to believe that the King James bible is literally true, said 2 years ago, if a god wanted humans to know which god he is, and understand exactly what he requires of man, then he would have come up with something much better, as well as less confusing, than the so called holy bible. That man also pointed out that if you were to take several different ministers who were all educated together at a place like Moody Bible Institute, then question each minister separately about some of the more ambiguous and tough to decipher sections of the bible, the answers that the ministers would provide to explain many of these biblical passages would not only be different, but would strongly disagree with each other. And this helps explain why many people I know who claim to be Christians never even bother to open up their bibles.
            And it’s because most church goers depend on their preachers to inform them about the bible’s contents, that accounts for how ministers routinely get away with calling the bible “the good book”. While promoting the bible, most ministers function just like used car salesmen, by promoting its positive features, while never mentioning its negative ones. Thomas Paine was the great American patriot whose January 1776 publication “Common Sense” advocated American colonists breaking away from England, and was a major factor in our founding fathers declaring independence from England on July 4 1776.
            But Thomas Paine is also famous for his book “The Age of Reason”, which he wrote in the 1790s. In that book, Paine does a thorough critique of the bible, and after detailing the many sick, sadistic, and cruel outrages contained in the bible that it presents its god as approving of, and supposedly, even ordering, Paine finally concludes that it would be much more fitting to say that a demon was responsible for compiling the writings and claims of the bible, rather than it actually being the product of any decent being who is morally superior to man.
            Yeah, Martin, you’ll never sell me the nonsense that your “lord” could be good when his own supposed guide for living, the bible, clearly shows him giving the Hebrews the rules for the proper way to buy, sell, and keep slaves. The quick and true response to that subject is that there is no “right way” to buy, sell, or own another human being. So obviously no highly intelligent being was the author of such biblical instructions, but rather, they were produced by a cruel and ignorant boob, who also, no doubt, believed that the sun and all of the other “heavenly bodies” revolve around the earth, just as the bible claims that they do. Naturally, the people who wrote the bible assumed (wrongly) that our world must be the center of everything in the universe, since they also believed that a god had placed his highest creation, man, on this planet.

            Well, you’ll have to excuse me now, Martin, because we are just about to put in the Blu-ray of one of my top favorites among movies, 1946’s “It’s A Wonderful Life”, with the late, and definitely great, Jimmy Stewart. You see, even a non-believer like me can get a huge amount of enjoyment from a movie that has terrific characters that were created by people giving heartfelt performances, even if the film includes a lovable angel named Clarence who literally comes down from heaven. What a great movie!!
            I hope that you and yours can all have the type of Christmas enjoyment with family and friends that my wife and I are about to have. We are both 65, and retired.

            You all have a very merry, and safe, Christmas and New Year.

          • Martin G.

            Thank you Mike, for proving to everyone reading this exactly how stupid and hypocritical you are. You just compared me with a group of murderous religious zealots. That is called BIGOTRY, Mike. It’s the same reasoning racist bigots use to justify killing innocent blacks, just because a different black person was a criminal. Congratulations, you have earned yourself a prominent position in the ranks of the world’s stupidest people! Enjoy your new status!

          • Mike Boone

            Please Martin, try not to resort to phony outrage. No where in my posts have I said that you are a murderous religious zealot. But you are simply upset because you have no good or sensible rebuttal to my point that the bible itself makes it plain, in no uncertain terms, that the god of that book is presented as a blood thirsty sadist who orders mass slaughters of people, (including the murder of toddlers and pregnant women) as well as other disgusting acts that no decent human ruler would ever sink low enough, morally, to ever order anyone to undertake.
            Too busy with Christmas to look up the exact passage, but in one book of the bible, after the Israelites defeat a rival nation, according to the myth presented in the bible, god then orders that the Israelite soldiers kill all of the men and boys that they took captive, as well as kill every captive woman who has known a man. So the bible is saying that god even wanted every mother, as well as every married woman, to be slaughtered by his supposedly “chosen people”. But what is also interesting, as well as being quite sick and obscene, is that the bible claims that god told the Hebrews to allow just one category of captives to live, and that group was the young maidens. Regarding those young girls, the bible claims that god told the soldiers of Israel that they could take those maidens and do what they wanted with them, as in use them sexually.
            Here, in the 21st century, Martin, it’s simply shocking to realize that there are still bible believing Christians like you who can praise the god of the bible for supposedly being so wonderful, when the very book that your god supposedly wrote shows him giving permission to the soldiers of Israel to rape the young girls that they capture.
            But considering all of that, my friend, you actually have the nerve to call me stupid!?

            And, by the way, Stephen Hawking, the British scientific genius generally considered to be among the world’s most intelligent people (many say Hawking is THE most intelligent.) agrees with my view that god and religion are both totally man made absurdities. And Hawking is in full agreement with Albert Einstein’s statement that said “Most of the bible is childish superstition.
            Christians sometimes make the false claim that Einstein believed in god. That claim was answered by Professor Einstein in a letter in which he explained that his use of the term god was in no way related to the way religious people understand that word. And he said that he certainly didn’t believe in a supreme being that would be so petty as to be concerned with judging mankind. Einstein when on to further mention that although he was proud of his Jewish heritage, it was a false claim for the Old Testament to say that the Jews were the “chosen people”, and that the Old Testament only named the Israelites as being the chosen people because the ancient Israelites were the very people who wrote those passages in the Old Testament.

            Yeah, Martin, people like Einstein and Hawking provide solid support for the contention that I heard my late brother make a few times, which was basically, that as a rule, (with a small % of exceptions) the more intelligent a person is, the less likely he or she is to accept superstitious beliefs like a god who is claimed to watch over us.

            Only America’s most brilliant scientists manage to attain membership to The National Academy of Sciences. A survey of the membership of this renowned organization revealed that 93% of its members reject the belief in a personal god. And I imagine that many of those who are among the remaining 7% only refrain from rejecting such superstition because they don’t want to cause offense and hurt the feelings of religious parents and grandparents, who they love. But these scientists spend their lives studying the workings of the universe from the level of extremely tiny sub-atomic particles, all the way to that of distant stars that are thousands of times as large as our sun.
            And as disappointing as it must be to you, Martin, so far, these brilliant people have found absolutely no credible evidence that any being that bears any similarity to the god of the bible is responsible for the creation of the universe, billions of years ago, or for the workings of the various parts of the universe as they are seen functioning today.
            Yup, I’ll take evidence over blind faith and superstition, any day. But that’s just how intelligent people approach life in this world.
            At some other time, Martin, I’ll list some of the many statements in the bible that modern science has proven to be absolutely wrong.
            As for me supposedly being hypocritical, you might as well have claimed that I’m a Martian, because that would make as much sense. I’m not even sure that you know what the word hypocritical actually means since I’m always consistent in criticizing superstitions, their close cousins, religions, as well as any other absurd ideas or beliefs that can’t withstand a logical, fact based analysis.

            One last thing, Martin, is that you should be aware that most readers of this forum are laughing at you every time that you label me as being stupid. Because it is quite evident that any English professor would rate the level of sophistication of my writing as being considerably higher than your own more basic way of trying to express yourself. But in spite of now having had to end this post on a relatively sour note by being so blunt with you, nevertheless, I still hope that this Christmas for you and your loved ones, will be a happy one that will long live in the memories of you and your family members.
            When people attack me I tend to strike back pretty hard to defend myself, especially if the attack seems unjustified. But it has never been a goal of mine to create hurt feelings, and I’d rather that people I have arguments with be able to enjoy their lives, as I wish to, rather than dwell on whatever negative points were raised.

            So I’m really not being hypocritical by expressing my genuine wish that all of you there will be able to kick back, relax, and enjoy a very Merry Christmas together.

            Take care.

          • Martin G.

            Mike, you ramble on about these things as though they were profoundly shocking, recent discoveries. The truth is, they were plainly obvious to many of us when we were but children. We’ve moved on down the road since then. Wa-a-ay down the road. Now I understand why you struggle with the claims I have stated: it is because you are only just beginning to scratch the surface of the nature of reality. So until you actually understand the things you talk about, we have nothing to discuss. I am light-years ahead of you in that regard, so naturally you are going to have issues with anything I say. It’s best if you simply admit that you are vastly outclassed in this discussion, and enjoy your Christmas with the people who are willing to put up with your stunted mentality. I have much, MUCH more important things to do. Merry Christmas, Mike. And try not to think too much.

          • Mike Boone

            Martin, I’m glad that you and I have both reduced the heat of our rhetoric.
            But regarding your mention of things that “were plainly obvious to many of us when we were but children”, as you stated it, I’m afraid that those obvious realizations don’t stay with many people as they become adults.
            You are right, Martin, that most people move “wa-a-ay” down the road. But that’s the problem, because in so moving they begin sugar coating the image of a god by forgetting that certain sections of the bible that Christians would prefer to avoid reveal the god of Abraham, Moses, and Jesus to be nothing but a vile dictator, possesing no higher a morality than Adolph Hitler. But this is the only way that people can remain religious and continue to praise god, by always pretending that the god of the bible is a character, who if real, contains much evil in his character.
            To express my theme, it it’s most basic way, (without rambling) most non-believers, such as myself, expect that if any god is to truly fit the definition of “Supreme Being”, then he obviously must be morally superior to humans. But over and over again, in the bible, the god you believe in, Martin, repeatedly exhibits behavior that would not even be worth of a man or woman who has the most minimal standards of decency.
            I’m merely saying, Martin, that we non-believers obviously have much higher standards for what the character of a true supreme being would have to be, than those faithful believers who think there god is wonderful merely because they have constantly repeated such false praise until they have grown to believe it.
            Religious belief is a perfect example that proves the old saying that if a lie is repeated often enough people start to believe it.
            When I was a teenager and went to Lutheran church services and saw how the people had to repeat the same words of the service every single Sunday, I suddenly realized that religion was employing the same technique that was used to accomplish the political brainwashing that was being done by the Soviet and Chinese Communists.
            I ask you Martin, (though you won’t answer my question) do you really think that a truly Supreme Being would want people to waste their time constantly repeating the same statements of praise about him. That would have to be one truly insecure being if he needs us little people to constantly tell him how great he is. If there was a god that created the entire universe he would be so great that no praise could make him any greater, and he would realize that it was only being offered out of fear, anyway.

            The very idea that a being who created everything would want or need praise, just indicates the primitive thinking of the ancient, fearful people who first came up with the notion that a creator would need to be worshiped.

            I can assure you, Martin, that any being great enough to create the universe would be far beyond the mortal need of having his ego stroked. Human kings may want, and need, you to kiss their rings, but a true Supreme Being would be much more advanced than that, and wouldn’t care whether anyone praised him or not.

            In other words, many humans require others to idolize and worship them to feel fulfilled, but a real god would be far beyond such petty human requirements.

            Anyhow, once again, Martin, I’m very grateful that we have both seemed to have calmed down in how we are expressing our viewpoints to each other. I mean, if people can’t discuss their disagreements in a relatively polite, civilized way, then what’s the point of communicating in the first place? So my early New Year’s resolution is to not allow statements about me, or my viewpoint, that bother me, or seem offensive, to succeed in pushing me in the negative direction of being deliberately insulting, a direction I regret having embarked on in some previous postings.

            Well, I have to go now, but you folks have a nice Christmas, as well as a safe and Happy New Year.

          • Martin G.

            One final reply before I sign off: Mike, you talk about religion as though it has anything to do with me. It does not. I’ve stated numerous times that I rejected religion from a very young age. I’ve never studied theology. I rarely set foot in a church. However, I have both met and spoken with Jesus, and have received directives from several Angels, which led to miraculous improvements in the lives of the people I was sent by them to help. All of your concepts about what I “believe” are misguided, and tragically colored by your perceptions of reality according to the way you have been indoctrinated throughout your life. I never received indoctrination; I refused it. I wanted to discover FOR MYSELF what the truth is. I found it. Jesus is the most amazing, loving, awe-inspiring person I have ever met. Any preconceived notions you may have about Him are unfortunately mistaken. Until you meet Him, you will never understand. He is God. He is the best friend you could ever have. He is the Savior of Mankind. There is NONE other like Him. Not even close. End of story. I hope you also have a fabulous Christmas and I wish you the best in the New Year. Cheers and God bless.

          • Mike Boone

            Martin, I appreciate you setting me straight by correcting my erroneous assumption about you, by your stating, right at the top of your post, that religion does not have anything to do with you.

            This will make our further communications easier, as well as, certainly more meaningful.

            Also, since you don’t subscribe to a religion, I’m glad that means that you don’t think that a non-believer, like me, will be consigned to a Hell, after dying, just because, like more than two-thirds of the world’s people, I consider Jesus Christ, if he actually existed, to have been no more than a great teacher, and certainly not a divine savior.

          • Martin G.

            You know Mike, there is some stuff in the Bible that was either not meant to be taken literally, or was translated incorrectly or whatever. As a spiritual, and not religious, person I don’t concern myself TOO much with such details. The Bible even states that “the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life” (2 Cor. 3:6). So the Bible is saying right there, that it is more important to be SPIRITUAL in your approach to Christianity, rather than RELIGIOUS. Consequently, I don’t worry about IF, HOW or WHEN I get to Heaven. I’m a pragmatic realist. My attitude is, if there IS a God, then what does He require of me in the “here and now”? Well, I discovered that there certainly IS a God, and He has guided me to help a great many people over the years. Whether I receive a great mansion in Heaven after I die, or I live in a tent under some trees, I really don’t care. All I care about is what God is doing NOW, and He can sort all the rest of it out later. That way, I don’t go about making grand expectations about where I’ll end up when it’s all said and done. And it has worked for me. And continues to do so. I try to encourage others to likewise discover their destiny with Jesus, since it has worked out so well for me. And everyone will have a unique path with the Lord, since He made us all unique. Thanks for letting me yack at ya. I hope your New Year is the best, and may the Lord Jesus bless you richly. Cheers!

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            DON’T YOU FIND THE LYING CHRISTIANS LIKE THIS ASSHOLE MARTIN REPULISE? I SURE DO.

          • Kat Smith

            Atheists are not troubled by your imaginary friend. We are troubled that adults still believe in imaginary friends instead of using their intelligence and insight to banish the indoctrination they have undergone.

          • LadyLoneStar

            We will ALL see who is believing in the Real thing because we ALL die….that’s not “imaginary”, Kat. My hope is you get it figured out before your last breath on this earth.

          • https://disqus.com/home/channel/atheismftw/ Ian Cooper

            We have figured it out. You haven’t. When you die, you will rot. So will I. There is no afterlife because we are not unique snowflakes for whom a god has a special plan. We are animals. Animals die. End of story. People who are brave and willing to face the truth in the face of death accept this. People who are cowards don’t. We call the former “atheists” and the latter “theists”.
            Give up your god before it consumes your life. It’s a waste of time, and we only have so much time.

          • LadyLoneStar

            Believe what you want to believe, Ian. I’m not here to stop you…..likewise, you are NOT stopping me from believing in the One True God. So rest on your own morals, Ian. I’m still praying that you do find the TRUTH before your final breath.

            I don’t want to steal your hope or joy that you are obviously living with now in your oneness. You can save your breath on judging me and demanding that I “give up your God”. Maybe it’s you who should “give up YOUR god”.

          • Martin G.

            Ian, the fact that you truly believe there is no life after this one is testimony to the profundity of your ignorance. And contrary to your assertion “People who are brave and willing to face the truth in the face of death”, it is actually the believers in the afterlife who possess the courage to face this fact maturely. If you had any of the courage you boast of, you would try to find out about the afterlife, rather than hide from the truth. And btw, no we are NOT just “animals”, in fact we ARE “unique snowflakes for whom a god has a special plan”. When you pass into the next world, you will have no excuse for your ignorance, since you have been told repeatedly. It’s all on your head, dude.

          • Martin G.

            Well, won’t you be very troubled when you discover that “our friend” is NOT imaginary? Say whatever you want, but you WILL find out some day. Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but you WILL… find out… someday.

          • https://disqus.com/home/channel/atheismftw/ Ian Cooper

            I’m not troubled by him. What troubles me is that just 400 years ago, people just like you gleefully watched and cheered as Giordiano Bruno was burned at the stake – all for an myth so obviously false that a child should be able to see through it. The problem is not your infantile idea of a god – it’s that grown adults still think he’s real, and the Biblical texts that support killing unbelievers are still in your ridiculous holy book, just waiting for a time when you morons get your stupid religion into power again.

          • LadyLoneStar

            Now who is living in a fairy tale land? Judge much? Yes YOU do! I am not responsible for anyone or anything that happened 400 years ago there, Chuck! So you can own that one yourself. Show me in the Biblical text where unbelievers are being killed. YOU CANNOT BECAUSE IT’S NOT THERE. You continue to bore me with your “knowledge of Biblical text” nonsense. You should really see what is truly in the Holy Bible. Read it for yourself, Ian. Because it’s obviously by your rants, you really want to know and understand what’s in there. God loves you and wants you to come back to Him.

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            BIBLE KILLING!! AND FYI ,IN THE “N.T.” JC SAID THAT EVERY THING IN THE “O.T.” WAS TRUE AND SHOULD BE FOLLOWED

            1) Capital Punishment Crimes:

            Kill People Who Don’t Listen to Priests

            Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)

            Kill Witches

            You should not let a sorceress live. (Exodus 22:17 NAB)

            Kill Homosexuals

            “If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives.” (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)

            Kill Fortunetellers

            A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for their death. (Leviticus 20:27 NAB)

            Death for Hitting Dad

            Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. (Exodus 21:15 NAB)

            Death for Cursing Parents

            1) If one curses his father or mother, his lamp will go out at the coming of darkness. (Proverbs 20:20 NAB)

            2) All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. They are guilty of a capital offense. (Leviticus 20:9 NLT)

            Death for Adultery

            If a man commits adultery with another man’s wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)

            Death for Fornication

            A priest’s daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death. (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)

            Death to Followers of Other Religions

            Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19 NAB)

            Kill Nonbelievers

            They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)

            Kill False Prophets

            If a man still prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall say to him, “You shall not live, because you have spoken a lie in the name of the Lord.” When he prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall thrust him through. (Zechariah 13:3 NAB)

            Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God

            Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. “The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him.” (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)

            Kill Women Who Are Not Virgins On Their Wedding Night

            But if this charge is true (that she wasn’t a virgin on her wedding night), and evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against Israel by her unchasteness in her father’s house. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst. (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB)

            Kill Followers of Other Religions.

            1) If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)

            2) Suppose a man or woman among you, in one of your towns that the LORD your God is giving you, has done evil in the sight of the LORD your God and has violated the covenant by serving other gods or by worshiping the sun, the moon, or any of the forces of heaven, which I have strictly forbidden. When you hear about it, investigate the matter thoroughly. If it is true that this detestable thing has been done in Israel, then that man or woman must be taken to the gates of the town and stoned to death. (Deuteronomy 17:2-5 NLT)

            Death for Blasphemy

            One day a man who had an Israelite mother and an Egyptian father got into a fight with one of the Israelite men. During the fight, this son of an Israelite woman blasphemed the LORD’s name. So the man was brought to Moses for judgment. His mother’s name was Shelomith. She was the daughter of Dibri of the tribe of Dan. They put the man in custody until the LORD’s will in the matter should become clear. Then the LORD said to Moses, “Take the blasphemer outside the camp, and tell all those who heard him to lay their hands on his head. Then let the entire community stone him to death. Say to the people of Israel: Those who blaspheme God will suffer the consequences of their guilt and be punished. Anyone who blasphemes the LORD’s name must be stoned to death by the whole community of Israel. Any Israelite or foreigner among you who blasphemes the LORD’s name will surely die. (Leviticus 24:10-16 NLT)

            Kill False Prophets

            1) Suppose there are prophets among you, or those who have dreams about the future, and they promise you signs or miracles, and the predicted signs or miracles take place. If the prophets then say, ‘Come, let us worship the gods of foreign nations,’ do not listen to them. The LORD your God is testing you to see if you love him with all your heart and soul. Serve only the LORD your God and fear him alone. Obey his commands, listen to his voice, and cling to him. The false prophets or dreamers who try to lead you astray must be put to death, for they encourage rebellion against the LORD your God, who brought you out of slavery in the land of Egypt. Since they try to keep you from following the LORD your God, you must execute them to remove the evil from among you. (Deuteronomy 13:1-5 NLT)

            2) But any prophet who claims to give a message from another god or who falsely claims to speak for me must die.’ You may wonder, ‘How will we know whether the prophecy is from the LORD or not?’ If the prophet predicts something in the LORD’s name and it does not happen, the LORD did not give the message. That prophet has spoken on his own and need not be feared. (Deuteronomy 18:20-22 NLT)

            Infidels and Gays Should Die

            So God let them go ahead and do whatever shameful things their hearts desired. As a result, they did vile and degrading things with each other’s bodies. Instead of believing what they knew was the truth about God, they deliberately chose to believe lies. So they worshiped the things God made but not the Creator himself, who is to be praised forever. Amen. That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other. And the men, instead of having normal sexual relationships with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men and, as a result, suffered within themselves the penalty they so richly deserved. When they refused to acknowledge God, he abandoned them to their evil minds and let them do things that should never be done. Their lives became full of every kind of wickedness, sin, greed, hate, envy, murder, fighting, deception, malicious behavior, and gossip. They are backstabbers, haters of God, insolent, proud, and boastful. They are forever inventing new ways of sinning and are disobedient to their parents. They refuse to understand, break their promises, and are heartless and unforgiving. They are fully aware of God’s death penalty for those who do these things, yet they go right ahead and do them anyway. And, worse yet, they encourage others to do them, too. (Romans 1:24-32 NLT)

            Kill Anyone who Approaches the Tabernacle

            For the LORD had said to Moses, ‘Exempt the tribe of Levi from the census; do not include them when you count the rest of the Israelites. You must put the Levites in charge of the Tabernacle of the Covenant, along with its furnishings and equipment. They must carry the Tabernacle and its equipment as you travel, and they must care for it and camp around it. Whenever the Tabernacle is moved, the Levites will take it down and set it up again. Anyone else who goes too near the Tabernacle will be executed.’ (Numbers 1:48-51 NLT)

            Kill People for Working on the Sabbath

            The LORD then gave these further instructions to Moses: ‘Tell the people of Israel to keep my Sabbath day, for the Sabbath is a sign of the covenant between me and you forever. It helps you to remember that I am the LORD, who makes you holy. Yes, keep the Sabbath day, for it is holy. Anyone who desecrates it must die; anyone who works on that day will be cut off from the community. Work six days only, but the seventh day must be a day of total rest. I repeat: Because the LORD considers it a holy day, anyone who works on the Sabbath must be put to death.’ (Exodus 31:12-15 NLT)

            2) God’s Murders for Stupid Reasons:

            Kill Brats

            From there Elisha went up to Bethel. While he was on his way, some small boys came out of the city and jeered at him. “Go up baldhead,” they shouted, “go up baldhead!” The prophet turned and saw them, and he cursed them in the name of the Lord. Then two shebears came out of the woods and tore forty two of the children to pieces. (2 Kings 2:23-24 NAB)

            God Kills the Curious

            And he smote of the men of Beth-shemesh, because they had looked into the ark of Jehovah, he smote of the people seventy men, `and’ fifty thousand men; and the people mourned, because Jehovah had smitten the people with a great slaughter. And the men of Beth-shemesh said, Who is able to stand before Jehovah, this holy God? and to whom shall he go up from us? (1Samuel 6:19-20 ASV)

            Killed by a Lion

            Meanwhile, the LORD instructed one of the group of prophets to say to another man, “Strike me!” But the man refused to strike the prophet. Then the prophet told him, “Because you have not obeyed the voice of the LORD, a lion will kill you as soon as you leave me.” And sure enough, when he had gone, a lion attacked and killed him. (1 Kings 20:35-36 NLT)

            Killing the Good Samaritan

            The ark of God was placed on a new cart and taken away from the house of Abinadab on the hill. Uzzah and Ahio, sons of Abinadab guided the cart, with Ahio walking before it, while David and all the Israelites made merry before the Lord with all their strength, with singing and with citharas, harps, tambourines, sistrums, and cymbals.

            When they came to the threshing floor of Nodan, Uzzah reached out his hand to the ark of God to steady it, for the oxen were making it tip. But the Lord was angry with Uzzah; God struck him on that spot, and he died there before God. (2 Samuel 6:3-7 NAB)

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            AS A CAREFUL READING OF THE BIBLE FROM FRONT TO BACK COVER HAS CONVERTED MANY FROM BEING CHRISTIANS TO BEING ATHEISTS, THIS AGNOSTIC ATHEIST ACTIVIST URGES ALL CHRISTIANS TO PLEASE READ ALL OF YOUR BIBLE.

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT
          • LadyLoneStar

            Where your heart is, which is your intent of what and why you do what you do, when reading the Bible from cover to cover determines what you gleam from it. So if your intent is to pick and choose verses out of their original context and sling them around as “weapons” to state your case, is not the intent of the inspired writer. The Bible was written as an instruction to believers so that they can determine how to live their lives.

            As many Christians would urge all atheists and agnostic atheists to please carefully read all the Bible with the intention of learning and growing closer to God…rather than pulling specific verses out of context for their own justification of continuing to sin against God.

          • Richard cianfrone

            You’re wrong! The new world order idiots for the most part are under a spell of a pseudo gospel! Teddy bear Cruz cult of domination, that is not biblical Christianity! I have researched ancient Greek for 18 years and discovered 20,000+ translation errors! I have been in the presence of what is beyond reality!!! Believe me we are not aaaalllllone! I am not affiliated with any organization or pseudo church. Revelation 18:23 pan ethnos euplannos farmakia, all nations were deluded in pharmaceuticals, English translation says sorcery! That’s incorrect! Every school shooter was under psychotropic drugs! Farmakia= pharmaceuticals. 2000 years ago that was written, how could one know every Faustian anti depressant commercial enterprise would be so pervasive?

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            FIRST, YOU POOR MENTALLY CHALLANGED ONE, , IS YOUR REPLY MEANT FOR ME? ——————————————————————————————————————————————————— IF SO, WHILE IT IS VERY EASY TO SAY I AM WRONG, NOT YOU OR ANYONE ELSE CAN PROVE I AM LOGICALLY AND/OR FACTUALLY WRONG FOR THE SIMPLE REASON I AM NOT!

          • Richard cianfrone

            After all the mud slinging against the Trump enemies let’s try chivalry. You really believe we’re alone in the universe ? You believe no man today has had a close encounter? You believe your ancestors are apes? You as an american have every right to practice your religion of atheism while I practice true Christianity. Jesus would say many things you believe, such as, no drug war privatisation of prisons, nafta pta and all free trade for the rich abolished, no illegal wars, fix the economic disparity between the rich and poor, stop all the crimes violencerrioting, and on and on.

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            You really believe we’re alone in the universe ?

            NO. THE ODDS WE ARE ALONE ARE THE SAME THEY ARE FOR ANY GODS BEING REAL. AND THOSE ODDS ARE ZERO!

            You believe no man today has had a close encounter?

            I HAVE SEEN NO VALID PROOF ONE HAS

            You believe your ancestors are apes?

            EVOLUTION IS BOTH A PROVEN SCIENTIFIC THEORY AND A PROVEN SCIENTIFIC FACT. AND IF EVOLUTION WERE NOT A FACT, WE COULD NOT OBSERVE IN ACTION. AND WE WOULD NOT HAVE THE PRO0F OF HUMAN EVOLUTION IN OWN BODIES. WE HAVE A THIRD EYE LID, A TAIL BONE, WISDOM TEETH, TONSILS AND APPENDIX WE NO LONGER NEED,

            You as an American have every right to practice your religion of atheism

            ANYONE WHO KNOWS HOW TO USE A DICTIONARY, AND LOOKS UP THE WORD, ATHEISM, KNOWS IT DOES NOT FIT THE DEFINITION OF WHAT A RELIGION IS.

            while I practice true Christianity.

            NO ONE SAID YOU COULD NOT

            YOU PRACTICE TRUE CHRISTIANITY? I HOPE NOT. IN THE N.T. JESUS SAID ‘EVERY” THING IN THE O.T IS TRUE AND SHOULD BE FOLLOWED. AND IN THE O.T. YOU CHRISTIAN BELIEVERS ARE INSTRUCTED, TWENTY EIGHT (28) TIMES TO KILL AND KILL AND KILL SOME MORE.

            HEY, DON;T BLAME ME, I DID NOT WRITE YOUR BIBLE!

            Jesus would say many things you believe, such as, no drug war privatization of prisons, nafta pta and all free trade for the rich abolished, no illegal wars, fix the economic disparity between the rich and poor, stop all the crimes violence rioting, and on and on.

            AS JESUS NEVER EXISTED IN THE REAL WORLD, HE WOULD NOT SAY ANYTHING.

          • LadyLoneStar

            Scientific THEORY is NOT “proven” fact…..IT’S A THEORY! Your spewed comments are nonsensical when you continuously loop around. Darwin’s evolution has been labeled bunk for decades. If we were to have evolved from apes, why are the apes of today not evolved?

            I am really starting to feel sorry for you, Neil. Your hate is transparent in all your sad, desperate attempts at conversation.

            If you have read the Bible “from cover to cover”….you’ve missed the real meaning. You must feel hopeless with a piece missing from your life. I believe you’ve “shared” the reason you type in all caps is because of your advanced age. But in truth, I believe you are hiding the true meaning of your contempt for Christians and the love of Jesus Christ in your hate and lashing out at the One True God. Try to live in peace, Neil. Try to see the beauty in the Words of God to fill that empty void. He can release you from your hostile prison that your years of hate have held you captive. Being meek and humble is not even close to weakness. Find peace, Neil.

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            AND YOU NOT ONLY SOUND LIKE A PROGRAMMED RELIGIOUS ROBOT. YOU SOUND SOMEONE WHO IS OFF HIS MEDS.

          • Richard cianfrone

            Never took psychotropic drugs in my life, didn’t you see the passage in revelation? You sound brain washed by little men who are the biggest idiots alive ! To really believe this life is all by pot luck ! You love anything? Your mom and dad and kids wife and neighbors? You have a morbid view of hope. Good day. Let me know if you find God.

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            FIRST, YOU CERTAINLY SOUNDS LIKE YOU BE TAKING SOMETHING TO STOP YOUR DELUSIONS. ———————- SECOND IT IS OBIVIOUS YOU DO NOT KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN BRAIN-WASHING AND NORMAL LEARING DO TO EXPERIENCE AND STUDY. ——————– THIRD, YOUR COMMENTS PLACE YOU IN THE “IDIOT” CATAGORY.—————————–FORTH, WHILE I CAN DEFINE EXACTLY WHAT LOVE IS IN ONE SENTENCE, I DOUBT YOU COULD DO SO IN PAGES OF SENTENCES. —————– FIFTH YOU COMMENTS ABOUT MY VIEW IF HOPE PROVE YOU HAVE NO FRACKING CLUE OF WHAT YOU SPEAK. ——————— LAST, AS ANY TRULY INTELLIGENT. RATIONAL, LOGICAL AND NON-RELIGIOUSLY PROGRAMMED PERSON KNOWS, — ANY AND ALL GODS ONLY EXIST IN THE POOR DELUDED MINDS OF RELIGIOUS BELIEVERS.

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            “didn’t you see the passage in revelation?” LIKE ANYONE WITH A CLUE IS GOING TO WASTE THEIR TIME READING SOME TOTAL B.B IN THE BIBLE? ——————————————————-

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            ONLY A PROGRAMMED RELIGIOUS ROBOT CHRISTIAN WOULD ASK “didn’t you see the passage in revelation?

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            AND YOU STILL HAVE NOT OFFERED ANY EVIDENCE, MUCH LESS ANY PROOF, THAT MY SAYING THAT MANY CHRISTIANS, AFTER THEIR CAREFULLY READING THE BIBLE FROM FRONT TO BACK COVER, HAVE BECOME ATHEISTS, IS NOT TRUE! ——————————————————————————————————————————————————–AND YOU NEVER WILL AS YOU CAN NOT DISPOVE FACTS!

          • Richard cianfrone

            Oh thanks that’s correct, what would I do without intellectual idiots like you.? You freak of nature, you are full of shit! Take the Faustian glue bag from your Godless face. Hey shit
            Face, what t extrextraterrestrial life??? You asshole, daaaa the f##= idiot atheist says we’re all alone! You deluded aeomba. Trump believes in God, you shouldssupport the atheist Sanders. Stop using Christian and Jewish inventions ! Tesla son of a Croatian protestant minister, Einstein, Devinci, Michael Angelo, Marconi, Edison, Bell, Socrates. You ointellectual idiots discovered nothing, but your worthless psychology, psyci, Greek definition is soul, you f&## ing idiots don’t believe in the soul. I’ll tell you what , put your thumb up your ass and check your temperature. Asshole, how dumbfounded you are, nobody believes we’re alone. Queer perverted Godis dead ccrowd are
            Dead!

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            YOU NEED TO IMPROVE YOUR VERY POOR READING COMPREHENSION SKILLS SO YOU ACTUALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT WAS SAID. SO AGAIN YOU POOR MENTAL MIDGET. I HAVE NEVER SAID OR IMPLIED WE ON EARTH ARE ALL ALONE IN THE UNIVERSE. ——— YOU GET THAT THIS TIME RETARD?

            READING WHO SOME OF WE ATHEISTS ARE, WILL PROVE ATHEISTS ARE THE LEADERS, OR AMONG THE LEADERS IN EVERY POSITIVE FIELD! AND OUR SUCCESS PROVES NO RELIGION OR ANY GODS ARE NEEDED TO HELP US!

            http://www.jmarkgilbert.com/atheists.htmlFamous Dead NontheistsHttp://www.celebatheists.com/Celebrity Atheist List

          • https://disqus.com/home/channel/atheismftw/ Ian Cooper

            Aaah ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! You realize it’s April 15th, not April 1st, right?

          • Richard cianfrone

            Hey your right ! It’s April fools day every day with an idiot like you. Daaa mr geeen worm brain damage cannot find assessment from his ads to his elbow. Go back and sit on your toilet and look, behold ! It’s is you in the Faustian toilet. Trump believes in Jesus, are you going to revile him too?

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            SO ARE YOU SO PROGRAMMED, YOU DO NOT REALIZE THE ONLY REASON YOU ARE NOT A JEW, A MUSLIM OR A HINDU WHO BELIEVES IN MANY GODS IS VERY SIMPLY BECAUSE YOU WERE RAISED (-PROGRAMMED-) BY CHRISTIANS?

            DO YOU NOT REALIZE YOU HAVE NO MORE EVIDENCE YOUR GOD IS REAL THAN THE HINDU’S HAVE THAT THERE MANY GODS ARE REAL?

            FYI. THE MAIN REASON MULTI-MILLIONS OF FORMER CHRISTIANS, INCLUDING THE WELL OVER
            600 MEMBERS OF THE CLERGY PROJECT, WHO ARE ALL FORMER CHRISTIAN MINISTERS, ARE NOW SOME OF THE ESTIMATED 35,000,000 AMERICANS WHO ARE ATHEISTS WAS BECAUSE THEY FOUND NO VALID EVIDENCE THE CHRISTIAN GOD, OR ANY GOD, IS REAL.

            AND DO YOU NOT REALIZE THAT YOU HAVE NO ACTUAL, VALID EVIDENCE YOUR GOD IS REAL AT ALL? YET, YOU, AND ALL OF THE OTHER POOR PROGRAMED RELIGIOUS ROBOTS, ALL FIRMLY BELIEVE YOUR GOD, AND ONLY YOUR GOD, IS THE ONLY REAL GOD.

            WHICH IS NOT ONLY A VERY DELUSIONAL THING TO DO, IT IS SOMETHING ONLY PROGRAMMED RELIGIOUS, OR CRAZY PEOPLE DO.

          • Richard cianfrone

            So you do believe in extraterrestrial intelligent life? Is not that similar to belief in God ? You totally all the great Christian and Jewish inventions ! I’ll prove to you the authenticity of the Bible, imagine the Neanderthals 10,000 years ago or hwhenever just making up the story of man in Eden, how could any author know that all mankind will die at old age at best, then they were correct also about working the ground for food and killing animals for food? You mean they just assumed because their neighbors all died and have to eat and drink ? How the Faustian could they know how other homo sapeins live around the world thousands of miles away? You see the woman was deceived not the man to eat from the tree of knowledge, the fruit you guys love. I told I had a close encounter that lasted maybe a minute, believe me that’s a long time. 20 years ago and I remember it like yesterday. You’re not an atheist if you believe in a higher intelligence not of this world. Take spiritual care.

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            I WILL WASTE NO MORE TIME ON YOU AS YOU ARE A MENTAL MIDGET. GO PRAY TO YOUR MICKY MOUSE MAKE BELIEVE GOD.

          • Richard cianfrone

            I proved you wrong ! When the e.t. topic is presented your house of cards falls down, catch 22, how stupidwwould it look to say
            There is no other intelligence but us ! Hahaha hahaha hehehe, you’re a pisser. Go back to your ads backwards intellectual sandbox and keep your head in it. Jesus Rocks.

          • Richard cianfrone

            Who invented the atom bomb to stop we2 ? Christian and Jewish, imagine a Theocratic Muslim nation having it first ? America, Washington and Jefferson Bill of rights, Christian even if the liars say they were diest, the Christian principal was instilled in the country, king John, Magna Carta Christian. India, polytheism, mass starvation gross human rights abuses, same with China, communism, Buddhism mass starvation. I proved you wrong. Jesus is the reason why we as Americans haven’t seen the abject poverty and.war, at least not yet anyway.

          • Nicholaus

            So the poor Christian nations just don’t pray hard enough? This country was founded on the Constitution. A document that doesn’t mention any god, Jesus, Christianity or the Bible.

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            TREATY WITH TRIPOLI

            the treaty of Tripoli which states the United States is not a Christian country.

            THIS TREATY WAS STARTED UNDER GEORGE WASHINGTON, THEN FINISHED AND THEN UNANIMOUSLY PASSED BY CONGRESS. PRES. JOHN ADAMS SIGNED IT INTO LAW.

            As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion,” the Article begins. And so, for those who advocate for the complete separation of church and state, the article is seen as an early vindication of the position, especially since the treaty was approved by a Senate that recently approved the Bill of Rights.

            AGAIN NO CHRISTIAN, OR ANYONE ELSE CAN PROVE THESE SO CALLED JUDO-CHRISTIAN PRINCIPAL’S WERE NOT KNOWN AND PRACTICED FOR MANY HUNDREDS, IF NOT THOUSANDS OF YEARS BEFORE THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION WAS FOUNDED.

            AND I HAVE YET TO HAVE ONE CHRISTIAN INFORM ME JUST EXACTLY WHAT THESE SUPPOSEDLY GREAT “JUDO-CHRISTIAN PRINCIPAL’S” EVEN ARE. WHILE THE PROGRAMMED RELIGIOUS ROBOT’S LOVE TO RAVE ABOUT THEM, IT SEEMS EVEN KNOW WHAT THEY ARE AND WHAT MAKES THEM SPECIAL.

            OF COURSE I FIND MOST CHRISTIANS ARE VERY IGNORANT OF THEIR BIBLE.

            MOST SEEM TO NOT KNOW THAT IN THE N.T. JESUS SAID “EVERYTHING” IN THE O.T. WAS TRUE AND SHOULD BE FOLLOWED.
            SO CHRISTIANS ARE SUPPOSED TO KILL ME AS WELL AS KILL ALL KINDS OF OTHERS

            OR THAT SLAVERY IS JUSTIFIED

            I PITY CHRISTIANS AS IT IS SO EASY TO PROVE THEM FACTUALLY WRONG

          • Richard cianfrone

            The founding fathers only meant that the United States of America would not mandate a national religion. What about inalienable rights from who??? The friggin Darwin’s no, from their Creator ! At the constitutional convention Franklin asked Washington to begin sessions with prayers, Washington said that wouldn’t be necessary because only 8 here are atheist. Your apes are not in the equation, if you believe that apes are your progenitors that’s your choice and delusion, however you have that right under the first amendment.
            Jesus Saves.

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            ATHEISTS ARE NOT THE LEAST BIT TROUBLED BY ONE, OR BY TRILLIONS OF NON-EXISTENT GODS. WHAT WE ARE TROUBLED ABOUT ARE THE ACTIONS OF THE DELUDED PROGRAMMED RELIGIOUS ROBOTS WHO COST US MONEY, PASS STUPID LAWS BASED ON SOME B.S. RELIGIOUS BELIEF, WHO LIE ABOUT US, WHO HARRASS US, PERSECUTE US, DISCRIMINATE AGAINST US AND WHO IMPRISION, BEAT, TOTRURE AND MURDER US SIMPLY BECAUSE WE DO NOT BBELIEVE IN THEIR CHILDISH MYTHS AND THEIR MAKE-BELIEVE GODS!

          • LadyLoneStar

            Right…..sure you aren’t “troubled”….enjoy.

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            IT IS NOT ATHEISTS WHO FLY AIRPLAQNES INTO BUILDING BLOW UP MARATHEON RACES AND WHO PUT BOMBS WHERE THEY WILL KILL INNOCENT MEN, WOMEN, CHILDREN ANS BABIES. NOPE IT IS RELIGIOUS PEOPLE WHO DO THOSE THINGS. IT IS POOR, DELUDED, PROGRAMMED RELIGIOUS ROBOTS WHO DO THOSE THINGS FOR THEIR MAKE-BELIEVE GOD! ,

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            I AM NOT THE ONE WHO SHOULD BE TROUBLED. NOPE, IT IS YOU WHO SHOULD BE TROUBLED BY THE ACTIONS OF RELIGIOUS PEOPLE LIKE YOU!

            IT IS NOT ATHEISTS WHO FLY KILL DOCTORS AND OTHER HEALTH CARE WORKERS, WHO BLOW UP GAY BARS AND HEATH CLINICS. OR BLOW UP THE FEDERAL BUILDING IN OK. CITY, AND WHO BOMB THE OLYMPICS IN ATLANTA AND KILL INNOCENT MEN, WOMEN, CHILDREN AND PERHAPS EVEN BABIES BABIES. NOPE IT IS YOU CHRISTIANS WHO DO THOSE THINGS.

            YEP, IT IS POOR, DELUDED, PROGRAMMED RELIGIOUS ROBOT CHRISTIANS WHO DO THOSE THINGS FOR THEIR MAKE-BELIEVE GOD! IT IS CHRISTIANS LIKE YOU WHO DO THOSE THINGS FOR THEIR MAKE-BELIEVE GOD!

          • LadyLoneStar

            Not even wasting my time to read your hateful spew. Not wasting my time.

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            HEY STUPID, THOSE ARE FACTS ONLY YOU ARE TOO DAMN DIMB TO KNOW IT!

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            A FORMER CHRISTIAN MINISRER USES THE BIBLE TO PROVE THE CHRISTIAN GOD DOES NOT EXIST

            FORMER EVANGELICAL CHRISTIAN MINISTER, DAN BARKER, COVERS A FEW OF MANY BIBLE CONTRADICTIONS WHICH LOGICALLY PROVE THE CHRISTIAN GOD DOES NOT EXIST.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bpZxo2X4BQ

          • LadyLoneStar

            Up to this point I haven’t called you any “third-grader bully” names….grow up Neil.

          • LadyLoneStar

            Ha….sure you are.

          • Mike Boone

            Thank you Neil, for shining the light of reason on the absurd beliefs that should have died out in the same dark ages that provided a home to other forms of ignorance, such as doctors bleeding their patients.

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            HELLO MIKE, THANK YOU FOR YOUR KIND COMMENTS, IF YOU ARE A FACEBOOK PERSON, I AM SURE YOU WOULD ENJOY READING MY PAGE AND MEETING SOME OF MY OVER 600 FACEBOOK FRIENDS, MOST OF THEM, ARE LIKE ME, ATHEISTS. AND WE SHARE MUCH GOOD INFORMATION. THANKS AGAIN. NEIL

          • Mike Boone

            Neil, you are so welcome, my friend. Just happened to check my gmail inbox before turning in for the night, and was surprised, as well as very happy, to see your response. I was surprised because your post I responded to is 8 months old, and a technical glitch causing my computer to run very slow made the wait to load more recent posts a little long for my sleep deprived mind so I never discovered if you had been active on that forum any more recently than that.

            I am a member of Facebook, but only because joining it made it easier to be able to post a reply about Blu-ray discs on some magazine’s website. Since I’m such a Facebook novice I would much appreciate it if you would be kind enough to send me another message detailing how I could become one of your Facebook friends. It would be of such great value to me to be able to read what you and your Facebook friends have to say about religion and the sad effect it has in causing people to adopt a superstitious way of thinking about the human condition and our existence in the universe. Such a mode of thinking only serves to block the mind from using a logical approach to critically evaluate the validity of the claims and information that every person encounters.

            I feel certain, Neil, that you, and the vast majority of your friends, are already in basic agreement that the only way that we, as humans, can discover what is real about our existence in the universe, is through the use of logic and critical thinking that isn’t constricted by any preconceived notions that exceed the bounds of logic.
            But Neil, I’m getting really long winded here, even as my need for sleep now indicates that I should save any further ramblings for my dreams.

            But when you get a chance, please type me some lines about the best way that I can communicate with you and your friends on Facebook. I’d have a lot of fun joining you guys in your discussions.
            And, speaking of fun, let me leave you with a bit of humor.
            Last week, I made some offhand wisecrack to my wife. And her reply to me was “You smart ass!” So, immediately I came back with “Hey, when did I get the promotion? Because, just the other day, you said I was a dumb ass.”
            Take care, buddy.

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            IN THE UPPER LEFT HAND CORNER OF YOUR FACEBOOK PAGE IS A PLACE WHERE YOU CAN PUT MY NAME AS IT IS BELOW. IN. CLICKING ON IT WILL TAKE YOU TO MY PAGE. THEN JUST CLICK ON “SEND FRIEND REQUEST”

          • Eddie Anderson

            God is a myth until you die and meet him, lol.

            Hopefully you do otherwise it’s the other guy haha.

            Here’s a concept for you though… you have to really think about this one though otherwise you’ll just short answer it.

            Can there be evil without a God?

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            I HAVE BEEN NEARLY KILLED QUICKLY MANY TIMES AND HAVE COME CLOSE TO DYING SLOWLY OVER THREE TIMES. SO CLOSE ON TWO OCCASSIONS, THE DOCTORS DID NOT THINK I WOULD MAKE IT UNTIL THE NEXT MORNING.
            NOT ONCE DID I EVEN THINK OF ASKING ANY GOD FOR HELP, MUCH LESS ACTUALLY DOING SO.

          • Eddie Anderson

            That’s good cause guess what… he didn’t think of you either, lol. Then again, by default from you being born you are born under the grace of God (like it or not), believe it or not, try to reason it or not. 😉

            Have a good time trying to JUSTIFY reasons it’s not true. Make sure they’re all caps though, k.

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            GODS CAN’T THINK AS THEY DO NOT EXIST AND NO AMOUNT OF “BELIEVING” CAUSES THEM TO DO SO OTHER THAN IN THE POOR DELUDED MINDS OF BELIEVERS.

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            BET YOU WILL NOT ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS

            1. IS NOT THE GOD OF THE CHRISTIANS SUPPOSEDLY AN ACTUAL ALL POWERFUL, AND ALL KNOWING GOD WHO IS ALSO SUPPOSED TO BE A FAIR, KIND, COMPASSIONATE, CARING JUST AND MORAL?

            IF SO,

            2. THEN WHY DID THE GOD OF THE CHRISTIANS CREATE A WORLD LIKE OURS FILLED WITH ALL KINDS OF BAD NATURAL DISASTERS? —
            THINGS LIKE HURRICANES, EARTHQUAKES TORNADO’S, VOLCANO’S. FLOODS, AVALANCHES, WILD FIRES, LAND SLIDES AND TSUNAMIS?

            3. WHY DID THE GOD OF THE CHRISTIANS CREATE A WORLD WHERE SOME LIVING THINGS MUST KILL OTHER LIVING THINGS TO LIVE WHEN OTHER LIVING THINGS DO NOT HAVE TO KILL TO LIVE?

            4. WHY DID THE GOD OF THE CHRISTIANS CREATE A WORLD FILLED WITH DISEASES AND STARVATION?

            5. WHY DID THE GOD OF THE CHRISTIANS CREATE A WORLD WHERE HUMANS DO THE TERRIBLE THINGS THEY DO TO BOTH OTHER LIVING THINGS AND TO THEIR FELLOW HUMANS?

            LOGICALLY, THERE ARE ONLY THREE ANSWERS,

            A. THE GOD OF THE CHRISTIANS DOES NOT EXIST

            OR,

            B. THE GOD OF THE CHRISTIANS IS REALLY JUST REALLY EVIL AND A TOTAL ASSHOLE!

            OR,

            C. THE GOD OF THE CHRISTIANS IS TOTALLY INCOMPETENT!

            NO MATTER WHICH, AS SUCH A GOD IS NOT EVEN WORTHY OF MY FRIENDSHIP. MUCH LESS MY WORSHIP!

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            ONLY STUPID COMPLAIN ABOUT ALL CAPS

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            OF COURSE, THERE CAN BE EVIL WITHOUT A GOD.
            WHICH IS SOMETHING YOU WOULD HAVE NO TROUBLE KNOWING WERE YOU NOT A POOR DELUDED PROGRAMMED RELIGIOUS ROBOT.

          • Eddie Anderson

            lol… Actually with God there is no evil, but evil came about by the choice of an angel. Nothing comes that wasn’t before HIM.

            You’re thinking that let’s say there’s no God(s), AND sure you can just go kill someone that’s evil, lol

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            YOU POOR DELUDED THING YOU! ALL THESE THINGS ARE EVIL AND ANY REAL ALL POWERFUL GOD COULD EASILY STOP THEM.

            HURRICANES, EARTHQUAKES TORNADO’S, VOLCANO’S. FLOODS, AVALANCHES, WILD FIRES, LAND SLIDES AND TSUNAMIS?
            LIVING THINGS WHICH HAVE TO KILL OTHER LIVING THING TO LIVE. ALL EVIL AND ALL YOUR GODS FAULT

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            HERE IS JUST SOME OF THE KILLING YOUR GOD COMMANDS YOU TO DO.. DO NOT BLAME ME AS I DID NOT WRITE THE BIBLE! AND FYI, IN THR N.T. JESUS STATES EVERY THING IN THE O.T. IS TRUE AND SHOULD BE DONE.

            But if this charge is true (that she wasn’t a virgin on her wedding night), and evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against Israel by her unchasteness in her father’s house. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst. (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB)
            Kill Women Who Are Not Virgins On Their Wedding Night Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. “The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him.” (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)
            Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God If a man still prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall say to him, “You shall not live, because you have spoken a lie in the name of the Lord.” When he prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall thrust him through. (Zechariah 13:3 NAB)
            Kill False Prophets They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman.
            (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)Kill Nonbelievers Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19 NAB)Death to Followers of Other Religions A priest’s daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death. (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)Death for Fornication If a man commits adultery with another man’s wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)
            Death for Adultery 2) All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. They are guilty of a capital offense. (Leviticus 20:9 NLT) 1) If one curses his father or mother, his lamp will go out at the coming of darkness. (Proverbs 20:20 NAB)Death for Cursing Parents Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. (Exodus 21:15 NAB)
            Death for Hitting Dad A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for their death. (Leviticus 20:27 NAB)Kill Fortunetellers “If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives.” (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)Kill Homosexuals You should not let a sorceress live. (Exodus 22:17 NAB)
            Kill Witches Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)
            Kill People Who Don’t Listen to Priests 1) Capital Punishment Crimes:
            AND THIS IS ONLY SOME OF THE KILLING DIRECTED BY YOUR GOD!

          • LadyLoneStar

            Not sure why you feel the need to point a finger at me, but I’m ready.

            Satan, pure evil, is a fallen angel. He thought he could BE God…he thought he was equal to God. He was wrong! God hurled him outta Heaven. After the fall of humanity (the garden), Satan was given reign over the earth (evil). We are all born into sin, thanks to the disobedience of the first human beings. God sent Jesus Christ as a sacrificial Lamb to give us the ONLY way back to God. Through God’s grace and mercy, we are able to enter the Kingdom in the Heavenly realm when we die the first death. IF your name isn’t in the book of life – the book of the Lamb, when you die the first death, you will be judged and thrown into the lake of fire for eternity which is the second and final death.

            It’s all God’s plan, even with sin/evil on this earth, God is still and always will be in control of the outcome. Sin/evil is a choice. God gives freewill to His creation, human beings, what we choose, what path we choose is our destiny. God allows us the choice.

            In short, your question, no…God is the creator of EVERYTHING. God knew before Satan did that Satan would try to test God’s authority. He knew before the garden (the fall of humanity) that His creation would be tempted and fail that test. He knew that they would disobey and eat from the tree of life.

            The Old Testament is historical reference of the beginning of time, the New Testament shows the grace and mercy God gave us with the victory at the cross and Jesus’ resurrection, His victory over death!

            Everything God does is because of His love for us. The trials and hardships we face in our lives is to draw us closer to Him and to refine our character into the person God wants us to become.

            You see, no sin, no amount of time will separate you from the love of God but it’s your choice.

          • Mike Boone

            Freethinkers who believe god is a myth obviously aren’t troubled by him, we are troubled by the damage and destruction than can be caused by the people who are deluded enough to believe in HIM, HER, or IT.
            Stated another way, without people believing in a god, there never would have been radical Muslim terrorists flying planes into buildings and murdering thousands of Americans on 9/11. Freethinkers, like myself, would never be drawn to partaking in any kind of suicide mission, because we don’t expect our lives to continue after death, so life on earth is literally as good as it gets.

            And, BTW, if no one believed in the God Myth, there also wouldn’t be a danger of any Americans being radical Christian terrorists who blow up abortion clinics, and such attacks possibly having the side effect of even killing night janitors or security guards at those clinics, who also oppose abortion, but just need those jobs to feed their families.

          • Thabang Maepa

            god cannot trouble anyone because he is not existing anyway.Only the myth or the imagination can capture you into some phycological troubles.

          • LadyLoneStar

            We will see who’s right when we take our last breath, good luck with that.

          • Thabang Maepa

            I feel deeply sorry for you my dear, psycologically captured and tortured by your own imaginery friend.There are about thousands of God’s and Gods believed my many delusioned individuals,and if all indivials are right with their individual imaginery friends, then doubtlessly they are all wrong.I hope one day you will wake up because i love you dear!

          • LadyLoneStar

            It’s not me (I’m not your dear) that you should “feel” sorry for, but yourself. You are the delusional one…it’s truly a shame because God doesn’t want any human beings to choose Hell for themselves.

          • Thabang Maepa

            wow’uh! What a nice compliment, your imaginery friend surely gonna love that, it’s more like “believe in my imaginery friend or else he will send you to hell” It is a childish fairy tale and that is why i feel sorry for you love.Who made hell? where is that hell? why did he make hell? if he is kind than the devil (your imaginery enemy), then why can your loving imAGINERY FRIEND create thAT EVIL imaginery evil place? look, i do not have time for this boggy doggy fuzzy game, i hope you will enjoy it much better alone.greet your imaginary friend for me!

          • LadyLoneStar

            God doesn’t “send” anyone anywhere….YOU choose where you will spend eternity.
            Satan is a fallen angel. Evil has separated us from God, which is why Jesus Christ (who is God the Son) came to earth to have a “human experience”. He died for the sins (evil) of this earth that human beings would be given a chance to have a relationship with God and be cleansed of our sins.
            I am not the one who is “alone”.
            I truly hope you choose life for yourself before it’s too late.

          • Thabang Maepa

            The problem with your imagirery friend is only that I logically do not believe that he exists in the real world. Why are you pleople still believe in fairy tales? You are undermining your intellect.Have you ever saw that god thing? NO! Have you ever witnessed anything that proves his existance? I think the problem is that you were brainwashed with a bunch of lies when you were brought up. Child indoctrination interferers with the functioning of the child’s brain. It deprives you of logic and reasoning.What did you study in school? what profession are you persuing in college? I doubt that profession has nothing to do with human logic.Please go and read your bible with your mind and not your heart. Don’t believe,THINK.The devil is your imaginery enemy, and please don’t bring him into reality! Gs! when will you grow up kid?

          • LadyLoneStar

            I don’t care what you “logically” believe or don’t believe. Just stop being so afraid of what you really know is the truth.

          • Thabang Maepa

            Come on girl, like..really? The truth? How can I fear what I do not believe in? But anyway, since you have said you don’t care, I think I would be wrong to try to encourage you to care.So conclusively,I think I have to stop arguing with your imagination and let it be.May your inexisting god bless you, I will pray for you tonight.

          • LadyLoneStar

            That’s right….THE TRUTH.

          • Thabang Maepa

            lol

          • LadyLoneStar

            There are several “problems” with your comment…one is your lack of spelling.

          • Thabang Maepa

            Am a little bit hurt, but hey really? after running out of your fallacious arguments, all that is left for you is to attack my spelling? Am sorry my computer doesn’t have android and spelling error are common to me? I worry about my spelling when only am writing serious things, not when am chating with a religious fuckwit like you! I barely care about your opinions coz i don’t even know what type of cunt you are.But if you think you can correct my spelling errors, my love I allow you to do so.Do you have any idea how I LOVE you? You are my angel awesome….the only boring thing about you is your faith in fairy tales.Have a wonderful time my love, can’t wait for your reply. I love you!

          • LadyLoneStar

            Get over it snowflake. No I haven’t “run out of” anything, I just choose not to argue with those that are blinded by their own arrogance and ignorance.
            Stop worshiping things of this world and find the Truth and the Truth will set you free.

          • Thabang Maepa

            Lol! I am not worshiping anything on earth or out of the universe.I am an atheist, I worship completely nothing and I don’t believe in deities and unicorns!

          • VD65

            Yep and he said he was not God and NOT to worship him something Christians ignore. They don’t have a corner on the word God. It is generic and many religions use that word in different languages. I won’t say what I believe but I know when someone doesn’t know their stuff. You have no right to preach to anyone or judge. Getting sick of this stuff from both Atheists (humanists) and Christians whatever type they may be.

          • LadyLoneStar

            So in your little world, “I don’t have a right to preach or judge”, but you do? Interesting….you unknowingly prove my point.

          • Tinwoods

            Utter rubbish. You’re living in your favorite fantasy world. Not a shred of evidence any supernatural being exists. Not a shred.

          • LadyLoneStar

            Nonsense…there is a lot of evidence…you aren’t looking in the right places.

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            THIS VIDEO HAS A FEW OF THE MANY BIBLE CONTRADICTIONS.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CY-jX9juoQ

          • LadyLoneStar

            There are NO contradictions in the Bible.

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            THERE ARE MANY CONTRADICTIONS IN THE BIBLE WHICH THOSE WHO ARE NOT PROGRAMED RELIGIOUS ROBOT CHRISTIANS LIKE YOU CAN SEE VERY EASILY. OF COURSE, THIS ALSO MEANS THE MULTI-MILLIONS OF FORMER LAY CHRISTIANS WHO ARE NOW ATHEISTS, THE OVER 600 FORMER CHRISTIAN MINISTERS WHO ARE BOTH NOW ATHEISTS AND MEMBERS OF THE CLERGY PROJECT WHO HAVE ALL SUCCESSFULLY DE-PROGRAMMED THEMSELVES, CAN NOW ALL SEE THE MANY COUNTERACTIONS AS WELL.

            AND YOU, YOU POOR DELUDED PROGRAMMED RELIGIOUS ROBOT CHILD, YOUR DENYING THE FACTS AND THE TRUTH, ONLY MEANS YOUR RELIGIOUS PROGRAMMING IS SO STRONG, IT SIMPLY OVER RIDES ANY COMMON SENSE, USE OF LOGIC INTELLIGENCE AND KNOWLEDGE YOU MAY HAVE ON OTHER SUBJECTS.

          • LadyLoneStar

            There are NO contradictions in the Bible, Neil…you are a poor little man who can’t accept the fact that you are wrong yet again.

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            LOOK YOU POOR DELUDED PROGRAMMED RELIGIOUS ROBOT.

            FIRST, LITTLE MEN ARE NOT COLLEGE FOOTBALL DEFENSIVE LINE MEN AND LINE BACKERS. OR DEEP SEA DIVERS, OR MP’S OR BAR BOUNCERS OR PARATROOPERS AS I WAS.

            SECOND, THOSE WHO HAVE MENSA LEVEL I.Q.’S AND WHO HAVE HELD THE RESPONSIBLE POSITION’S I HAVE AT NCR, MAGNAVOX AND XEROX ARE NOT LITTLE IN INTELLIGENCE EITHER.

            THIRD, YOU ARE A TYPICAL PROGRAMMED CHRISTIAN WHO SIMPLY DENIES ANY FACTS WHICH PROVE YOU ARE WRONG. WERE YOU NOT ONE YOU WOULD NOT DENY YOUR GOD SAYING DO NOT KILL AND THEN TELLING CHRISTAN BELIEVERS TO KILL IS AN OBVIOUS COUNTERACTION!

          • LadyLoneStar

            Poor little man! You are full of it….er….so much hate and animosity. I bet you have high blood pressure and stomach ulcers. You really should seek medical assistance. The questions that take away your peace in your life are eating you alive and are going to cause you to get the answers quicker than you are ready.

            “FIRST” little isn’t a reference to stature but it’s typical that you would feel the need to placate your case with that.

            “SECOND” little isn’t a reference to intelligence. (gosh, Neil, you are sounding like you are on the cusp of an inferiority complex.)

            “THIRD” (I see your point….it’s really kinda fun to yell at people rather than converse with them!) You are a typically boring, tired, old, hateful little boy who can’t get your way, so you have to try to bully people into shrinking into a corner to hide….”oh no, Mister Neil, don’t call me those terrible names, I might start believing you.” Hahaha, sad, sad little man.

          • Jack Oliver

            Reductive reasoning is bad for society. Don’t do it. It’s bad.

          • Martin G.

            I guess you missed the fact that I was highlighting the ridiculousness of their argument that I had to “prove” the existence of God. As if we need any more proof of His existence – He has revealed Himself throughout the entire Universe. It’s just that the unenlightened mind cannot discern it.

          • https://disqus.com/home/channel/atheismftw/ Ian Cooper

            The fact that a universe exists is not “proof” of a god. It’s not even “evidence” for a god. I think you need to learn what constitutes evidence and what is required for proof.

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            WHILE YOUR MICKY MOUSE GOD, MAY HAVE REVEALED HIMSELF IN THE MINDS OF YOU POOR DELUDED PROGRAMMED RELIGIOUS ROBOT CHRISTIANS, HE-SHE-IT HAS NOT DONE SO IN THE MINDS, OR IN THE AWARENESS OF ANYONE ELSE.

          • Martin G.

            Listen, big boy. You were once a Paratrooper, Life Guard and now are probably a bouncer. You’re probably a decent shit, so I won’t bust your balls over this, but seriously, you’re not the sharpest tool in the shed. I have reams of academic and experiential background in the Sciences, Psychology, Metaphysics and Spirituality, okay, so don’t try to mess with me. You’re doing a great job there, keep up the good work. But leave the thinking up to the professionals, okay? Peace, dude.

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            FIRST, OH SO LOGICALLY, FACTUALLY WRONG AND OH SO PROGRAMMED ONE, I NOT ONLY HAVE HIGH MILITARY, COLLEGE AND OTHER INTELLIGENCE TEST SCORES, A PHD, DR. CHARLES HEARN, OF SANTA MONICA, CA., WHO RESEARCHED INTELLIGENCE, AFTER A SERIES OF INTERVIEWS AND IQ TESTS INFORMED ME:

            “NEIL, NOT ONLY ARE YOU A LOT SMARTER THAN YOU THINK YOU ARE, YOU USE YOUR INTELLIGENCE NEARLY TWICE AS EFFECTIVELY AS MOST USE THEIR INTELLIGENCE”

            SECOND, I WAS EMPLOYED AS A SUSTAINING ENGINEER FOR XEROX AND AS AN ELECTRONICS MANUFACTURING SUPERVISOR AT NCR SUPERVISING NINETY TWO EMPLOYEES WHO WERE BUILDING THE LARGE MAIN FRAME COMPUTERS.

            THIRD, THE ODDS OF YOUR MATCHING MY HIGH ABOVE MENSA LEVEL EFFECTIVE IQ ARE LESS THAN TWO PERCENT.

            SO KISS MY OLD WRINKLED PARATROOPER ASS!

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            AND CHILD, IF YOU WERE HALF AS LOGICAL AND SMART AS YOU THINK YOU ARE, YOU WOULD BE ONE OF AMERICA';S ESTIMATED 35,000,000 ATHEISTS AND WHO WERE MOSTLY ALL ONCE POOR DELUDED PROGRAMMED RELIGIOUS ROBOT CHRISTIANS LIKE YOU STILL ARE.

            IF YOU HAD A CLUE, YOU WOULD BE ASKING YOURSELF WHY THE OVER 600 MEMBERS OF THE CLERGY PROJECT, WHO ARE ALL FORMER CHRISTIAN MINISTERS, BECAME ATHEISTS. WHY THEY WERE WILLING TO LOSE FAMILY, FRIENDS PRESTIGE AND INCOME, TO BE SUBJUGATED BY HATE BY CHRISTIANS. IT WAS BECAUSE THEY ARE MORE INTERESTED IN THE TRUTH THAN RELIEVING WHAT THEY, LIKE YOU, WERE PROGRAMMED TO BELIEVE

          • Martin G.

            First of all, Neil, don’t call me “child”. And secondly, if you’re as smart as you claim you are, then you would EASILY understand that the reason 600 former Christian ministers ended up renouncing their “faith”, is simply because they were fakers from the start, and probably only joined the clergy because their parents and families expected them to do it. You would also EASILY recognize that that fact in itself has NO BEARING whatsoever on whether God exists. That conclusion requires only the barest minimum of critical reasoning, so why are you struggling with it still? C’mon, if you want to argue with me, at least present a cogent basis for your case and save yourself the embarrassment of public humiliation. Come back with something sensible and I’ll engage with you.

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            I CALL SOME “CHILD” AS THEY ARE A CHILD. AND I CALL OTHERS “CHILD” WHEN, LIKE IN YOUR CASE, THEY CLEARLY DEMONSTRATE THEIR THINKING SKILLS ARE THOSE OF CHILDREN. SOMETHING WHICH YOU HAVE JUST PROVEN BY YOUR USING A TYPICAL PROGRAMMED RELIGIOUS REPLY. QUOTE: “because they were fakers from the start.” AS THOSE WHO ACCUSE OTHERS OF LYING WHEN THEY HAVE NO EVIDENCE, MUCH LESS ANY PROOF TREY ARE LYING, AR USING THEIR OWN EXCEPTIONALLY POOR AND LOW ETHICS, HONOR INTEGRITY AND MORALS STANDARDS TO JUDGE
            OTHERS.

            SUCH A CHILDISH RESPONSE PROVES YOU ARE JUST LIKE ALL PROGRAMMED RELIGIOUS ROBOTS!

            “GIVE MBA CHILD UNTIL THE AGE OF SIX AND-THEY ARE MINE FOREVER,”

            FIRST, PROGRAMMED PEOPLE HAVE NO IDEA THEY WERE EVER PROGRAMMED IN THE FIRST PLACE. MUCH LESS HOW VERY PROGRAMMED THEY STILL ARE.

            SECOND, PROGRAMMED PEOPLE, WHEN DISCUSSING ANY SUBJECT THEY HAVE BEEN PROGRAMMED3D TO BELIEVE, LOSE ANY ABILITIES THEY MAY HAVE TO USE THEIR KNOWLEDGE, COMMON SENSE, USE OF LOGIC AND CRITICAL THINKING SKILLS, THIS AS THOSE SKILLS ARE OVERRIDEN BY THEIR PROGRAMMING.
            OF COURSE WHILE RELIGIOUS ROBOTS CAN SEE THE EFFECTS OF TERRIBLE THINGS,LIKE 9-11, CAUSED BY THE PROGRAMMING OF THOSE OF OTHER RELIGIONS AND ACCEPT THEY DO THOSE THING DUE TO THEIR BEING PROGRAMMED TO DO THEM, THEIR OWN PROGRAMMING IS SO STRONG, THEY AREUNABLE TO SEE THEY ARE JUST AS PROGRAMMED AS ARE THE OTHERS.

            THIRD, VERY THANKFULLY, IN MANY CASES, AS THE MANY MILLIONS OF THE FORMERLY PROGRAMMED PROVE, THE PROGRAMING IS NOT ALWAYS FOOL PROOF. THUS, SOME THING, OF A SERIES OF THINGS DONE AND/OR SAID, CAUSE THE PROGRAMMED START QUESTIONING, AND ONCE TH’S HAS BEGUN, IN MOST CASES, IT RESULTS IN THEIR BEING TO, EVENTUALLY, DE-PROGRAM THEM SELVES.

          • Martin G.

            “FIRST, PROGRAMMED PEOPLE HAVE NO IDEA THEY WERE EVER PROGRAMMED IN
            THE FIRST PLACE. MUCH LESS HOW VERY PROGRAMMED THEY STILL ARE.SECOND,
            PROGRAMMED PEOPLE, WHEN DISCUSSING ANY SUBJECT THEY HAVE BEEN
            PROGRAMMED3D TO BELIEVE, LOSE ANY ABILITIES THEY MAY HAVE TO USE THEIR
            KNOWLEDGE, COMMON SENSE, USE OF LOGIC AND CRITICAL THINKING SKILLS,
            THIS AS THOSE SKILLS ARE OVERRIDDEN BY THEIR PROGRAMMING.”
            Neil, you’ve just described yourself to a ‘T’. You’ve been totally programmed by unbelievers, without an iota of proof. How could you be so naive? Btw, why do you write only in CAPS? It makes you look as though you’re out of your mind.

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            Neil, you’ve just described yourself to a ‘T’. You’ve been totally programmed by unbelievers, without an iota of proof.

            FIRST CHILD, I WAS NEVER PROGRAMMED BY ANY UNBELIEVERS AS I DID NOT EVEN KNOW FOR OVER 20 YEARS OF MY BEING AN ATHEIST, THAT THERE EVEN WERE ANY OTHERS WHO HAD FIGURED OUT WHAT TOTAL BULL SHIT THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION WAS. SO AGAIN, YOU ARE BOTH LOGICALLY AND FACTUALLY PROVEN WRONG.

            How could you be so naive?

            SECOND, YOU ARE THE REAL TRUE AND ACTUAL NAIVE ONE AS YOU BELIEVE IN CHILDISH MYTHS AND A NON-EXISTENT GOD.

            TOO BAD YOU ARE SO ILLOGICAL SO IRRATIONAL AND SO CLUELESS, YOU DO NOT EVEN KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN:

            HAVING YOUR PARENTS PROGRAM YOU AS A BABY CHILD AND AS TEENAGER TO BELIEVE IN THE RELIGION THEY BELIEVED IN, WHICH, OH SO CHILD LIKE THINKER, IS WHAT “PROGRAMMING” IS,

            AND

            B. WHAT YOU LEARN DURING THE NORMAL EDUCATION ONE GETS BY SIMPLY LIVING.

            why do you write only in CAPS? It makes you look as though you’re out of your mind.

            AND OF COURSE AS YOU ARE SUCH A TOTAL LOSER, YOU ATTACK MY USE OF ALL CAPS, WHICH I USE AS I AM 81 AND I USE THEM TO SEE WHAT I AM WRITING EASIER!

            YEP, YOU LOSERS ATTACK INSTEAD OF EVEN ATTEMPTING TO PROVE WHAT I HAVE SAID IS LOGICALLY AND/OR FACTUALLY WRONG. ONLY LOSER, AS IT WOULD BE IMPOSSIBLE FOR YOU, OF ANY RELIGIOUS PERSON, TO PROVE ME WRONG, YOUR CHILDISH ATTACK WAS EXPECTED.

            AND DID I ATTACK YOU FOR YOUR SPELLING ERROR? NO,

            WHY DON’T YOU TELL DAN BARKER HE IS A FAKER?

            AFTER ALL, DAN WAS A CHRISTIAN YOUTH LEADER FOR YEARS, WROTE OVER 100 CHRISTIAN SONGS, SOME OF WHICH WERE BEST SELLERS, WAS A CHRISTIAN EVANGELICAL PREACHER FOR AROUND 19 YEARS AND WHO HAS ONE OF THE HIGHEST RECORDED IQ SCORES
            IN THE WORLD.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wc9Do 42YO8&ebc=ANyPxKrq6ik2NhsHCjxNGwPs_K_sQg0OCBBam4YFDftKbq5LoH8p8mODevb2AwJ0UhLarQb-Mve8JiTjtGV7Hhqb2ku7gvnTg

            .

          • Martin G.

            Yeah, “video does not exist”. Thanks, Neil. Like the video link you provided, your rationale for believing there is no God, is also non-existent. Btw, you are beginning to sound like a raving lunatic. Are you on meds, bud? You need to take it easy and get some sanity in your life. Jesus can provide that for you. Oh, but i forgot, Jesus doesn’t exist according to you. Well, no wonder you’re losing your sanity. Take care, bro. Cheers.

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            LOOK POOR DELUDED PROGRAMMED RELIGIOUS ROBOT.

            ANY TRULY RATIONAL.LOGICAL AND INTELLIGENT NON-PROGRAMMED RELIGIOUS ROBOT. WOULD SAY IT IS YOU WHO IS A RAVING LUNATIC.

            IF YOU HAD A CLUE, YOU WOULD KNOW THE STORY OF YOUR NON-EXISTENT JESUS IS THE EXACT SAME STORY MANY OTHER SO-CALLED SAVORS HAD BEFORE THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION WAS FOUNDED. JESUS CHILD, WAS NOT THE FIRST BORN OF A VIRGIN, BORN AT OR AROUND WINTER SOLSTICE, HAD HIS OWN STAR, HAD THREE WISE MEN AT HIS BHIRT, WAS KILLED AND RESURRECTED IN THREE DAYS.

            AND ANYONE WHO ACTUALLY KNOWS HISTORY.KNOWS YOUR JESUS WAS NOT TREATED AS BEING A REAL PERSON UNTIL, IN AROUND 354 AD, THE CHRISTIANS DECIDED TO TAKE OVER THE PAGAN HOLIDAY OF WINTER SOLTICE, BY CELEBRATING THE SUPPOSED BIRTH OF JESUS.

            LAST, YOU DO NOT HAVE A SINGLE SHRED OF EVIDENCE MUCH LESS ANY PROOF YOUR CHRISTIAN GOD EXISTS WHICH A NON RELIGIOUSLY PROGRAMMED CHRISTIAN WOULD ACCEPT AS BEING VALID!

            PERIOD! END OF STORY!
            DO A YOUTUBE SEARCH FOR THE CLERGY PROJECT AND YOU WILL FIND, ASIDE FROM DAN BARKER, MANY VIDEOS MADE BY FORMER CHRISTIAN MINISTERS.

          • Martin G.

            Neil, Neil. You are as thick as a brick, aren’t you, old sot? I don’t care what six million people say on the internet. I don’t care what ten million books say. I don’t care what anyone thinks. And that is because I have, as countless others have done, met Jesus in person and witnessed miracles as a result of it. But you will continue to rant your insane diatribes about what this book says, or what someone on the internet whom you’ve never met, says. And that is because you don’t really know, so you need someone else’s approval to back up your theories. One day, just one day, Neil – – learn to think for yourself, okay? It’s not that scary once you try it. Take care, buddy. God bless.

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            SANE PEOPLE BELIEVE IN WHAT CAN BE PROVEN. IT IS THE PROGRAMMED AND/OR THE INSANE WHO BELIEVE IN THINGS THEY CAN NOT PROVE TO ALL OTHERS ACTUALLY EXISTS!

            YOU JUST KEEP PROVING WHAT A TOTAL WACKO AND LOSER YOU ARE AS RATHER THAN YOUR EVEN ATTEMPTING TO PROVE WHAT I SAY IS LOGICALLY AND/OR FACTUALLY WRONG, YOU RESORT TO PERSONAL ATTACKS. YOUR ACTIONS ALSO PROVE HOW USELESS YOUR RELIGION IS AS FAR AS MAKING YOU A DECENT PERSON.!

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            USING THE BIBLE TO PROVE THE CHRISTIAN GOD DOES NOT EXIST

            FORMER CHRISTIAN MINISTER DAN BARKER COVERS A FEW OF MANY BIBLE CONTRADICTIONS WHICH LOGICALLY PROVE THE CHRISTIAN GOD DOES NOT EXIST.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bpZxo2X4BQ

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            IT IS NOT ATHEISTS WHO FLY AIRPLANES INTO BUILDING BLOW UP MARATHON RACES AND WHO PUT BOMBS WHERE THEY WILL KILL INNOCENT MEN, WOMEN, CHILDREN ANS BABIES. NOPE IT IS RELIGIOUS MUSLIMS WHO DO THOSE THINGS. IT IS POOR, DELUDED, PROGRAMMED RELIGIOUS ROBOTS.

            IT IS NOT ATHEISTS WHO KILL DOCTORS AND OTHER HEALTH CARE WORKERS, WHO BLOW UP GAY BARS AND HEATH CLINICS. OR BLOW UP THE FEDERAL BUILDING IN OK. CITY, AND WHO BOMB THE OLYMPICS IN ATLANTA AND KILL INNOCENT MEN, WOMEN, CHILDREN & PERHAPS EVEN BABIES.

            NOPE, IT IS YOU CHRISTIANS WHO DO THOSE THINGS.

            YEP, IT IS POOR, DELUDED, PROGRAMMED RELIGIOUS ROBOT CHRISTIANS WHO DO THOSE THINGS FOR THEIR MAKE-BELIEVE GOD! IT IS CHRISTIANS LIKE YOU WHO DO THOSE THINGS FOR THEIR MAKE-BELIEVE GOD!

          • Martin G.

            Neil, I thought you told me that you possessed a high level of intelligence? Because even a person of average intelligence could easily deduce that the those who commit terrorist acts in the name of some ‘god’ are but psychopaths who will use any excuse, whether religious, political or otherwise, to justify their actions. So why are you struggling to understand? I suspect that you have let your emotions overrule your intellect, thus preventing you from seeing the situation clearly. That is the First Rule of Science and Logic: not to allow your judgment to be swayed by emotion. And you have broken that rule, Neil, so that puts you in the same category as terrorists and murderers as you commit ‘mass character assassination’ against all the sane, law-abiding, rational, altruistic believers in Christ. There’s a fine line between genius and insanity, Neil, and you have crossed that line.

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            AS ATHEISTS SIMPLY DISBELIEVE IN ONE LESS GOD THAN DO CHRISTIANS, THE ATTACKS AND INSULTS DIRECTED AT ATHEISTS BY CHRISTIANS CLEARLY DEMONSTRATE THE TOTAL FAILURE OF THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION TO INSTILL TOLERANCE, ETHICS, INTEGRITY HONOR AND MORALS, OR ANY SENSE OF DECENCY IN IT’S FOLLOWERS.

            SOME INFORMATION FOR YOU. MOST OF AMERICA’S ESTIMATED 35,000,000 ATHEISTS WERE CHRISTIANS. MULTI-MILLIONS OF FORMER CHRISTIANS ARE NOW ATHEISTS AND LIKE IT OR NOT, ATHEISM IS WINNING THE NUMBERS BATTLE.

            AS ALL YOU ARE IS A LOGICALLY CHALLANGED, FACT DENYING, PROGRAMMED RELIGIOUS ROBOT, YOU ARE NOT WORTH A MINUTE MORE OF MY TIME!

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            LOOK YOU PROGRAMMED RELIGIOUS ROBOT, THE FACTS PROVE MY EFFECTIVE IQ IS IN THE TOP TWO PERCENT AND I REALLY CARE LESS IF SOME TOTAL ASSHOLE CHRISTIAN LIKE YOU THINKS. COMPARED TO ME, YOU ARE A ZERO!

          • Martin G.

            Neil, you sound like a very sick man, and I suggest you get some help before your situation gets any worse. I wish you the best, bro. Good luck.

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            AS ATHEISTS SIMPLY DISBELIEVE IN ONE LESS GOD THAN DO CHRISTIANS, THE ATTACKS AND INSULTS DIRECTED TO ATHEISTS BY CHRISTIANS CLEARLY DEMONSTRATE THE TOTAL FAILURE OF THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION TO INSTILL TOLERANCE, ETHICS, INTEGRITY HONOR AND MORALS, OR ANY SENSE OF DECENCY IN IT’S FOLLOWERS.

          • Martin G.

            Hey Neil, since we’re having this discussion on a page about celebrity atheists, check out this little nugget I just found. It just confirms what many of us already know: that the media industry is a fertile breeding ground for lies and deception.:
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OO1bwwBJ9jk

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            WHY SHOULD I READ ANYTHING YOU SAY AFTER YOU INFORM ME YOU DO NOT READ WHAT I POST?

            TYPICAL CHRISTIAN DOUBLE STANDARD?

            ANY FYI #1 FOR YOU, THERE ARE NO ILLUMINATE AND THERE HAVE NOT BEEN FOR HUNDREDS OF YEARS.

            FYY # 2 FOR YOU GUESS WHAT, THEY MAKE FICTION MOVIES IN HOLLYWOOD.
            FYI # 3. THERE HAVE BEEN A BUNCH OF FICTION CHRISTIAN MOVIES COME OUT LATELY

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            FORMER CHRISTIAN MINISTER DAN BARKER COVERS A FEW OF MANY BIBLE CONTRADICTIONS WHICH LOGICALLY PROVE THE CHRISTIAN GOD DOES NOT EXIST.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bpZxo2X4BQ

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            SANE PEOPLE BELIEVE IN WHAT CAN BE PROVEN. IT IS THE PROGRAMMED AND/OR THE INSANE WHO BELIEVE IN THINGS THEY CAN NOT PROVE TO ALL OTHERS EXIST!

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            I CALL SOME “CHILD” BECAUSE THEY ARE A CHILD. I CALL OTHERS “CHILD” WHEN, LIKE IN YOUR CASE, THEY CLEARLY DEMONSTRATE THEIR THINKING SKILLS ARE THOSE OF CHILDREN.

            SOMETHING WHICH YOU HAVE JUST PROVEN BY YOUR USING A TYPICAL PROGRAMMED RELIGIOUS ROBOT REPLY OF. QUOTE: “because they were fakers from the start.” AS THOSE WHO ACCUSE OTHERS OF LYING WHEN THEY HAVE NO EVIDENCE, MUCH LESS ANY PROOF TREY ARE LYING, PROVE THEY ARE USING THEIR OWN EXCEPTIONALLY POOR AND VERY LOW STANDARDS OF ETHICS, HONOR INTEGRITY AND MORALS TO JUDGE OTHERS.

            SUCH A CHILDISH RESPONSE PROVES YOU ARE JUST LIKE ALL PROGRAMMED RELIGIOUS ROBOTS, INCAPABLE OF USING COMMON SENSE. KNOWLEDGE, CRITICAL THINKING SKILLS EXPERIENCE AND LOGIC WHEN DISCUSSING THEIR OWN RELIGIOUS BELIEFS.

            “GIVE ME A CHILD UNTIL THE AGE OF SIX AND-THEY ARE MINE FOREVER,”

            FIRST, PROGRAMMED PEOPLE HAVE NO IDEA THEY WERE EVER PROGRAMMED BY THOSE WHO RAISED THEM IN THE FIRST PLACE. MUCH LESS HOW PROGRAMMED THEY STILL ARE. (OF COURSE THE MULTI MILLIONS OF THE FORMERLY PROGRAMMED, ALL KNOW THIS IS TRUE,-)

            SECOND, PROGRAMMED PEOPLE, WHEN DISCUSSING ANY SUBJECT OTHER THAN WHAT THEY HAVE BEEN PROGRAMMED TO BELIEVE, THEY HAVE BEEN PROGRAMMED3D TO BELIEVE, CAN FULLY USE THEIR KNOWLEDGE, COMMON SENSE, USE OF LOGIC AND CRITICAL THINKING SKILLS. YET WHEN THEY ARE DISCUSSING THEIR VERY OWN RELIGIOUS BELIEFS, ANY ABILITIES THEY MAY HAVE TO USE THEIR KNOWLEDGE, COMMON SENSE, USE OF LOGIC AND CRITICAL THINKING SKILLS ARE OVERRIDDEN BY THEIR PROGRAMMING AND THUS NON-EXISTENT.

            OF COURSE WHILE RELIGIOUS ROBOTS CAN SEE THE EFFECTS OF TERRIBLE THINGS,LIKE 9-11, CAUSED BY THE PROGRAMMING OF THOSE OF OTHER RELIGIONS (-MUSLIMS-) AND ACCEPT THEY DO THOSE THING DUE TO THEIR BEING PROGRAMMED TO DO THEM, THEIR OWN PROGRAMMING IS SO STRONG, THEY ARE UNABLE TO SEE THEY ARE JUST AS PROGRAMMED AS ARE THE MUSLIMS WHO STRAP BOMBS TO THEIR BODES SO THEY CAN KILL INNOCENT OTHERS AS WELL AS THEMSELVES.

            ANY WHO DO NOT REALIZE MUSLIMS DUE THESE THINGS DUE TO THE RELIGIOUS PROGRAMING THEY RECEIVED AS BABIES, CHILDREN AND TEENAGERS, ARE NOT THE SHARPEST KNIFE IN THE DRAWER, THEY ARE A FEW CANS SHORT OF A SIX PACK. THEY ARE FACT DENYING LOGICALLY CHALLENGED FOOLS.

            THIRD, VERY THANKFULLY, IN MANY CASES, AS THE MANY, MANY MILLIONS OF THE FORMERLY PROGRAMMED PROVE, THE PROGRAMING IS NOT ALWAYS FOOL PROOF. THUS, SOME THING, OF A SERIES OF THINGS DONE AND/OR SAID, CAUSE THE PROGRAMMED START QUESTIONING, AND ONCE TH’S HAS BEGUN, IN MOST CASES, IT RESULTS IN THEIR BEING TO, EVENTUALLY, DE-PROGRAM THEM SELVES.

            AND FYI. HISTORY HAS PROVEN THAT MANY TIMES THE THING WHICH CAUSED THEM TO BEGIN THEIR JOURNEY TOWARD THE TOTAL FREEDOM OF BOTH THOUGHT AND ACTION A LACK OF RELIGIOUS BELIEF BRINGS, IS THEIR CAREFULLY READING THE BIBLE FROM FRONT TO BACK COVER.

            NEXT TO LAST, YOU POOR DELUDED PROGRAMMED RELIGIOUS ROBOT, I DO NOT TAKE THE TIME AND EXPEND MY ENERGY REPLYING TO YOU WITH THE HOPES OF CHANGING YOUR MIND AS, AT THIS TIME, IT IS HOPELESS, RATHER, I DO SO FOR THE MORE OPEN MINDED AND RATIONAL BELEIVERS WHO MAY READ WHAT I SAY. YOU SEE, I KNOW MY WORDS HAVE ALREADY CONVERTED SOME OF THOSE WHO WERE ONCE AS PROGRAMMED AS YOU ARE.

            AND LAST CHILD NOT ONLY CAN ALL NON RELIGIOUSLY PROGRAMMED PERSON READING THIS KNOW EVERYTHING I HAVE SAID IS VERY SENSIBLE, SO, I WILL BET, DO SOME OF THE MORE LOGICAL INFORMED AND INTELLIGENT RELIGIOUS BELIEVERS.

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            HERE GO AHEAD TELL THESE GUYS THEY ARE LIARS! http://clergyproject.org/nonbelieving-atheist-contact/

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT
          • NEIL C. REINHARDT
          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            FIRST, OH SO LOGICALLY, FACTUALLY WRONG AND OH SO PROGRAMMED ONE, I NOT ONLY HAVE HIGH MILITARY, COLLEGE AND OTHER INTELLIGENCE TEST SCORES, A PHD, DR. CHARLES HEARN, OF SANTA MONICA, CA., WHO RESEARCHED INTELLIGENCE, AFTER A SERIES OF INTERVIEWS AND IQ TESTS INFORMED ME:

            “NEIL, NOT ONLY ARE YOU A LOT SMARTER THAN YOU THINK YOU ARE, YOU USE YOUR INTELLIGENCE NEARLY TWICE AS EFFECTIVELY AS MOST USE THEIR INTELLIGENCE”

            SECOND, I WAS EMPLOYED AS A SUSTAINING ENGINEER FOR XEROX AND AS AN ELECTRONICS MANUFACTURING SUPERVISOR AT NCR SUPERVISING NINETY TWO EMPLOYEES WHO WERE BUILDING THE LARGE MAIN FRAME COMPUTERS.

            THIRD, THE ODDS OF YOUR MATCHING MY HIGH ABOVE MENSA LEVEL EFFECTIVE IQ ARE LESS THAN TWO PERCENT.

            SO KISS MY OLD WRINKLED PARATROOPER ASS!

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            PROVE THE THOUSANDS OF HINDU GODS ARE NOT REAL AND I CAN USE THE SAME PROOF ON THE GOD OF THE CHRISTIANS, JEWS AND MUSLIMS.

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            IF I KICK YOU IN THE BALLS, YOU WILL KNOW I REALLY EXIST!

          • Martin G.

            Bring it, you little wuss. I eat little stupid fuckers like you for breakfast.

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            YO RETARD, AN FYI FOR YOU, PEOPLE LIKE ME WHO ARE FORMER COLLEGE LINE BACKERS AND DEFENSIVE LINEMEN, LIFEGUARDS, , DEEP SEA DIVERS., MP’S. 101ST AIRBORNE PARATROOPERS AND LARGE LA NITE CLUB BAR BOUNCERS, ARE NOT, “LITTLE WUSSES” AND THE ODDS ASSHOLE OF YOU EATING ME ARE ZERO AS I LIKE WOMAN.

          • Martin G.

            Oh, so that’s how you got brain-injured? Bully for you, big boy. You bounce those pukes out of the bars. Good job, keep it up. But please don’t try to outhink people who actually have brains, okay? Leave the thinking up to us.

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            PLEASE CHRISTIANS, ANSWER EACH QUESTION ASKED.

            1. IS NOT THE GOD OF THE CHRISTIANS SUPPOSEDLY AN ACTUAL ALL POWERFUL, AND ALL KNOWING GOD WHO IS ALSO SUPPOSED TO BE A FAIR, KIND, COMPASSIONATE, CARING JUST AND MORAL?

            IF SO,

            2. THEN WHY DID THE GOD OF THE CHRISTIANS CREATE A WORLD LIKE OURS FILLED WITH ALL KINDS OF BAD NATURAL DISASTERS? — THINGS LIKE HURRICANES, EARTHQUAKES TORNADO’S, VOLCANO’S. FLOODS, AVALANCHES, WILD FIRES, LAND SLIDES AND TSUNAMIS?

            3. WHY DID THE GOD OF THE CHRISTIANS CREATE A WORLD WHERE SOME LIVING THINGS MUST KILL OTHER LIVING THINGS TO LIVE WHEN OTHER LIVING THINGS DO NOT?

            4. WHY DID THE GOD OF THE CHRISTIANS CREATE A WORLD FILLED WITH DISEASES SICKNESS AND STARVATION?

            5. WHY DID THE GOD OF THE CHRISTIANS CREATE A WORLD WHERE HUMANS DO THE TERRIBLE THINGS THEY DO TO BOTH OTHER LIVING THINGS AND TO THEIR FELLOW HUMANS?

            LOGICALLY, THERE ARE ONLY THREE ANSWERS,

            A. THE GOD OF THE CHRISTIANS DOES NOT EXIST

            OR

            B.THE GOD OF THE CHRISTIANS IS REALLY JUST A TOTAL ASSHOLE!

            OR,

            C. THE GOD OF THE CHRISTIANS IS TOTALLY INCOMPETENT!

            NO MATTER WHICH, AS SUCH A GOD IS NOT EVEN WORTHY OF MY FRIENDSHIP. MUCH LESS MY WORSHIP!

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            FIRST, THE ODDS OF YOU OUT THINKING ME ARE ZERO!

            SECOND, OH SO LOGICALLY, FACTUALLY WRONG AND OH SO PROGRAMMED ONE,

            I NOT ONLY HAVE HIGH MILITARY, COLLEGE, OTHER INTELLIGENCE TEST SCORES, A PHD, DR. CHARLES HEARN, OF SANTA MONICA, CA., WHO RESEARCHED INTELLIGENCE, AFTER A SERIES OF INTERVIEWS AND IQ TESTS INFORMED ME:

            SO KISS MY OLD WRINKLED PARATROOPER ASS!

            SO KISS MY OLD WRINKLED PARATROOPER ASS!

            THIRD, THE ODDS OF YOUR MATCHING MY HIGH

            ABOVE MENSA LEVEL EFFECTIVE IQ ARE LESS THAN TWO PERCENT.SECOND, I WAS EMPLOYED AS A SUSTAINING ENGINEER FOR XEROX AND AS AN ELECTRONICS MANUFACTURING SUPERVISOR AT NCR SUPERVISING NINETY TWO EMPLOYEES WHO WERE BUILDING THE LARGE MAIN FRAME COMPUTERS. “NEIL, NOT ONLY ARE YOU A LOT SMARTER THAN YOU THINK YOU ARE, YOU USE YOUR INTELLIGENCE NEARLY TWICE AS EFFECTIVELY AS MOST USE THEIR INTELLIGENCE” FIRST,

            SO KISS MY OLD WRINKLED PARATROOPER ASS!

          • Thabang Maepa

            your question is motivated by your failure to distinguish between reality and imagination..which is not our problem but yours

          • Martin G.

            I don’t have a problem, Kabang. If you knew anything about reality, you would have known that. But you don’t…

          • David Nathan Viger Jr

            The best “evidence” is the miracle of personal revelation, what brings about one’s faith. Try explaining what salt tastes like to someone who has never tasted it!

          • Cassandra Morrison

            And the evidence that God does NOT exist is where?
            Like ourselves, my friend, all you have to go on are personal beliefs and psychological predilection.
            Of course, we can also claim “felt experience of the Presence of God” in our lives but I fully realize that that doesn’t help anyone who HASN’T experienced that.
            Examine your predicate, my friend. The proposition that the Universe exists in and of itself cannot be scientifically demonstrated either.

          • Paula Wilson Mullen

            Just out of curiosity do you Nick, have evidence to the contrary? Can you show me any proof what so ever that there is not some kind of creator out there? Because science can not prove nor disprove the existence of a creator, nor does it attempt to do so. Scientific theory, changes every day. At best you can show someone that the bible is full of misinformation, but that does not prove that a creator does not exist. Just to be argumentative.

          • Eddie Anderson

            You need evidence to prove God exists? lol. Die, there’s your evidence.

          • Martin G.

            It takes a special kind of paranoid to interpret a challenge as a threat. You never really grew up, did you?

          • Nick

            Christians say that something bad will happen to me unless I believe certain things. That is not a challenge, it is a threat. I at least grew up enough to know the definitions of some basic words.
            The threats do not bother me because they are based on fairy tale nonsense but the threats do further illustrate how pathetic the sales pitch of religious truly are.

          • eagle keeper

            I too have to ask God to help me daily with my unbelief. But at least I recognise I have a problem. The problem for the lost is they don’t realise they have a problem to start with. That said, if they don’t come to faith in our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ before they take their last breath, one second after arriving in Hell, they too will become believers. But sadly it will be one second too late for them.

          • Nicholaus

            This “unbelief” is logic trying to help you. It really is telling that the religious never offer evidence but threaten instead. That is what rational people call a con. It is impossible to disprove a negative, so the existence of some god is possible. Of course the existence of elves, ogres, werewolves, minotaurs, fairies, goblins, bigfoot, lizard people, unicorns, vampires, witches, dragons, giants, and every other mythical creature that man has invented is possible. The lack of evidence is very telling with all of them though. If the god of the Abrahamic religions were real there would be undeniable evidence everywhere. There isn’t, it is mythology like the thousands of other gods that humans have created.

          • Edward J Baker

            Your hatred is evidence. A purely biological material being could not have the capacity to hate unless there was a transcendent quality to existence.

          • Nick

            People not believing in your fairy tale is not hatred for the main character in the fairy tale. Please provide one example of me displaying hatred of any kind. Or keep using strawman arguments.

          • Mike Boone

            Actually, Nick, maybe you’re selling Gary Sampson a little bit short by stating that he has no evidence. Because I have little doubt that the religious beliefs with which he has been indoctrinated are backed up by every bit as much of the type of flimsy, superstition oriented, evidence, and hearsay, that tends to support every other one of the countless beliefs in the supernatural that humans have dreamed up over the ages. But, to its credit, at least the Hindu belief system was already in this world thousands of years before Christianity, and even long before the Hebrew religion of Abraham and Moses, from which Christianity eventually developed.
            And though I don’t hold Hindu beliefs, (For one thing, I like hamburgers too much.) I do have to respect the fact that the mostly Hindu country of India, while having the world’s 2nd largest population, is still a nation that, on average, has engaged in far fewer wars and less violence than the Christian nations have. Though Martin Luther brought the so called “Reformation” to 16th Century Germany, giving birth to the Protestant brand of Christianity, as opposed to the Roman Catholic flavor, few Christians with a good knowledge of world history would even try to claim that the moral behavior of the German people over the last 450 years has been on nearly as high a plane as that of India’s people has been. (Look at all the wars that the Christian Germany provoked during those 4 and a half centuries.)
            Back in the 1960s I was confirmed in the Lutheran Church after being taught confirmation classes by a very kindly man, who I liked a lot, Pastor Driess. We were taught in that class how Martin Luther was the “Conscience of the Church” because he fought against abuses of the Roman Catholic Church, such as its selling of indulgences, which literally involved people paying money to the Church to help secure a place for them in heaven.
            But maybe since Pastor Driess knew that many of us in his class had Jewish friends, there on Long Island, he conveniently forgot to teach us facts about Martin Luther that every historian who studies Germany knows. And chief among those details is the fact that Martin Luther was a dedicated anti-Semite whose writings advocated the destruction of Jewish synagogues and schools, the seizure of lands owned by Jews, and simply, just the ridding of Jewish people from Germany, altogether.
            Of course it wasn’t until about 400 years after Luther’s activities that Adolph Hitler largely succeeded in achieving Luther’s objective of having a Jew free Germany. And, to help them inspire much of Germany’s Christians to hate the Jews, the Nazis often quoted the writings of Martin Luther.

            It sure seems to me that no decent God would choose a man like Luther to be his messenger and help start the brand of Christianity that is now the most popular one in the United States. But Martin Luther claimed that God had chosen him, after saving his life from a tremendously intense storm. (Oh lord, what a miracle the Great One bestowed upon that Jew hater.)

            Anyhow, many of the Branch Davidians, at Waco, also believed they were witnessing a living miracle, in the form of David Koresh, who they saw as the 2nd Coming of Christ.

            But, if Luther, the founder of Protestant Christianity, can be claimed by Christians as supposedly having been a Godly man, then it may have been just as valid when Ku Klux Klan members claimed that they were being Godly by planting burning crosses in front of farmhouses occupied by black folks, and then hanging any unfortunate black people who emerged from those houses, from the most convenient oak trees.
            Yeah, considering the above, as well as the fact that the Holocaust was perpetrated by a nation that was 94% Christian, plus history giving us accounts of the various Jewish towns and villages, in the Europe of the Middle Ages, that were wiped out by rampaging Christian mobs, I’d be deeply ashamed to be labeled as being a Christian. What a disgraceful history of prejudice, intolerance, and violence that has been intertwined with the Christian religion over the centuries. Hindus and Buddhists, on average, have historically been so much less violent than Christians. And in 2016, even the forms of entertainment that members of the other 2 groups enjoy, tend to be less violent that the types of entertainment that so many Christians consume during their own leisure time.

          • Alan Macphail

            How do you know there is a “god”?. How do you know it’s yours?

          • Martin28

            I know there is a God, because He revealed Himself to me, and I witnessed miracles done in His name. What flimsy argument do you have to contend that He doesn’t exist? The fact that He hasn’t revealed Himself to you? That is not a valid argument.

          • Dopdop No

            Yes sir, i agree with you. Well, we do not actually need any more miracles. An air we breathe is one of the example that most people just ignored it and did not appreciate.

          • Artimus Clyde

            The air we breathe? Seriously???? That’s your argument???? You know why we breathe air right? You know what air consists of right? All of these things are easily EASILY explained. You’re walking into platitude area.

          • Mike Boone

            Yeah, the air we breathe, sure, what a great miracle. To me, a continuing miracle seems to be that so many religious folks can continually say the most ridiculous things, never realizing that such stupid statements just strengthen the case being made by non-believers whenever those particular types of religious people open their mouths, or type away, on a keyboard.

          • Mike Boone

            The fact that prayers are never answered, is one good proof that no god is there. And by answered prayers, I’m referring to ones that could only be granted by supernatural means, and not be a matter of chance, like an unlikely cancer remission.

            Someone who had lost both legs in an accident, miraculously growing them back during a faith healing, would definitely be a case of god answering a prayer.

            On 9/11/2001, when people all over the world were alerted to the fact that a terrorist created disaster was taking place that was so horrific that victims were jumping a thousand feet to their deaths, that caused a far greater number of the world’s people to pray to god for his help, than had ever happened before, or since. Now if a god great enough to create the universe existed, he, or it, obviously had the power to put out those fires. And at least 3 or 4 billion people of the world’s 7 billion population were praying for exactly that, to help those poor desperate people, as well as for the sake of the children who needed those folks.

            But since no miracles from heaven materialized to provide aid on 9/11, that leaves us with 3 possibilities:

            1. No god exists.

            2. A god existed, but lacked the power or the ability to help on 9/11, meaning that such a god was impotent as far as the victims, and those praying for them, were concerned.

            3. A god existed, but did not care to help on 9/11, meaning that such a god is basically evil, and may have even approved of the action that the terrorists undertook in murdering thousands of people.

            Sorry, that there don’t seem to be any possibilities that are more positive than those ones, but that’s just the way it is.

          • Martin G.

            Apparently you overlooked the fourth possibility: that God had called and called to those victims for many years, and yet they ignored His voice because they had “very important business” to attend to, and so they continued to chase after the big bucks and climb their career ladders. Eventually God left them alone and attended to the poor people whose lives weren’t filled with worldly distractions like big-screen TVs, World Series games, Lady Gaga concerts, Rolex watches, Mercedes coupes, GICs, stocks and bonds, etc. So after God left them, Satan noticed that they were without any sort of protection, and being that his mission is to “kill, steal and destroy” (John 10:10), that is exactly what he did. He carefully planned out the attack, insuring the buildings for many times over their actual market value so that he would reap huge rewards after their destruction (do your own research on this). Satan didn’t give a hoot how many people would be scorched to ashes or jump to their death, as they were just pawns to him in this huge cash grab. Why didn’t God try to stop this from happening, you ask? Well, Mike, He did. I was awoken by a worldwide broadcast from an Archangel approximately one year prior to the attack with a warning call to drop what I was doing and get ready to serve the Kingdom of God. I responded to that call, and have been serving Jesus and witnessing miracles ever since. See, God knows exactly what Satan is up to, and so He calls and calls and calls, but after people don’t respond He moves on and seeks people who are willing to serve Him. Unfortunately for those who ignored Him, His protection has moved on as well. Remember the Passover sprinkling of the blood of the lamb on the door frames in the Old Testament? The people who obeyed God’s commands were spared from the Angel of Death, but the Egyptians lost all their firstborns. If you warned all of your neighbors that a violent storm was approaching and they mocked you, laughing and getting drunk, wouldn’t you eventually say to hell with them, gather up your family and head for the hills? Of course you would. Well, so would God. It doesn’t take a whole lot of brains to figure this out, Mike, and I know you’re not stupid, so what’s your excuse?

          • Mike Boone

            Martin, I realize that you are what religious folks often refer to themselves as: “A God fearing person.” And that’s why you are too afraid to ever make even the smallest criticism of God.
            On 9/11, billions of people, all over the world, prayed to God to help those desperate Americans, but God, if he exists, instead of helping, just sat on his all powerful ass watching Americans splatter on the streets, as their children lost mothers and fathers.

            Lately, you have been nicer and more polite to me, Martin, but that now means nothing when I see you blaming the victims of 9/11 for their own murders, because you personally think that the thousands of victims all lacked enough devotion to God.

            What you have just said, Martin, is truly despicable, because you don’t know the personalities or the particular behaviors of the almost 3,000 Americans that your so called “Merciful God” watched being slaughtered, while he ignored their prayers, as well as turning a deaf ear to the prayers of the billions of people, of good will, all over the world, who obviously cared for those victims more than your supposedly loving God did.

            And Martin, I guarantee that among those murdered Americans there were many people as devoted and loyal to God, as you are. For example, there were Catholics who stopped at church, and lit a candle, while saying a prayer, every morning, before going to work at the World Trade Center. But you are mentally sick enough, Martin, that you blame such people for their own murders. It really takes an ignorant religious fanatic to make your moronic kind of claim.
            (a fanatic just like the ones who flew planes into buildings)

            The sad thing about a religious zealot like you is that you don’t even realize that you are just one inch away from being identical to the terrorist assholes that committed the mass murder of 9/11. Those Muslims also thought our fellow Americans deserved to die for lack of devotion to God, but that God, Allah, was simply a different one than the God that you have been suckered into believing in.

            And Martin, if you are really in contact with the spirit world, it’s obvious that those spirits must be demons who are speaking to you, for you to now have gone so far off the rails that you blame the thousands of Americans who were slaughtered on 9/11, for their own murders. Man, your form of God belief really causes you to be vicious, as well as, stupid.

            Apparently Martin, you were born many decades too late. Because, with you being a guy who defends the mass murder of Americans, you seemed to have missed a calling that would have been a natural fit for you. Because I recently saw a documentary about how a number of the people who were in charge of Hitler’s concentration camp’s were still practicing Christians, who were granted furloughs so they could go home to celebrate Christmas with their families. And the head of one death camp, who was interviewed after the war, said he firmly believed that by ordering the mass gassing of Jews, he had really been doing God’s work.

            A great scientist, Sam Harris, made a statement regarding why a possible God could have failed to respond to the years of prayers of people in the 1940s, who were pleading with God to end the Holocaust of Hitler’s death camps. What Harris said also applies to any possible God sitting on his all-powerful ass, and doing nothing, while viewing the carnage of 9/11.

            Mr Harris said that the prayers of the poor victims of the Nazis not bringing God’s help indicated 1 of 2 things if a God exists:

            1. Either that God could do nothing to stop the Holocaust, which would mean that he’s impotent.
            or
            2. God was capable of helping, but didn’t care to: Meaning that he is Evil.

            Well, having personally known people who worked in the World Trade Center, I know one thing for sure: To accurately describe a God who could have used his almighty power to save the victims of 9/11, but didn’t care to help, would not be Supreme Being, but instead, a truly accurate title for him would be The Supreme Asshole Of The Universe.

            Have a nice evening, Martin, but instead of you maybe counting sheep to help you get to sleep, I really hope that a religious fanatic like you, won’t be happily counting the burning and falling victims of 9/11 to ease you off to sleep.

            Actually, I can’t imagine how someone like you who thinks the Americans on 9/11 who were slaughtered deserved to be murdered, could ever get to sleep, if you really possess a conscience.

          • Martin G.

            Sorry, Mike, but I’m not even reading your posts anymore. And that is because you’re not searching for the truth, you’re SEARCHING FOR EXCUSES TO AVOID THE TRUTH. The Devil will provide you a myriad deceptive reasons to disbelieve in God and live an “ordinary” life. Unfortunately, however, when this life is over, you will have to face Judgment, and where will your buddy Satan be when you have to account for your time spent on Earth? He will be hiding in the shadows, snickering as you fumble to explain yourself. Well, I hope you enjoy your very brief time on this planet, Mike, but I have important things to attend to and an amazing God to serve. Perhaps I’ll see you on the other side one day, but I’m sure we won’t be neighbors.

          • Mike Boone

            Martin, here you are in your latest post (that the computer indicates you entered just 8 hours ago) saying “Sorry, Mike, but I’m not even reading your posts anymore”, which instantly proves to me, and everyone who reads this forum, that you are a liar. Because you clearly wrote “your posts”, as in more than 1 of my posts, that you supposedly haven’t been reading, yet like a faithful puppy dog (or even a faithful guinea pig) you have responded to every post that I’ve directed at you, up until this one.

            But don’t feel bad, like Donald Trump, you’re probably just a compulsive liar who can’t help himself. But at least our new President is smart enough to know that the Devil is a only a symbolic figure, and that intelligent people gave up believing in a literal Devil, back in the Dark Ages, when they also discarded other superstitious beliefs such as, breaking a mirror giving one 7 years of bad luck, or being cursed if you cross the path of a black cat.

            Of course, you won’t find any of America’s eminent scientists, who have won the Nobel Prize, holding the superstition that the Devil is an actual being, because unlike a fear filled ignoramus, such as yourself Martin, they require these minor little things called facts and evidence on which to base their thinking.

            Also, unlike you, Martin, these scientists are not sick enough, or ignorant enough, to ever agree with your belief that the nearly 3,000 Americans murdered on 9/11, deserved to die, because of your assumption that they all lacked sufficient devotion to God. That makes your thinking about the same as that of the radical Muslim terrorists who slaughtered our fellow citizens. You are so much like those idiots, Martin, because a radical Christian fanatic, like you, is just as judgmental, ignorant and heartless, as a radical Muslim fanatic is.

            So, try not to strain yourself too much, Martin, as you continue your useless life of continually condemning people whose hearts and minds contain feelings and thoughts that you have no clue about.

            BTW, though it’s obvious that I would have no use for the sadistic and heartless God that you believe in (even if HE did exist), the next time that you think you are talking to The Great One, just pass along a message for me, that your God can just kiss my ass!

          • Mike Boone

            You can stop lying Martin, because obviously YOU HAVE BEEN READING MY MOST RECENT POSTS, because each day Discus has been placing a response from you, to my last post, in my gmail inbox. And I thought that you Christians weren’t supposed to be LIARS! But nevertheless, I have found that your responses to me often vary in a range that can include them being anything from somewhat entertaining, all the way up to being truly shocking, in how your responses can also indicate that you are gripped by an absolutely astounding level of delusion.

            Martin, you are deeply in need of some serious professional help to enable you to grapple with the complexities of our modern world.

            But just to let you know that, unlike with your case, fear of the “invisible boogie man in the sky” doesn’t rule my life, so your sadistic and heartless Christian fantasy God can just kiss my ass, while his little son, Jesus, is banging Mary Magdalene, from behind, doggy style, and the Virgin Mary is performing oral sex on John the Baptist. (Man , she sure does LOVE those Baptists!) Gee, come to think of it, that could be a great plot outline for a religious themed movie! The film would certainly feature some people on their knees.

          • Mike Boone

            Martin, since between the 2 of us, you’re the one who believes that the New Testament is God’s word, then surely you know Matthew 18:19, which has Jesus saying: “Again, truly I tell you that if two of you on earth agree about anything they ask for, it will be done for them by my Father in heaven.”

            Well, on September 11th 2001, with the whole world alerted to the horror that was taking place in America, the huge number of folks all praying at the same time, for God to help the terrorist victims, was at least 2 billion times 2 people.

            But in your self-righteousness, Martin, without evening knowing these victims personally, you feel qualified to judge the almost 3 thousand of them, who were murdered, as being unworthy of God’s aid. Yet Matthew 18:19 mentions nothing about people having to be worthy before asking God for help, but merely that any 2 people on earth who ask together for God’s help, will receive it. And 9/11 was a case of billions of people all asking God for the same thing. Preachers claim that prayers of a large group can be more effective than one person praying alone, so if prayer ever had the power to enlist the help of a God, some miraculous help should have arrived on 9/11, since more people prayed at the same time, and were asking for the same thing, than at any other time in human history.

            Anyway Martin, your heartless and judgmental attitude toward strangers presents you as the kind of thoroughly despicable human being who is playing a major role in causing more and more Americans to cast aside belief in God and religious practice. In the last decade, the proportion of Americans who identify themselves as Christians has declined by 7%, and that trend is continuing. And this decline is occurring in all age groups, and in every region of our country.

            And it’s unthinking religious fanatics, who lack sensitivity toward others, like you Martin, that make so many of us freethinkers, glad, as well as, proud, that we have grown up and rejected your childish, fear based, type of nonsense.

            But, Martin G, since you obviously feel well qualified to judge people who you don’t even know, maybe the rest of us on this forum should have long realized that you use that G to identify yourself, because you believe that it stands for you possessing God-like authority.

            Well Martin, have a good time today, as you judge the rest of us, from up there in Heaven.

          • Martin G.

            So wrong-headed as to not even warrant a reply. That’s why I stopped reading your endless, hypothetical arguments, Mike. People like you would rather argue forever than understand the truth. “The letter kills, but the Spirit gives life” (2 Cor. 3:6). Btw, if all the Quantum physicists were atheists as you maintained, why do you suppose the Higgs-Boson was dubbed “the God particle”? Haha! Please, don’t bother replying, Mike. Just get a real life.

          • Mike Boone

            Martin, are you really so stupid that you can actually continue claiming that you aren’t reading my posts, while simultaneously saying that a post I just entered an hour ago, is so wrong headed, that it doesn’t warrant a reply? But YOUR VERY STATEMENT that my post warranted no reply, IS A REPLY FROM YOU! (Gee, you religious fanatics really have no clue about how stupid that your communication skills seem!)

            It’s hilarious that when I post something you have to react with a post of your own. You seem to automatically react, in much the same way that Pavlov discovered that he could always get those famous dogs to react.

            BTW, speaking of dogs, a neighbor has this huge German Shepherd that starts using his monstrous bark in the middle of almost every night, waking up half the neighborhood. Since Jesus was supposed to be “The Prince of Peace” please say a prayer for us that Jesus might come down tonight, and possibly perform oral sex on that dog, to calm him down. If Jesus would cause the dog to have an orgasm, that would certainly be likely to make the animal relax, and half the population of our neighborhood might be eternally grateful to The Prince of Peace for actually living up to that title. And Christ finds that the special ministrations that he extends to that dog’s genital area end up leaving a bad taste in his “Holy Mouth”, I’m sure that the neighbors and I would be willing to donate a few sticks of chewing gum to tide little Jesus over, just so that we could show our gratitude for Christ using his oral skills for something more practical than just idle preaching.

          • Mike Boone

            Martin G speaks like a man who truly has no sensible defense for my pointing out how despicable he is for having said that the God he believes in, withheld aid and protection for the Americans murdered on 9/11, because, supposedly, all of those poor murder victims fell short in their levels of devotion to the kind of sick God, that Martin G is deluded enough to believe in.

          • Mike Boone

            Martin, you said on Feb 22nd that my post warranted no reply, but now, here on Feb 23rd, at 8:57 AM, Discus sent a brand new notification of you posting another reply to me on Celebrity Tune. Martin G, you need to start living up to your own promises!

          • Mike Boone

            Martin, all your recent talk about the Devil, and now, the Spirit supposedly giving life, just points to an amusing irony. And that is, that if the Devil were actually to be real, he, rather than a Spirit, would really want someone like you to live, Martin.

            Because the idiotic statements you make, like the victims on 9/11 supposedly deserving their deaths because of being insufficiently devoted to God, just helps to turn off people who might have sought God, and just ends up serving to make the Devil’s job a lot easier, if he were to actually exist.

            People like you, Martin, really prove that the whole God thing has to be a figment of some limited imaginations, because no Supreme Being worth the name would ever want an imbecile like you representing HIM, or his spiritual allies, because HE would know that your nonsensical statements turn away far more potential believers, than they could ever attract.

          • Mike Boone

            Maybe it should no longer surprise me that religious nuts, just as screaming TV preachers also do, love to constantly repeat the same thing, over and over. But Martin, you said on Feb 22nd that my post warranted no reply, but now, here on Feb 23rd, at 8:57 AM, Disqus sent a brand new notification to my inbox of you posting another reply to me on Celebrity Tune. Martin G, you need to start living up to your own promises!

          • Dopdop No

            If you belive that there is God, it’s FAITH. so don’t ask.

          • LadyLoneStar

            How do you “think” there isn’t God?

          • Artimus Clyde

            How do you “think” there isn’t a 50 foot man living on the star Vega? What evidence do you have that he doesn’t exist?

          • LadyLoneStar

            The evidence of His existence is everywhere.

          • Mike Boone

            Because, in my 65 years, he, she, or it, has not only remained totally silent, but has never made it clear to the world’s people, which religion, or belief about him is the correct one, or the one closest to the truth. As a result, as mankind has experienced for thousands of years, killing in god’s name just continues to go on.

            How sad that Christians, or members of any other religious faith, would believe that a god could be good who obviously does not mind if people just continue murdering in his name. A decent god would certainly be offended by that behavior, and find it to be completely intolerable.

          • LadyLoneStar

            Do you know Him?

            If you knew Him, you would have the answers you seek. YOU have to search Him out. YOU have to find Him. He already knows you, He knew you before you were. At 65 years old, I would hope you’ve, at least, looked for Him.

            Jesus Christ, God’s only Son, lived on earth as man and took your sins as His own to give you a path back to the One and Only true God. Sin separates humans from God. (There is only ONE God). This world belongs to satan, sinful and evil, for a short time. Humans are to seek God out and follow His guidance for our lives. Once you turn your life over, repent of your sins, God will forgive you and remember your sins no more. But you have to realize you are a sinner and ask for forgiveness. Then Jesus will send the Holy Spirit to live in you, guiding you through this life. Your name will be added to the Book of Life which is your passage into Heaven for eternity with God.

            Have you read any books by Lee Strobel? The best one, to prove to yourself whether there is a God or not, read “The Case For Christ”. Then meet back here with me and let’s talk.

          • Peter J Heaton

            which doesn’t exist

          • Martin28

            No, that’s because it hasn’t happened yet. But it will.

          • Artimus Clyde

            The infamous Christian “You will see” statement that they have been saying for 2000 years now. Other religions play the same game as well but they aren’t as blatantly arrogant about it, or try to use religion as a coercive weapon, as you are.

          • Martin28

            This ain’t no game, Artemis C. It’s the real deal, but you wouldn’t know that because you haven’t encountered it yet. But that’s no reflection on its veracity. You have much to learn, Artemis.

          • Artimus Clyde

            No it’s definitely a game, it’s a game played by grown adults who believe in fairy tales. Your narcissism and arrogance/ignorance feeds into a nasty hyper-religious personality. Great, you believe in magic. So do Muslims, so do Jews, so does most every other religion on the planet. Yours isn’t special above any other magical fairy tale.

          • Martin28

            Despite your having zero knowledge or experience in Psychology, Social Work, Spirituality or Science, you make some very bold claims for one so uneducated. Come back when you actually know something, and I will be happy to discuss reality with you.

          • Artimus Clyde

            First of all you have no idea what my knowledge or experience is in anything so don’t pretend like you do. Second, you don’t need to be a psychologist, social worker, spiritualist (whatever the f that is), or scientist to not believe in fairy tales. Once again you have provided no information, only ad hominems and blanket claims that are 100% unsupported. This is why people are fleeing from the church, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence and you’ve provided 0 evidence for anything.

          • Martin28

            No, I have every confidence that you lack knowledge in Psychology, Social Work, Spirituality or Science as it is plainly evident in your uninformed comments, and in spite of your protests I noticed that you failed to produce any claims that you do, so your point is invalid. People may be fleeing from “Big Religion”, but ‘spiritual’ churches and groups are growing and thriving like never before as Jesus prepares for His return. Why don’t you check one out and see for yourself?

          • Artimus Clyde

            Ok, Martin. You seem to be a 12 year old in your parents basement.

            “No, I have every confidence that you lack knowledge in Psychology, Social Work, Spirituality or Science as it is plainly evident in your uninformed comments, and in spite of your protests I noticed that you failed to produce any claims that you do, so your point is invalid.”

            This is just you shoving your fingers in your ears and shutting your eyes tight…..screaming I’m right! I’m right!

            Your lack of reading comprehension is also dismal. I said:

            “Second, you don’t need to be a psychologist, social worker, spiritualist (whatever the f that is), or scientist to not believe in fairy tales.”

            “but ‘spiritual’ churches and groups are growing and thriving like never before as Jesus prepares for His return.”

            Another unsupported claim. Why don’t you provide evidence that your God exists, that Jesus was who people say he was and that he performed magic and then lastly that he will magically return. When you can provide evidence for any of that then we can talk. Note that the bible is not evidence that the bible is true.

          • Martin28

            I have provided plenty of evidence, yet you lack the acumen to be able to discern it, and the desire to be instructed. As I said before, your point is still… invalid. Please come back ONLY after you have something substantial to offer, rather than a smattering of regurgitated old canards.

          • Artimus Clyde

            “I have provided plenty of evidence” — You’ve actually provided ZERO evidence for anything you’ve claimed. I went back and read all your comments. Not one of them contains any shred of evidence. They are all unsupported claims, things you just say that you want to be true but which have no supporting evidence. This is objectively true for anyone reading this comment thread. The only thing you’ve done is throw out ad hominems and personal claims.

          • Neroke2013

            Gary you’re going to Mordor! Yes Gary that’s EXACTLY where you go when you die.

            But you say how can you say that Mordor was a place written about in The Lord of the Rings and doesn’t exist…

            Well LOOK AT WHAT YOU JUST DID! Yeah think about that next time you start threatening someone from a book of FAIRY TALES idiot

          • llcisyouandme

            Great. A not so veiled threat, wrapped in *more* mythology.

          • Matt Wilson

            Cant. There wont be one.

          • Jim Quinn

            Sounds like judgement day is today brother.

          • Karl Ström

            Good luck getting in to Valhalla dip shit !

          • Joe

            Judgment day, really? How old are you?

          • Tinwoods

            You arrogantly ignorant religious people are where the term “sheep” comes from.

          • Rick B

            In the absence of a judge, when is judgement day?

          • Nisism Levy

            So are you saying that only people who believed in the correct religion will be rewarded on judgement day? Will devout followers of all the other religions be tortured in hell?

          • Dan Wallis

            say that when you’re worm feed in the dirt like the rest of us, and the time you wasted being a grown man with an imaginary friend because of your inability to accept the inevitability of death

          • Part Dilly

            As a human being, I can say the five senses I was born with have NOT sensed god. What are facts? Something proven by many people with those five senses and the acquaintance of scientific experiment. You can’t say he’s a fact or his heaven is a fact when he’s not.

          • Jack Oliver

            Fuck your judgement day. Even if it’s real — it’s not — I’ll be damned if I bow down to your mean and capricious “god”. I’d give him a piece of my mind about what kind of “father” he is, allowing people to suffer when he could stop their pain. And you worship this supposed deity? That’s called Stockholm Syndrome, brother. Look it up.

            “God” basically abuses you and then threatens you with eternal damnation unless you worship him without doubt. lol You can keep your religion. I’m fine without that kind of bullshit in my life.

          • https://disqus.com/home/channel/atheismftw/ Ian Cooper

            There is no judgement day because there is no god. Even if there were a god, why would I worship an all-powerful deity who allows disease and natural disasters to destroy life? Such a god is unworthy of worship.
            Besides, it is silly to believe in a god when no evidence for such a god exists.

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            ONLY PROGRAMMED RELIGIOUS ROBOTS EVEN BELIEVE THERE IS A “JUDGEMENT DAY” MUCH LESS FEAR IT.

          • Mike Boone

            The only real “Judgment Day” is actually any day in which someone makes a rational and logically sound judgment regarding an issue or a person. And based on your brief (and no doubt reflexive) use of that constantly repeated phrase, Gary, my judgment about you is that you are a pitiful member of humanity who has been victimized by the widespread brainwashing known as the Christian religion. Thoughtful non-believers like Morgan Freeman, Jodie Foster, Emma Thompson, Bill Gates, Julianne Moore, as well as, yours truly, all feel sorry for people like you, who instead of being able to think for themselves, must instead, just continually go on repeating the words of ancient ignoramuses who wrote such nonsense in the bible as the ridiculous claim that “the earth sits immovable on its foundation”. Today, of course, any 5th grader who hasn’t slept through his science lessons knows that not only does our planet have no foundation on which it rests, but actually moves in 2 ways by rotating on its axis, as well as revolving around the sun. But in a less knowledgeable time than the one in which we now live, thanks to the so called Holy Bible, Galileo, a great scientist, was forced to spend the last years of his life under house arrest because he refused to accept the bible’s ignorant and erroneous claim that the sun, as well as the other so called “heavenly bodies”, all revolve around the earth, with the earth supposedly being the center of everything. Sure seems that if God had actually written the bible, the old boy was somehow confused about how he had set up his own universe. Maybe it would do the God of the bible some good if he sat in on some science lessons with those 5th graders so that he could then revise his book, so it would be written in a more accurate and truthful way. Unfortunately, though, if that old heavenly fart actually existed, he would need to do a lot more correcting of biblical accounts and claims to make his book really reasonable, than merely correcting his previous writing’s ridiculous statements about areas like astronomy, as well as the actual order in which the stars, the earth, plants, animals, and man, really came into being.

          • Mike Boone

            Gary, my Christian brother, here is why the idea of a Judgement Day is ridiculous. According to Christian beliefs, every last one of the world’s 7 billion people is a sinner. Even the kindest, most unselfish people, who devote their lives to helping others, cannot get through their lives without committing some sort of sin, even if that sin is just the sin of pride, because they know that they have helped so many people.

            So the Christian God, if he were to be real, has not given a single one of us humans the ability to be perfect, and lead a sin free life, like his son Jesus, supposedly led. That means, the Christian God, as our maker, would actually be turning out defective products, in the form of humans, while knowing, before even creating these people, that each person’s innate lack of perfection MUST RESULT in him committing some sins.

            How nice that the Christian God would deliberately create people who possess the built in defect of not being able to totally avoid sin, so that HE could later judge these same people for failing to be perfect by not avoiding the very sins that The Great One supposedly hates. Actually if a God existed who really hated sin, then he really wouldn’t be too bright if he just continually went on manufacturing more sinners. That would be like me, a guy who hates to see ants on our back patio table, continually leaving the sugar bowl on that table when I knew that would just draw more ants. Such behavior would define me as stupid, or at least, careless.

            Anyway, a Creator blaming mankind for the sin in the world is like the designer of an automobile knowing that he was creating a car with a defect that would cause an axle to shatter at 20,000 miles. Then, when some car owners are seriously hurt, or killed, by axles breaking, the designer tries to wash his hands of all responsibility for those tragedies by acting as if he had nothing to do with the axle failures.

            It’s just so sad that my kind Christian friends have no idea of how unthinking it is to believe in a God who creates all of us humans with an inherent lack of perfection, and then judges us for the bad results that he knows such a lack of perfection has to bring about. And I’m not saying that this gives us an excuse to lie, cheat, steal, or kill, or to commit any other offenses against our fellow man. In fact, my late brother was a firm non-believer in the God nonsense, yet he was more honest and upright than at least 99% of the Christians that I’ve known. He was simply incapable of taking advantage of other people, and he always tried to look out for folks who were being pushed around by others who were in more powerful positions than they were.

            And Christians, please think about this: The Judgement that you folks believe that your God submits human beings to would basically be HIM blaming humans for not being gods themselves, because only a god could ever be a perfect living being, never committing any type of sin. Especially, considering the great number of things that Christians define as being sins.

            So l confess to having that “horrible” defect of not being a god myself, and that I never will be. Yeah, I guess I’m just a poor sinner. And if an actual god now finds that fact about me to be offensive, then HE HAS NO ONE TO BLAME BUT HIMSELF!

          • Mike Boone

            Gary, my Christian brother, here is why the idea of a Judgement Day is ridiculous. According to Christian beliefs, every last one of the world’s 7 billion people is a sinner. Even the kindest, most unselfish people, who devote their lives to helping others, cannot get through their lives without committing some sort of sin, even if that sin is just the sin of pride, because they know that they have helped so many people.

            So the Christian God, if he were to be real, has not given a single one of us humans the ability to be perfect, and lead a sin free life, like his son Jesus, supposedly led. That means, the Christian God, as our maker, would actually be turning out defective products, in the form of humans, while knowing, before even creating these people, that each person’s innate lack of perfection MUST RESULT in him committing some sins.

            How nice that the Christian God would deliberately create people who possess the built in defect of not being able to totally avoid sin, so that HE could later judge these same people for failing to be perfect by not avoiding the very sins that The Great One supposedly hates. Actually if a god existed who really hated sin, then he really wouldn’t be too bright if he just continually went on manufacturing more sinners. That would be like me, a guy who hates to see ants on our back patio table, continually leaving the sugar bowl on that table when I knew that would just draw more ants. Such behavior would define me as stupid, or at least, careless.

            Anyway, a Creator blaming mankind for the sin in the world is like the designer of an automobile knowing that he was creating a car with a defect that would cause an axle to shatter at 20,000 miles. Then, when some car owners are seriously hurt, or killed, by axles breaking, the designer tries to wash his hands of all responsibility for those tragedies by acting as if he had nothing to do with the axle failures.

            It’s just so sad that my kind Christian friends have no idea of how unthinking it is to believe in a god who creates all of us humans with an inherent lack of perfection, and then judges us for the bad results that he knows such a lack of perfection has to bring about. And I’m not saying that this gives us an excuse to lie, cheat, steal, or kill, or to commit any other offenses against our fellow man. In fact, my late brother was a firm non-believer in the god nonsense, yet he was more honest and upright than at least 99% of the Christians that I’ve known. He was simply incapable of taking advantage of other people, and he always tried to look out for folks who were being pushed around by others who were in more powerful positions than they were.

            And Christians, please think about this: The Judgement that you folks believe that your God submits human beings to, would basically be HIM blaming humans for not being gods themselves, because only a god could ever be a perfect living being that never does anything wrong. Especially, considering the great number of things that Christians go so far to define as being sins, in the first place.

            So l confess to having that “horrible” defect of not being a god myself, and that I never will be one. Yeah, I guess I’m just a poor sinner. And if an actual god now finds that fact about me to be offensive, then HE HAS NO ONE TO BLAME BUT HIMSELF!

        • Teto85

          R’amen!!!!

          • Peter J Heaton

            sashimi!!!!

        • David Nathan Viger Jr

          If your faith is real, then you are not offended. God gave mankind free agency, the freedom to chose to believe or not to believe. Anything forced has no value. There are reasons people don’t believe in God’s existence, or that Christ is his only begotten son, and as God said, we should not judge another. In time a lot of atheists change their opinions and beliefs, just as WWII vets avow that there were no atheists in the foxholes.

        • Mary-julia Dibosa

          I really hate it when atheists try to degrade religion … like seriously you don’t believe in it fine! No need to be disrespectful by calling it a myth …☺

        • Jack Oliver

          exactly. the bitches above obviously missed that. This article pretty much makes fun of the whole religious argument.

        • Edward J Baker

          So how do you account for the tens of thousands of books and trillions of words, calmly rendered, that rebukes the foolishness of anti-religious ignorance and bigotry?

          • Nick

            Who is being a bigot? Religious people have every right to believe whatever nonsense they wish. I also have the right to promote logic. A lot of words have been written about fairies, are they real?

          • Edward J Baker

            You are. Your characterizations are bigoted. A lot of arguments have been advanced justifying the utilitarian ethics that treats life as a commodity of convenience, which is inherent in atheism. Do they really promte the common good? Does pointing this out constitute “imposing” religion?

          • Nick

            A bigot is someone who is intolerant of other beliefs. When have I once said that religious people should not be able to believe what they wish? Just keep your religion out of government and public schools. You seem to have no problem with religious people sharing their beliefs but when I just try to endorse logic, you call me a bigot. Who is the real bigot here?

          • Mike Boone

            Amen, Nick, to your standing up for logic and reason, against the forces of fear and superstition. Religious folks often describe themselves as being God fearing people. But therein lies the problem. Because the old saying about being so scared that you can’t think straight, is really true.
            People simply can’t do their best thinking when they are fearful.

      • Sparks13

        As well as the use of the term ‘godless’. The implication that if they don’t believe in this narrow view of the writer’s ‘god’, they don’t believe in anything is bigoted, insecure, and stupid.

        • llcisyouandme

          It’s built right into their belief system though. The one thing that carries over between religions the most uniformly, almost without exception, is that they all believe that all the others are wrong. Christianity has 33,000 plus denominations all by itself, every one unique on some fantastic quibbling pont. In this sense every Christian is *by default* a “Cafeteria Christian,” picking and choosing which particular chunks of a believe system rife with contradictions that they will swallow whole.

      • Matt

        LAURIE — You Rock-in Souler. You!

        When someone has a low Emotional Quotient, which most
        (young esp.) guys do — whether a believer or not — slinging social mud at each other simply demonstrates your low EQs, especially when facing life’s toughest questions, like the death of our fleshiness and existence of God, or not.

        All of us have met kind-hearted atheists who, in the eyes of others who believe so can see, are spiritized. But for some reason, they simply cannot know it. When these depart the unobserved life to awaken into heart directed consciousness, by keeping appearances at arm’s length, Deity becomes personal(ized) when the Spirit of Truth breathes us.

        Having witnessed live testimony of over 30 Near Death Experiencers (Chicago chapter of IANDS, the Int’l Assn of Near Death Studies), dare yourself, then just go to the nearest chapter.

        If you feel deserving of a supportive universe awaits you.

        Peace in: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYZoX4N5_YQ.

    • LLCisyouandme

      I tend to think of the religions, withh 33,000 denominations just within Catholicism, as a bunch of village witchdoctors all standing on a series of low hills all in the same general vicinity, shouting at one another and waving batons, flagbearer not optional. The closest (best) thing they can imagine about themselves, is a non-scientific scientist looking down at them all in their Petri dishes.

      • Mike G

        hey LL!! who do you pray to..Obama??

        • conhater1

          Praying is just talking to yourself.

          • Martin28

            No, that’s called “talking to yourself”. Praying is “a form of communication with the spiritual world” (Edgar Cayce). Read much?

          • conhater1

            Yes, but I prefer fiction that is labelled as such.

          • Martin28

            Fiction IS labeled as such. The Bible, however is the truth, that’s why it’s labeled as such. If it weren’t, I would not have heard from Jesus and numerous Angels who directed me to participate in miraculous activities. And I’m not religious, btw. I’m “spiritual”. If you have the opinion that belief in God is fictional, I would expect you to have some sort of anecdotal evidence to support your theory. I strongly suspect you don’t.

          • conhater1

            You see that is the problem. I should not have to provide proof disputing the existence of god or the veracity of the bible any more than you should have to provide proof that I don’t have a leprechaun. I don’t have a theory. A theory requires evidence and there is no evidence against or for the existence of any deity. The Bible, on the other hand, contains so many contradictions and inaccuracies that I can be sure it is not entirely true. By the way, anecdotal evidence is an oxymoron. If something is anecdotal it cannot be considered evidence.
            “Sell crazy someplace else, we’re all stocked up here.” Melvin Udall (a fictional character, just like Jesus)

          • Martin28

            You are correct. You don’t have a theory. You don’t have proof of your unscientific claims. All you have is an opinion. An unscientific, illogical, uneducated, subjective opinion. You know how much that’s worth in the current market? Nothing. Zero. Melvin Udall was right: you’re all stocked up on crazy.

          • conhater1

            You are a complete fucking idiot.

          • Martin28

            You are a complete fucking idiot.

          • conhater1

            God will get you for that!

          • Martin28

            God will get you for that!

          • nobodyinparticular

            HA HA HA! You think ANECDOTAL EVIDENCE is the highest form of evidence??!!! WOW! What ARE you, a living PARODY of a real religious person just to demonstrate how stupid they are? And yes, you are religious. Super religious. Saying otherwise doesn’t change reality. You think the bible is the truth. But then you wouldn’t know anything about that, about saying things things that contradict reality not making them so, would you. You want proof that the bible is NOT true? Just search the internet for “bliblical contradictions”. It not only isn’t consistent with REALITY, it isn’t even consistent with ITSELF!

          • Martin28

            Do you realize that you are just a ranting lunatic? You don’t even have any facts. You’re just arguing with the crazy people in your head.

          • Martin28

            Rather than “search the internet for Biblical contradictions”, I searched the Universe for the truth, and I found it. When you are ready to step out of your parents’ basement and leave your fantasy world of the internet, come and join us out here in the world of reality. It’s great!

          • Dave Davenport

            ” If you have the opinion that belief in God is fictional, ………”

            I think you need to do some basic research on the concept of ‘belief’ before you make any further ignorant posts on this thread. That is not a slight on your intelligence BTW!

          • Martin28

            Dear, poor ignoramus: please endeavor to acquire a modicum of reading comprehension and critical thinking skills before trying to form thoughts. I understand the task would be strenuous for you, but in the interest of preserving what little remains of your dignity, you wouldn’t be so harshly berated in public if you applied a bit more effort.

          • Dave Davenport

            Martin have you done your homework yet?

            No? I didn’t think so.
            Go and ask Mom for some milk and cookies, then hunt down that dictionary – probably in your school bag so dig deep. Then use it to look up ‘belief’, ‘scientific evidence’ and ‘fiction’ before bedtime. Get Mom to check your spelling, punctuation and grammar while you are at it.

            Let us know how you get on – the rest of the contributors to this thread will be thrilled if they can see any improvements in any contributions attempted by you in the future.

            We all need to know that you know that WORDS and their MEANINGS really matter when talking to grown-ups!

            Good luck Marti and sleep well!

          • Martin28

            Poor Dave. Will you ever be ready to venture beyond the safety and comfort of your mother’s apron strings? When you muster up the courage to be a man, come and join us out here in the big world of reality. It’s brisk!

        • mickey

          mike, if you don’t have anything to add to this story————-shut the F up

        • Jenji Morgan

          Stupid brainless Fuck.

        • Caroline Reznicek

          At least Obama is REAL!

          • Southern Gal

            Obama is a tee total idiot!!! A Muslim who does not belong in this country.

          • Caroline Reznicek

            Do you know how totally STUPID your remarks sound to intellectually competent folks? If you feel you MUST say something disparaging about our President, please do it with something that is TRUE. Breaking your FOX News habit might help you come back to reality.

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            TOTALLY STUPID PEOPLE ARE THOSE WHO HAVE NOT PAID ENOUGH ATTENTION AND/OR WILL NOT ADMIT ODUMA IS A PROLIFIC LIAR WHOSE OWN WORDS IN HIS OWN BOOKS, ALSO PROVE IS A RACIST.

          • Jack Oliver

            He’s a bad Muslim if he is one. Besides, the Constitution doesn’t say you have to be a Christian to be POTUS. In fact, it specifically says that one’s religion ISN’T a condition on one’s eligibility to be POTUS.

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            A BAD MUSLIM? REALLY? YOU MUST NOT PAY MUCH ATTENTION DO HIS WORDS AND ACTIONS.

          • Bushgirlsgonewild

            It’s times like this when I wish the South had one. Every presidential election, the Democrats win the sates with the most universities, and the Retardicans win the states with the most UFO sightings.

          • LadyLoneStar

            That’s intelligent…..NOT.

          • Bushgirlsgonewild

            Oh, OK. Bitch.

          • LadyLoneStar

            Take your meds already, cow.

          • Eldergothfather

            Racist much? Thanks for exposing yourself.

          • LadyLoneStar

            Racist? Really? Muslim isn’t a race, moron. If you’re “trying” to refer to BHO….he’s half white/half black….which half are you racist against, both?

          • Eldergothfather

            Sorry trollop, I don’t argue with fools, you have far too much time and experience and I cannot bring myself down to your level of incompetence. Have a nice day and watch out for falling houses.

          • LadyLoneStar

            You’re sad. That’s the best remark you’ve got? SMH Poor thing.

          • Casca2525

            what a load of horse shit

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            YEA A REAL PROLIFIC LYING RACIST WHO HAS TOTALLY SCREWED THE USA UP.

          • Bushgirlsgonewild

            You’re a fucking idiot.

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            HEY COWARD, , IF YOU THINK I CARE WHAT SOME MORAL DEGENERATE AND MENTAL MIDGET LIKE YOU THINKS OF HIS MORAL AND INTELLECTUAL SUPERIORS, YOU ARE VERY WRONG. GO PLAY IN YOUR YARD WITH ALL YOUR LITTLE RETARDED COWARD FRIENDS!

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT
          • Bushgirlsgonewild

            punk

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            THE REPLY EXPECTED FROM LOW IQ PERSON.

          • Bushgirlsgonewild

            fuck off

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            YOUR REPLY AGAIN, PROVES MY POINT.

          • Bushgirlsgonewild

            Noo, it doesn’t.

          • Bushgirlsgonewild

            And that’s all you understand.

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            For the past 70 years, every American President except Obama have taken the time to honor the memory and sacrifices of the 6,000 American soldiers killed on D-Day.

            .ALL..Except Obama, SIX TIMES IN A ROW

          • https://disqus.com/home/channel/atheismftw/ Ian Cooper

            You are a liar. Only four American presidents have visited the D-Day Monument on D-Day: Ronald Reagan, Bill Clinton, George W. Bush, and Barack Obama, who was at the 65th anniversary ceremony in 2009, where he dedicated a new visitor center at the U.S. Military Cemetery in Normandy.

            I think you need to stop believing every piece of junk email that pops into your inbox. It took me literally two seconds to Google “Obama D-day” and prove you to be a liar. If you’d bothered to do a quick Google search, you could have saved yourself from looking like a fool or worse.

            And I think it’s ironic that a liar has the gall to call other people moral degenerates.

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            FIRST: YOU ASSHOLE, YOU CALLING ME A LIAR PROVES YOU ARE SO STUPID, YOU DO NOT EVEN KNOW WHAT A LIE IS. SO I WILL EDUCATE YOU. “NOTHING ANY ONE SAYS IS A LIE, IF THEY DO NOT KNOW WHAT THEY ARE SAYING IS NOT TRUE.” YOU GET THAT, CHILD?

            SECOND: NO, I DID NOT CHECK — ONLY ODUMA IS SUCH A PROLIFIC LIAR AND SUCH A LOSER, IT WAS NOT DIFFICULT TO BELIEVE IT WAS TRUE, SO COOPER, YOU A KOOL AID DRINKING SHEEP WHO SUPPORTS ODUMA?

          • Bushgirlsgonewild

            That’s a damn lie.

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            PROVE IT IS A LIE!

          • Bushgirlsgonewild

            Fuck you

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            YOU ARE CORRECT IN THAT WHAT I SAID IS INCORRECT. ONLY IN ORDER FOR IT TO BE A LIE, I WOULD HAVE TO HAVE KNOWN IT WAS NOT TRUE WHEN I SAID IT. AS I DID NOT, YOU ARE INCORRECT AS IT WAS NOT A LIE.

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            AND ANYONE WITH ANY CLASS, WOULD HAVE SAID, “YOU ARE IN ERROR”

          • Bushgirlsgonewild

            That’s a lie.

          • LadyLoneStar

            Again….you got nothing.

          • Bushgirlsgonewild

            No, I said something important…

          • Martin28

            He is?

          • Caroline Reznicek

            Yes, Martin28, Obama is a real flesh and blood living human being as opposed to the mythic “Thor”, Zeus”, “Allah”,”El-Shaddai”, “Elah” “Jehovah”, “Adonai”, “Elohim”,”Yehweh”, “El,” “God”. (Sorry if I left someones god out as there are thousands to choose from) But my point here is that at least Obama is a REAL person to look to for leadership. Praying to?…NO. But then again I dont pray to any of the aforementioned mythical beings either.

          • Martin28

            Sorry, I’m not sure what the original comment was. I assure you however, that the God whom I pray to is ANYTHING BUT fictional. He and I have had numerous communications resulting in miracles 100% of the time. This has been going on for decades, and proven over the test of time. I don’t believe in fairy tales, but I do believe in phenomena which bear themselves out with unerring accuracy.

          • Dave Davenport

            “I don’t believe in fairy tales, but I do believe in phenomena which bear themselves out with unerring accuracy…..”

            Martin, you probably want to have another go at this discombobulation of a sentence.

            (Hint: use a dictionary as a first step! and common sense as a second step!!)

            Actually come to think of it delete the whole lot as its a load of old codswallop.

          • Martin28

            Although your comment is unworthy of even a passing nod, I will reply just to point out the abysmal stupidity of your utterances. I have met and spoken with Jesus and Angels, resulting in miracles 100% of the time. And yet you, in your unfathomable ignorance, feel smug enough to have an uneducated, inexperienced, illogical, unscientific OPINION unsupported by any FACTS, REASON or other basis, such as is typical among the ranks of the unwashed. And yet you possess the mindless arrogance to express such putrid swill in a public forum. Have you never received an education? If you had, you would have been familiar with the custom of providing a reasonable semblance of argument to accompany your swaggering ramblings. Although most are generally entitled to proffer their “two cents worth”, your meager offering is unfortunately… not even worth two cents.

          • LadyLoneStar

            Obama wouldn’t know “leadership” if it smacked him in the face. He’s a puppet.

            I hope and pray you realize the folly of your ways before your final breath.

        • NEIL C. REINHARDT

          SO MIKE, DO YOU EAT RETARD PILLS BY THE HANDFUL? OR WERE YOU BORN BEING SO CLUELESS?
          AND FYI CHILD, MANY ATHEISTS GREATLY DISLIKE THE PROLIFIC LYING RACIST I CALL ODUMA.

          • Lee Warran

            “oduma” That’s a good one, My self I refer to him as the

            “Dipshidiot”.

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            GOOD ONE LEE.
            IF YOU ARE A FACEBOOKER, I HOPE YOU CHECK OUT MY PAGE, AND IF YOU LKE IT. “FRIEND ME”
            THANKS
            NEIL

        • NEIL C. REINHARDT

          I DOUBT HE PRAYS TO TO THE CHRISTIAN GOD, OR ANY OTHER GODS, AS THEY ONLY EXIST IN THE MINDS OF YOU POOR PROGRAMMED RELIGIOUS ROBOTS..

      • NEIL C. REINHARDT

        LOCE YOUR COMMENT!

    • Jack Oliver

      I thought the tone suggested these folks were courageous for risking their careers as coming out as Atheist. It’s not like Christians are tolerant of others’ beliefs — or lack thereof.

      • AJ

        They hypocrisy in your statement is amusing.

        • Jack Oliver

          Criticizing the actions is far different than not being tolerant of others’ beliefs.

          Christians are constantly trying to legislate their person beliefs. Just the other day some nut job Christian politician tried to make church attendance mandatory and compulsory. Aside from being unconstitutional, that’s just downright intolerant over others’ religion or lack of religion.

          • AJ

            I actually hadn’t heard that one, that’s entirely unconstitutional and idiotic. On the flip-side of the coin, though, you have people who don’t believe in God trying to forbid people from saying “Merry Christmas.” When my sister was in school they weren’t even allowed to cut out Angels during the holidays because someone “might get offended.” I’m all about everyone having rights, but it goes both ways. Yes, there are some pretty nasty people who do things in the name of Christianity. But there are at least as many people on the flip side who are the same way. I think pigeonholing groups is ridiculous. We should all stop being so offended by the way other people choose to live their lives.

          • Jack Oliver

            If it’s publicly funded (with govt. money), then nothing religious needs to be promoted. That’s for legal purposes.

          • Martin28

            Jack, were you aware that God provides the government with money to fund its programs? Have you never wondered where everything comes from? If you do your homework, you will discover that everything, from money, to food, to air, to the elements, to subatomic particles, to energy, to intelligence… all comes originally from God. You can’t just do a bit of research and stop when you’re satisfied. You have to take it right to rock bottom. And if you do that, you will discover that God created everything. So why should we not promote the knowledge of God, with God’s money, God’s education, God’s building materials, God’s grace, God’s mercy?

          • LadyLoneStar

            Yet the “publicly funded” schools have to teach the quran? Really? HYPOCRITE!

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            SEEMS AJ, YOU ARE PREGRAMMED RELIGIOUS ROBOT CHRISTIAN WHO CAN NOT GRASP THE CONCEPT OF THE SEPERATION OF CHURCH AND STATE.

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            SO AJ, IN THE USA, CHRISTIANS HAVE KILLED ATHEISTS ONLY BECAUSE THEY WERE ATHEISTS, GIVE ME ONE EXAMPLE IN THE USA, WHERE AN ATHEIST HAS KILLED A CHRISTIAN SIMPLY BECAUSE THEY WERE A CHRISTIAN. ———————- AMERICAN ATHEST LEADERS HAVE HAD CHRISTIANS ATTEMPT TO KILL THEM MORE THAN A FEW TIMES. ————–. I DEFY YOU TO NAME ONE TIME AN AMERUCAN ATHEIST ATTEMOED TO KILL AN AMERICAN RELIGIOUS LEADER. ————————————————————————————-THE FACTS ARE AJ, YOU HAVE NO CLUE AS TO THE FACTS ABOUT HOW BADLY ATHEISTS IN THE USA ARE TREATED BY CHRISTIANS! OR HOW THIS IS THE MAJOR REASON MOST AMERICANS WHO ARE ATHEISTS DO NOT MAKE IT PUBLIC THEY ARE ATHEISTS!

          • AJ

            1. Stop using all caps, it makes you look like a hateful git. 2. You DEFY me to come up with an example? You might want to get a dictionary.

            3. Yes, Christians have a foothold in the government. The United States government was founded by religious men. I am sure some Atheists are treated badly and it’s a shame. Everyone is entitled to live the way they choose. The hypocrisy here is that you are calling out Christians for their hateful behavior when you are being much more hateful than most Christians I know. Your intolerance for religious freedom is as ridiculous as the mistreatment of those who choose not to believe in God. I am not uneducated nor unaware, I simple choose to avoid hate.

            By all means, fight against injustice and hate, but spewing hateful rhetoric only proves that you are the true Bigot. You have no tolerance for those who don’t share your beliefs. Who is the robot here? A real human understands that there are different points of views and allows others to have a say without resorting to nasty, hateful, brainwashed rhetoric about the evilness of religion.

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            FIRST, I USE “ALL CAPS” AS I AM EIGHTY (80) SO I CAN SEE WHAT I AM WRITING MUCH MORE EASILY. PLUS, WRITING REQUIRES BOTH MORE TIME AND CARE THAN READING WHAT OTHERS HAVE WRITTEN

            SECOND, NOT ONLY IS NO ONE IS FORCING ANYONE TO READ ONE WORD OF WHAT I POST, I AM EVEN ASKING ANY TO READ MY POSTS

            THIRD,AS I HAVE FOUND ALL CAPS TEND TO PISS OFF THE LESS INTELLIGENT, THE ILLOGICAL, THE IRRATIONAL AND THE POLITICALLY CORRECT, I LIKE THEM!

            FORTH, YOU RETARD, YOU ARE THE ONE WHO NEEDS TO LEARN HOWV TO USE A DICTIONARY!

            FIFTH, WHEN THE USA WAS FOUNDED, ONLY ABOUT 18-% ATTENDED A CHRISTIAN CHURCH MOST LIVING THEN WERE, LUST LIKE MOST OF OUR FOUNDING FATHERS, NOT CHRISTIANS, THE WERE DEISTS!

            SIXTH “REAL HUMANS” DO NOT TREAT ATHEISTS AS BADLY AS CHRISTIANS HAVETREATED US FOR OVER TWO THOUSND YEARS,

          • rob brown

            Dude, as an atheist, please…..stay off these discussions if you are going to act childish and type in all caps, it reflects poorly on the rest of us. Do you know how to set your browser to make text bigger so you can read it? How did you read the article?

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            YO RETARD, MIND YIUR OWN FRACKING BUSINESS!
            ANY TRULY RATIONAL, LOGICAL, INTELLIGENT PERSON WOULD REALZE I MAY HAVE A VALID REASON TO USE ALL CAPS. AND ANY KIND, CARING, COMPASSIONATE PERSON WOULD AT LEAST HAVE THE COMMON DENCENCY TO ASK WHY I USE ALL CAPS. SO YOU ARE NEITHER VERY INTELLIGENT OR CARRING.
            NEXT LOSER, THE ODDS ARE VERY HIGH I HAVE DONE MORE FOR THE USA, FOR BLACK’S, WOMEN’S AND FOR ATHEIST’S CIVIL RIGHTS THAN YOU EITHER HAVE, OR EVER WILL! THE ODDS AVE VERY HIGH I HAVE HELPED MORE PEOPLE BY STOPPING PHYSICAL ASSAULTS ON THEM AND RISKED MY LIFE DOING SO, I HAVE SAVED MORE LIVES
            LAST ANYONE WITH A FULLY FUNCTIONING BRAIN & A MODICUM OF KNOWLEDGE KNOWS WRITTING TAKES MORE CARE THAN READING DOES. AND WHILE ONE CAN NOT CORRECT ANY ERRORS IN WHAT OTHERS WROTE, THEY CAN AT LEAST ATTEMPT TO REDUCE THOSE ERRORS THEY MAY MAKE.
            SP CHILD, PISS OFF!

          • lindsncal

            Again…you lose all your credibility by shouting and bragging and name calling.

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            LIKE I CARE WHAT ONEOF MY INTELLECTUAL AND MORAL INFERIORS THINKS? WELL RETARD, I DO NOT!. YOU SEE BRAINLESS, TRULY INTELLIGENT PEOPLE, CARE ABOUT THE MESSAGE AND NOT IF IS DELIVERED IN ALL CAPS OR NOT. SO GO PLAY WITH THE REST OF YOUR LITTLE REDARED FRIENDS.

          • lindsncal

            Sad and embarrassing….the likes of you.

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            SO SAYS SOME COWARD WHO HIDES BEHIND A SCREEN LIKE THE LOW LIFE THEY ARE.
            AND COWARD, THERE ARE MANY WHO DISAGREE WITH YOU

          • http://www.myrtlebeachwebdesign.com/ Jan Chilton

            Not to mention all the misspellings…

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            TRULY RATIONAL, LOGICAL AND INTELLIGENT PEOPLE LIKE FAMED AUTHOR LEON URIS, KNOW THE FUNCTION OF LANGUAGE., THE PRIMARY PURPOSE, IS SIMPLY TO COMMUNICATE A DESIRED MESSAGE FROM ONE, TO ONE, OR MORE OTHERS.

            IF THIS HAS BEEN SUCCESSFULLY ACCOMPLISHED, THEN SUCH THINGS AS INCORRECT PUNCTUATION, GRAMMAR, SPELLING, ETC. ARE THINGS WHICH ONLY THE ILLOGICAL AND IRRATIONAL ANAL RETENTIVE NIT PICKERS OF THE WORLD WORRY ABOUT.

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            IDIOTS LIKE YOU ATTACK THE MESSINGER WHEN YOU LACK THE FACTS, KNOWLEDGE, LACK OF INTELLIGENCE, THE USE OF BOTH LOGIC AND CRITICAL THINKING SKILLS TO PROVE I AM EITHER LOGICALLY AND/OR FACTUALLY.

            AND FYI, THE REPLY BELOW IS ALSO FOR YOU, AS YOU ARE ONE VERY CLUELESS CHILD.

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            ONLY AMONG THE MENTAL MIDGETS SUCH AS YOURSELF.

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            FIRIS, I DOUBT MOST WHO ARE NOT PROGRAMMED RELIGIOUS ROBOTS WOULD AGREE WITH YOU.

            SECOND, THE RATIONAL LOGICAL AND THE TRULY INTELLIGENT, KNOW IF THEY CAN NOT PROVE WHAT I SAY IS EITHER LOGICALLY AND/OR FACTUAY WRONG, IT HAS TO BE CREDIBLE.

            ONLY YOU HAVE PROVEN YOU ARE NOT RATIONAL, OR LOGICAL OR VERY INTELLIGENT.

          • Teto85

            There are keyboards available with large letters on the caps and it is possible to adjust the font size on your computer large enough to obviate the need for typing in all caps. No criticism, just info. Peace.

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            THANK YOU. ONLY MY LIVING ON SOCIAL SECURITY, FEEDING THE 3 CATS I RESCUED AS WELL AS 2 OR 3 OTHERS, WHO SHOW UP, AND CONSTANTLY HELPING OTHERS, I CAN NOT EVEN AFFORD THE GLASSES I NEED.

          • Teto85

            Medicare should cover the glasses and such keyboards are available for less than $20.00 and probably covered as an adaptive aid. But it seems like you would rather complain (or is it boast) about your condition instead of getting up and doing something about it. Keep on trolling.

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            I WOULD RATHER NOT HAVE STUPID ASSHOLES LIKE YOU BITCH AND MOAN AT ME

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            YOU WILL NOTE THERE ARE OTHERS HERE WHO ARE NOT IDIOTS LIKE YOU AND THOSE OF YOUR ILK. WHO DO NOT GIVE ME ANY CRAP. OF COURSE, UNLIKE YOU, THEY ARE NICE, DECENT AND CARING PEOPLE.

          • Teto85

            I was offering a bit of help. Bitching and moaning would be complaining that the contractor doing the remodel on the kitchen of the Vail house has to be away for the week due to his step-mother’s funeral. Or the Gulfstream is down for maintenance and we have to wait a few days because we would rather not fly commercial. And the guys detailing the Tesla and the i8 are going too slow for my liking. And don’t get me started on the gardeners who arrive late in the middle of the detailing and are using a blower not 100 feet away from the cars causing too much dust to be blown at them. And the weather. It’s 73º here in San Francisco and it’s gonna be even hotter tomorrow. So don’t tell me that offering information is bitching and moaning. You smell like a 99%er.

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            AS YOU SAID: “But it seems like you would rather complain (or is it boast) about your condition instead of getting up and doing something about it. Or would you rather fling poo like the chimps in the zoo” SO YOUN WERE NOT OFFERING HELP. OR ARE YOU SO CLUELESS AS TO NOT KNOW IT?

          • Pinky Escada

            I don’t mind if you use all caps.

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            THANK YOU PINKY! I REALLY DO APPRECIATE YOUR KIND COMMENT.

          • LadyLoneStar

            He didn’t read the article…he is just on a rant! Isn’t it a hoot?

          • oscar1939

            Do not blow an aneurysm

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            DO NOT BE AN IDIOT!

          • oscar1939

            Are you off your meds?

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            WHY WOULD I TAKE YOUR MEDS?
            YOU NEED THEM, I DO NOT!

          • lindsncal

            You make sense but your tactics lose the ones you want to reach.

            “AS I HAVE FOUND ALL CAPS TEND TO PISS OFF THE LESS INTELLIGENT, THE ILLOGICAL, THE IRRATIONAL”

            One of the most illogical remarks I’ve seen takes your credibility as ‘those who shout the loudest usually have the least to say’.

          • cyndi

            Wow! I would have never guessed you were 80. I thought for sure we had been talking to a juvenile hot head. I’m sincerely shocked.

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            FIRST, THE ODDS ARE VERY HIGH THAT MANY MORE OF THOSE WHO KNOW ME IN PERSON AND WELL, WILL ATTEST THAT I AM ONE OF, IF NOT THE SINGLE MOST
            TRUTHFUL PERSON THY KNOW, THAN WOULD SO ATTEST FOR YOU. (-WHILE A FEW PEOPLE MAY BE AS TRUTHFUL AS I AM, NO ONE IS MORE TRUTHFUL-!

            SECOND, IT IS TOO BAD FOR YOU THAT THE ODDS ARE HIGH THAT MANY MORE EXPERIENCED, INFORMED , MORE RATIONAL, LOGICAL AND INTELLIGENT THAN YOU ARE,
            WOULD DISAGREE WITH YOU.ABOUT ME.
            (I DOUBT YOUU ARE AS SMART AS YOU THINK YOU ARE. WERE YOU ACTUALLY SMART, YOU WOUGH NOT HAVE SAID WHAT YOU DID AS YOU PROVED YOU HAVE LITTLE,IFBANY CLUE ABOUT THE REAL WORLD!

            THIRD, TOO BAD FOR YOU, THAT I HAVE, FROM ALL AROUND THE WORLD, RECEIVIED TOTALLY UNSOLICTIED PRAISE FOR MY ABILITY TO COMMUNICATE MY VIEWS CLEARLY, MY EXTENSIVE KNOWLEDGE, ABILITY TO USE LOGIC, INTELLIGENCE AND MY TRUTHULNESS,
            SO GO PLAY IN YOUR YARD WITH ALL YOUR LITTLE MENTALLY CHALLENGED CLASSMATES. ,

          • cyndi

            No matter how boastful you want to rant on about yourself, your last sentence proves my point exactly. Thank you, now I can end this discussion with little effort.

          • Vi Friesen

            Forth is spelled fourth. There is a judgment day coming……believe it or not !! Read the Bible !!

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            FIRST, THE BIBLE, YOU RETARD IS A BOOK OF MYTHS,

            SECOND, IN YOUR BOOK OF CHILDISH MYTHS, JESUS SAID THAT YOUR “JUDGEMENT DAY” WOULD COME IN HIS LIFETIME. WHICH MAKES IT LONG OVER DUE.

            THIRD, TRULY RATIONAL, LOGICAL & INTELLIGENT PEOPLE, LIKE FAMED AUTHOR LEON URIS, KNOW THE FUNCTION OF A LANGUAGE., THE “PRIMARY PURPOSE” OF ANY LANGUAGE, , IS SIMPLY TO COMMUNICATE A DESIRED MESSAGE FROM ONE, TO ONE, OR MORE OTHERS.

            IF THIS HAS BEEN SUCCESSFULLY ACCOMPLISHED, THEN SUCH THINGS AS INCORRECT PUNCTUATION, GRAMMAR, SPELLING, ETC. ARE THINGS WHICH ONLY THE ILLOGICAL AND IRRATIONAL ANAL RETENTIVE NIT PICKERS OF THE WORLD WORRY ABOUT.

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT
          • AJ

            I’m done talking to you. You are mean and spiteful. When you have to use the word retard to make a point (see comment you posted last night) you lose. I refuse to get into a battle with someone who doesn’t have enough class to actually debate. You are only here to stir up drama. If you actually want to have an intelligent conversation, try again later. Otherwise, best wishes.

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            LIKE I CARE IF SOME UNINFORMED, PROGRAMMED RELIGIOUS ROBOT CHRISTIAN, WHO ASSUMES THINGS HE DOES NOT KNOW, IS DONE ‘talking to me” NOPE. I CARE LESS. (AND FYI CHILD, I HAVE MANY INTELLIGENT COVERATIONS WITH THE TRULY INTELLIGENT.)

          • Emkay

            always nice to ‘coverate…

          • oscar1939

            I think that Neil is just a cranky old goat. Ignore him.

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            AND YOU OSCAR 1939, ARE BOTH MY INTELLECTUAL AND MORAL INFERIOR. SO GO PLAYWITH ALL OF YOUR LITTLE RETARDED FRIENDS.

          • Emkay

            can’t remember who said it, but I’ve used it for years

            “I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed person”….

          • 108anahita

            Ahhhhh, not all of the founders were religious men, and certainly not christian as we know them today.

          • LLCisyouandme

            There are 33,000 different denominations of christianity, all of whom think the other 32.999 are going to hell, but they’re happy to be lumped all together and try to seize the moral high ground, when all they have is 33,000 flags on low hills and an ability to shout

          • lindsncal

            “A real human understands that there are different points of views and allows others to have a say without resorting to nasty, hateful, brainwashed rhetoric about the evilness of religion.”

            Tell that to the likes of fox news then explain why the most religious areas of the world, including the U S, the most religious in the developed world, are also the most violent.
            It’s those non religious, evil ‘socialistic’ nations that seem to be the most christian like by feeding, clothing and housing their poor and sick as our ‘crhistian’ politicians and media here attack the poor and take more and more from them…..and give more and more to the rich.
            The hypocrisy is blatant and nobody seems to notice.

          • Mike Boone

            Great points. I’m a non-believer, but if the Jesus as he is presented in the New Testament, returned today, in the form of a political candidate, and promoted the exact same ideas about, and attitudes toward, the rich and the poor, that the Jesus of the bible did, Fox News and the GOP, would immediately define the returned Jesus as being a Communist.

          • Bushgirlsgonewild

            The US was founded by some religious men – but very many Christians among them. Nice how you carefully acknowledged that by avoiding using the word “Christian” men. BTW, I thought Christianity isn’t a religion. And his statements weren’t “hateful”. You Christians seem to get very sensitive whenever someone criticizes your views, often referring the criticism to “hate” or “intolerance”. Nothing could be farther from the truth.

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            FIRST, THE ODDS CHILD, OF YOU BEING ABLE TO USE A DICTIONARY BETTER THAN I CAN ARE ZERO.

            SECOND, I SAID NOTHNG WHICH IS NOT THE TRUTH. SO IF YOU ARE S RETARDED YOU CONSIDER THE TRUTH TO BE “HATEFUL RHETORIC” YOU HAVE A MENTAL PROBLEM. WELL AS BEING TO STUPID TO EVEN KNOW WHAT A BIGOT IS.

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            NOT ONLY WILL MANY, MANY, MANY MILLIONS OF FORMER CHRISTIANS AS WELL AS MANY HUNDREDS OF FORMER CHRISTIAN MINISTERS BACK ME UP ON THIS, SO WILL MANY, MANY MILLIONS OF OTHER FORMERLY RELIGIOUS PEOPLE!

            IF YOU DO NOT REALIZE NEARLY EVERY SINGLE RELIGIOUS PERSON HAS BEEN PROGRAMMED AS BABIES, CHILDREN AND TEENAGERS TO BELIEVE IN THE SAME RELIGION & THE SAME GOD OR GODS THOSE WHO RAISED THEM DID, YOU ARE DENYING BOTH COMMON SENSE, AND FACTS!

            ARE YOU REALLY SO RETARDED YOU THINK THAT NON-PROGRAMMED PEOPLE WOULD FLY AIRLINERS IN TO BUILDING? OR STRAP BOMBS TO THEIR BODIES SO THEY CAN KILL THEMSELVES AND MANY INNOCENT MEN, WOMAN, CHILDREN & BABIES?
            OR BLOW UP BARS, HEALTH CLINICS AND THE OLYMPICS LIKE THE CHRISTIAN ERIC ROBERT RUDOLPH DID?

            AND IF YOU DO NOT REALIZE THE ONLY REASON YOU ARE NOT A JEW, OR A MUSLIM OR A HINDU WHO BELIEVES IN MANY GODS IS SIMPLY BECAUSE YOU WERE NOT RAISED BY HINDUS, YOU ARE EITHER REALLY, REALLY ILLOGICAL, OR YOU ARE LYING TO YOURSELF!

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            FIRST, SO YOU PROGRAMMED RELIGIOUS ROBOT, WHERE IS YOUR EXAMPLE?
            SECOND, THE ODD OF YOU BEING TO USE A DICTIONARY BETTER THAN I CAN ARE ZERO!
            THIRD AS I ONLY POST TRUTH, IT WAS NOT “HATEFUL RHETORIC.”

          • Hey You

            But Christians are forgiven.

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            YEA RIGHT! I GUESS THAT IS WHY SO MANY OF THEM DO WRONG.

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            TEN TIMES A YEAR, FFRF (-THE FREEDOM FROM RELIGION FOUNDATION-) PUTS OUT AN AWESOME NEWSPAPER, AND IN EACH ADDITION OF IT, THEY HAVE TWO PAGES OF “BLACK COLLAR” CRIMES!

            YEP, AROUND 30 ENTRIES PER PAGE OF SOMEONE WHO HAS SOME OFFICAL CONNECTION TO A RELIGION AND/OR CHURCH BEING CHARGED AND/OR BEING CONVICTED OF A CRIME!

            AND FYI, IF YOU CALL OR E-MAIL FFRF AND ASK THEM TO DO SO, THEY WILL SEND YOU A COPY OF IT.
            [email protected] 608-256-8900

          • Emkay

            yeah man! the Christians got a deal ‘off the chain.
            Sin = repent = forgiven, Sin some more = repent = forgiven again…. and they believe it just keeps on going.. sssssweet!

          • LadyLoneStar

            Martin Luther King Jr!

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            SO WRONG!
            KNG WAS NOT KILLED BY AN ATHEIST FOR HIS BEING A CHRISTIAN! HE MAY HAVE BEEN KILLED DUE TO HIS RACE AND/OR DUE TO HIS ACTIONS, HIS RELIGION WAS NOT A FACTOR!

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            AND FYI, IN LATE 1950’S AND EARLY 1960’STHIS ATHEIST AGNOSTIC ACTIVIST, PUT HIS PHYSICAL WELL BEING AND HIS LIFE ON THE LINE FOR BLACK CIVIL RIGHTS. AS WELL AS PEMOTING A BLACK LADY OVER WHITES AT NCR IN ABOUT 1965 OR 1966.

            THE FACTS ARE I DID MORE FOR BLACK AND WOMAN’S CIVIL RIGHTS THAN DID MOST.

          • LadyLoneStar

            Ray wasn’t a Christian….King was….a Baptist minister, even!

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            WOW! NO KIDDING??

            DID YOU STRAIN YOUR MEMORY TO COME UP WITH THAT INFORMATION WHICH HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE SUBJECT?

            AGAIN, KING WAS NOT KILLED DUETO HSI RELIGION!

          • LadyLoneStar

            Really….you are the one bringing up off topic comments.

            You’re just a sarcastic, bitter old fart…not wasting anymore time on you. Hope you don’t STRAIN yourself on that!

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            AND YOU ARE A PROGRAMMED RELIGIOUS ROBOT WHO HAS NO CLUE YOU EVER WERE PROGRAMMED IN THE FIRST PLACE MUCH LESS YOU STILL ARE, AND LIKE IT OR NOT YOU ARE NOT EVEN CLOSE TO BEING MY MORAL OR INTELLECTUAL EQUAL.

            SO GO PRAY TO YOUR GOD WHO IS EITHER VERY EVIL, OR TOTALLY INCOMPETENT OR, EVEN MUCH MORE LIKELY, NON-EXISTENT!

          • LadyLoneStar

            Hahhahaha, you are a fool! I am not wasting anymore of my time on you or your grumpy rant.

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            FOOLS ARE THOSE WHO BELIEVE IN THEIR CHILDISH RELIGIOUS MYTHS AND THEIR PLAY GODS WHICH ARE NO MORE REAL THAN WERE THE GODS OF THE EGYPTIANS, OR GREEKS, OR THE ROMANS INCA, AZTEC, NORSEMEN, JEWS, MUSLIMS OR HINDUS.

            ANY ACTUAL THINKING PERSON KNOW FULL WELL THAT NOT ALL OF THESE GODS WERE OR ARE REAL!! AND THAT THEY HAVE NO MORE EVIDENCE THE GOD OF THE CHRISTIANS IS REAL THAN DID ANY OF THE OTHERS!

            WHICH, FYI, IS ZERO-!!!

          • LadyLoneStar

            BUG

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            I am not wasting anymore of my time on you or your grumpy rant.

          • Emkay

            it’s not polite TO YELL ALL THE TIME!!

          • 108anahita

            Was it a public school? Then why were they celebrating a religious holiday? Unless it is part of a social civic lesson, where all religious holidays are taught equally as part of a civic lesson, then they shouldn’t be engaged in such. Let me break it down for you. When people in stores, and other public places, who DO NOT KNOW ME, say “Merry Christmas”, it is like assault. It is making an assumption about a very personal aspect of my self that has been in no way envited nor encouraged. In what possible universe would they assume that I am A: christian, and B: interested in celebrating that holiday. How would you feel, as a christian (I am assuming), if EVERYWHERE you went during the season, people said “Happy Solstice”? Wouldn’t you feel just a little oppressed? Greeting your fellow christians that you know, is one thing. Go ahead and celebrate in your home and churches. Just don’t force the rest of us into it.

          • lindsncal

            “trying to forbid people from saying “Merry Christmas.” A fox news no story story to promote the phony ‘war on christmas’ agenda.

            A school that doesn’t allow angel cut outs….The right searches far and wide for those isolated stories then tells you that’s what atheists have done. It’s how they create ‘news’ and listeners when there is no real news.

            Atheists aren’t offended or even interested in religious ceremony, most of which are pagan and practiced hundreds of years before your christ only in another prophet’s name.

            The only thing they ask is to not have it forced on them or their children especially in schools…unless,of course, you show all religions’ ceremonies as a matter of history.
            You want ‘rights’ for everybody? I don’t believe you. Would you speak out against a devil worshiper ceremony in your schools?

            I watch fox once in a while, for as long as I can stomach it, and all I ever see is lies and the promotion of fear and hate and war. They blame the poor and fight healing and clothing them and attack the pope and revere the ‘money changers’ …about as unchristian as one can be…in fact, the exact opposite of christianity…as they claim to be the christians. Their audience seems to be blind and deaf to their own religion as they leave fox hating and blaming atheists.
            That’s what atheists object to.
            Pray at home in your room like christ told you to do and especially be wary of false prophets….and keep your angels at home and not in my child’s face and learn why it’s offensive to some.

          • LadyLoneStar

            If “they” aren’t “offended or even interested in religious ceremony”, why do they flip a gasket over In God We Trust on money, religious statues that have been in the places they are for decades, the 10 commandments, crosses on grave sites, calling evergreen trees in December Christmas trees and “Merry Christmas” (none of which are isolated “events”, BTW).
            @laurie_marshall:disqus is so right, stop with the labeling, stop with the “grouping”, stop with the judgments!

            At the end of the day, and the end of this life we will ALL know the answers. Believe or don’t believe what you will, but let me believe what I will…there is no harm, no offense with letting each of us be who each of us is! We are ALL human beings…if the “wrapper” is the only way we can “identify” each other, then it’s a terribly sad world and what’s worse is the fact that we’ve made it that way. Show some respect and compassion for each other. (we are ALL in “this” together). Life is a gift and it’s really short, smile…spread some joy around!

          • lindsncal

            “why do they flip a gasket over In God We Trust on money, religious statues that have been in the places they are for decades, the 10 commandments…”

            Why is this so hard to understand?
            It’s because YOUR god and his messages are forced on the rest of us who don’t subscribe to your religion.
            If there was some other religion in your face every day instead, I imagine you’d be the first to complain about it.

          • LadyLoneStar

            NONE of “His messages” are “forced” on anyone…why is THIS so hard for YOU to understand? All those instances I mentioned are NOT in your face everyday. Unless you’re visiting a grave daily, so sorry for your loss.

            Christians aren’t rioting, looting, killing people, screaming and demanding things be changed because someone somewhere is offended. Symbols can’t MAKE you change, MAKE you understand, MAKE you want to be a Christian. Being a Christian is NOT forced because it’s a choice…it’s not anger…it’s love and respect for our fellow man. Why are you so combative? You’re possibly in a struggle you cannot win on your own.

            If you “think” other “religions” aren’t in our faces EVERY day, you are blind or illiterate or naive or a LOT of all of them. Because “religions” can be whatever you drive for…whatever you “hope” to achieve or obtain in life….whatever you spend your time, talents and money on.

            We shall see….you better make sure before your final breath!

            And BTW….my God IS His name….CAPITALIZE HIS NAME! Respect!

          • lindsncal

            I’m not even going to read past: “NONE of “His messages” are “forced” on anyone…why is THIS so hard for YOU to understand?”
            Is it not even on my money??? Bush: “god told me to run for president.’ and on and on.
            You seem to be blind and deaf and one of the reasons this country is failing.
            I see your last line ..demanding I capitalize his name….says it all.
            Good luck.
            Don’t bother me and stay away from small children who are easily influenced.

          • LadyLoneStar

            Then continue to live in your ignorance!

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            AS MULTI MILLIONS OF FORMER CHRISTIANS AS WELL AS THE OVER 600 FORMER CHRISTIAN MINISTER MEMBERS OF THE CLERGY PROJECT ALL KNOW, IT IS ANY WHO BELIEVE IN THE CHILDISH RELIGIOUS MYTHS AND NON EXISTENT GODS ARE THOSE WHO ARE THE TRULY IGNORANT!

          • Joey Gordon

            Bible said that there would be a great falling away. Thanks for proving it right and making my belief in God a lot stronger

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            WERE YOU NOT A PROGRAMMED RELIGIOUS ROBOT WHO DENIES FACTS, YOU WOULD KNOW THE BIBLE SAYS ALL KINDS OF THINGS WHICH ARE NOT TRUE.

          • Steffy

            Except he hasn’t proven it right. He simply thinks for himself.

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            YOU FUNNY! YOU ARE ONE, OF IF NOT THE SINGLE MOST IGNORANT ONE COMMENTING IN THIS THREAD!

          • Steffy

            True, she is. And does not think for herself.

          • cyndi

            Why do you care if Bush claimed that God told him to run for President? Hillary may have told Bill Clinton, and a talking squirrel may tell our next president for all we know. What does it matter? That’s their personal testimony of why they made a certain decision. (Although I might be a LITTLE concerned about a president that talks to squirrels -public image and all -haha)

          • lindsncal

            Tell me why you think that in every other developed country, if a politician invoked god or even religion in his public statements…he’d be thrown off the stage.

            And you will say that religion isn’t in our faces when our president says he’s influenced by it..
            It just doesn’t get any more stupid.
            Had enough of you.

          • cyndi

            The point is exactly what your referencing! Praise God We ARENT every other developed country! We were founded on Christian faith and principles and a God fearing respect for those things in our government and society. If you don’t like it,
            I’m sure one of those other developed countries you fore mentioned would be happy to accommodate you & more your cup of tea. And quite frankly, despite ANY religious or non religious professed belief you have, the less hostile, negative, anti-American speaking people here the better!

          • lindsncal

            Compared to those other non religious countries you try to berate…we have record violence, record poor, record homeless, record sickness, record killings, the most wealthy, the most poor, the worse education, ..in fact before reagan we were number one in quality life in the whole world.. By the time bush left office we were about number 30.
            Everything your christ told you to care about…the poor, the sick, the homeless, be wary of the rich…..we have the most of so you don’t have a clue about the world or even what your religion stands for or tells you.
            Please….talk to someone else and do not talk to little children who you obviously don’t care about and don’t understand your kind of sickness and lies.

          • lindsncal

            “We were founded on Christian faith.”

            President John Adams…founding father: “As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion.”

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            NO, THE US WAS NOT FOUNDED ON THE CHRISTIAN FAITH. IN FACT WHE THE US WAS FOUNDED, LESS THAN 18% ATTENDED AN CHURCH AAND MOST PEOPLE WERE DEISTS. READ THE TREATY WITH TRIPOLI AND LEARN THE FACTS.

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            FYI THE NETHERLANDS, DENMARK, SWEDEN, NORWAY, GERMANY, ENGLAND AND ICELAND ARE GREAT PLACES TO LIVE & ALL HAVE LESS CRIME THAN THE RELIGIOUS USA HAS.

          • Steffy

            Actually, no, we weren’t founded on any religion or religious principles at all. The founding fathers wanted us to be the opposite of the half-fucked anti-Semitic retarded countries of Europe with their state-run, corrupt fake “churches”. They didn’t want this country to be the same as Europe. They founded this country on FREEDOM and liberty of conscience, not on hatred of science or a cowering religious paranoia that assumes that everything that is not revolving around it and deferring slavishly to it is magically its enemy.

          • LadyLoneStar

            You mean like the democrats at the convention booed God in 2012?

          • lindsncal

            Oh B S.. The only thing that’s booed is bringing god into government.
            It it was done in any other civilized country by a politician, they’d throw him off the stage.

          • LadyLoneStar

            Selective memory….or is it Alzheimer’s….oh wait, I know, you’re a democrat who hates….(that’s an oxymoron…or in your case, just a moron)? LoL

          • lindsncal

            Ugh….more hate and ignorance from the religious right.
            Jesus: ‘Give what you have to the poor. Heal the sick, feed and clothe the poor. Beware of the money changers.’

            Republicans: Take what you can from the poor and give it to the rich.
            You….hate filled name calling ignorance.

          • LadyLoneStar

            Where are you “making this stuff up”? Really, you are truly sad.

            No, no…don’t “try” to answer that….I realize it’s extremely painful for you.

          • lindsncal

            I suppose you believe that god told bush to drop bombs killing half a million innocent people and to take more and more from the poor and give more and more to the rich as well, eh?
            Everything he did was the opposite of christianity’s teachings.

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            THE BRILLANT ATHEIST CHRIS HITCHENS WAS, AS I AM, RATIONAL, LOGICAL & SUFFICENTLY KNOWLEDGEABLE OF THE FACTS TO KNOW THE IRAQ WAR WAS FULLY JUSTIFED.
            ANY WHO DISAGREE THE IRAQ WAR WAS JUSTIFIED, ARE EITHER TOO LAZY TO GET THE FACTS, OR, THEY ARE JUST NOT BRIGHT ENOUGH TO BE ABLE TO FULLY COMPREHEND THE FACTS IF THEY DID GET THEM.

          • Gary Sampson

            you are backwards in your thinking, fool!

          • lindsncal

            The world knows that who calls the other a name in a debate…is automatically the loser. Try to dispute what I said instead.
            oh…you can’t.

          • Steffy

            Because it is telling a lie and Christians aren’t supposed to tell lies. God doesn’t give a flying damn about politics. It is a HUMAN invention. Get it?

          • LadyLoneStar

            Being a Christian doesn’t, by any stretch of the imagination, make you perfect….I for one certainly don’t think I’m perfect. We are ALL human beings with the same exact freewill to lie, cheat and steal.

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            PLEASE CHECK OUT MY REPLY ABOVE YOURS, THANKS

          • LadyLoneStar

            Of course not….it’s obvious in your comment that you don’t “read past” much….you can’t have the truth get in your way of your desire to hate.

            And your hate for Bush is ridiculous. Listen up….B U S H isn’t POTUS….read that, at the very least.

          • lindsncal

            The only think I hate is the ignorance spewed by you guys.

          • LadyLoneStar

            “you guys”???? Voices in your head again, poor dear.

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            ONLY YOU PROGRAMMEED RELIGIOUS ROBOT CHRISTIANS WOULD DENY CHRISTIANS HAVE BEEN FORCING THEIR VIEWS FOR AS LONG AS THEY HAVE BEEN ABLE TO DO SO. THUS, YOU DENY FACTS.

            DENYING FACTS IS A STUPID ACT. ANYONE WHO DOES STUPID THINGS ON A CONTINUING BABIS, IS EFFECTIVELY, A STUPID PERSON.

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            AND FYI, ATHEISTS HAVE NO MORE REASON TO RESPECT THE CHRISTIAN GOD AND CHRISTIANS THAN BLACKS HAVE TO RESPECT THE KKK, (MORE CHRISTIANS) OR THE JEWS DO TO RESPECT THE NAZI’S, (JUST MORE CHRISTIANS)

          • cyndi

            She wasn’t even asking you to respect God by using a capital “G”
            she was asking you to have respect for another person’s sacred belief -in doing so you don’t claim the belief, but respect the human being. Which obviously you’ve been proving you have a hard time doing.

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            ATHEISTS HAVE NO MORE REASON TO RESPECT ANY RELIGIOUS BELIEFS. THAN BLACKS HAVE TO RESPECT THE BELIEFS OF THE KKK-! ATHEISTS HAVE NO MORE REASON TO RESPECT ANY RELIGIOUS BELIEFS. THAN JEWS HAVE TO RESPECT HITLER AND//OR THE BELIEFS OF THE NAZIES OR ALL THE IDIOTB MUSLIMS WHO WANT TO KILL ALLNJEWS.

            ATHEISTS HAVE NO VALID REASON WHAT SO EVER TO RESPECT ANY RELIGIOUS BELIEFS.. AND FOR WE IN THE USA, WE HAVE NO REASON TO RESPECT ANY CHRISTIAN RELIGIOUS BELIEFS.

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            AS MOST RELIGIOUS PEOPLE DO NOT TREAT ATHEISTS AS FELLOW HUMANS, THERE IS NO REASON FOR ME OR FOR ANY ATHEIST TO TREAT OTHERS BETTER THAN THEY TREAT US.

            IN FACT, ALL CHRISTIANS SHOULD BE THANKFUL THAT ATHEISTS DO NOT TREAT THEM AS TERRIBLY AS THEY HAVE TREATED US.

          • cyndi

            So much for trying to represent that an atheist can be just as kind and compassionate as a person of faith.

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            FIRST OF ALL, THE TELLING OF THE TRUTH IS KIND AND COMPASSIONATE.

            SECOND, NOTHING I SAID, IN NO WAY, EVEN COMES CLOSE TO PROVING, THAT IN GENERAL, ATHEISTS ARE JUST AND KIND AND COMMPASIONATE AS THE RELOGIOUS.

            FYI, US PRISON RECORDS SHOW ATHEIST COMMITT MUCH LESS CRIME THAN THE CHRISTIANS DO.

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            THE ONLY FOUR PEOPLE IN HISTORY WHO WERE EACH AWARDED TWO NOBLE PRIZES WERE ATHEISTS

            AS ATHEISTS PERFORM AS WELL IF NOT, IN MANY CASES, BETTER THAN ANY OF THR RELIGIOUS DO, AND ATHEISTS DO SO WITHOUT THE HELP OF ANY GOD, IT WE ATHEISTS MUST BE BOTH PHYSICALLY STRONGER AND MORE INTELLIGENT THAN ARE THE RELIGIOUS!

            READING WHO SOME OF WE ATHEISTS ARE, WILL PROVE ATHEISTS ARE THE LEADERS, OR AMONG THE LEADERS IN EVERY POSITIVE FIELD! AND OUR SUCCESS PROVES NO RELIGION OR ANY GODS ARE NEEDED TO HELP US!

            Famous Dead Nontheists

            http://www.jmarkgilbert.com/atheists.html

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            Celebrity Atheist List

            http://www.celebatheists.com/

          • LadyLoneStar

            That’s not a great accomplishment considering BO was awarded the Noble Prize….just for showing up!

          • cyndi

            I hope they made sure to have someone put proof of those noble prizes in their caskets so they have something they can TRY to impress God with.
            Oh yea, sorry, they can’t take that with them.

          • LadyLoneStar

            FYI….I’m calling BS! Where’d you “pull that” outta?

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            CARE LESS WHAT SOME PROGRAMMED RELIGIOUS ROBOT CALLS FACTS. THEY ARE STILL FACTS NO ATTER IF YOU BELIEVE THEM OF NOT.

          • LadyLoneStar

            SHOOOO

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            THE TRUTH HURTS SOME

          • LadyLoneStar

            You must know

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            I KNOW THE TRUTH HURTS OTHERS

            FORMER CHRISTIANS WHO ARE NOW ATHEISTS, HAVE SAID THEIR FINDING OUT THERE WAS NO GOD, HURT THEM!

            THEY SAY THEY WERE HURT WHEN THEY THOUGHT ABOUT ALL OF THE TIME, ENERGY, AND MONEY THEY HAD BEEN CONNED OUT OF BY ‘GOD’ BELIEVERS. ,

          • Kurt Brandt

            christians seem to be less tolerant than athiests,,,,also do they have any proof? or just a book with some stories written by many?what about the books that were left out of the bible?history seems to record everything that happend except the actual existance of a god of any kind

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            HI KURT,

            THANKS FOR YOUR INPUT.

            AS I’M SURE YOU KNOW, MOST AMERICAN ATHEISTS WERE ONCE RELIGIOUS, MOST WERE CHRISTIANS. WE ARRIVED AT OUR POSITIONS ABOUT RELIGION THOUGH LOGICAL AND RATIONAL THOUGHT.

            ON THE OTHER HAND, THE CHRISTIANS WERE FROM THE TIME THEY WERE BABIES, PROGRAMED TO BELIEVE. THUS, THEY ARE LESS TOLERANT.

            IF KURT, YOU ARE A FACEBOOK PERSON, PLEASE VISIT MY FACE BOOK PAGE AND IF YOU LIKE IN, FRIEND ME,

            THAANK YOU

          • cyndi

            Hmmm… Wonder if that has anything maybe to due with the fact that Christian’s visit, write, converse, hold bible study, and pray with people in prison who society has long given up hope on & most of whose own families no longer speak to them. Not to mention the prisoners who are forever changed by this after knowing the love of God & then share their faith with other inmates.
            Naw……..
            that can’t be it.

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            BOTH CURRENT EVENTS AND HISTORY, PROVE THAT:

            “WHILE ATHEISTS TALK, THE RELIGIOUS KILL!”

            ATHEISTS HAVE NO DIRECTION GUIDE TELLING US TO KILL OTHERS WHILE THE CHRISTIAN GUIDE BOOK THEY CALL THE “BIBLE” INSTRUCTS ITS FOLLOWERS TO KILL AND KILL AND KILL SOME MORE, 28 TIMES!

          • cyndi

            I can call you an angry zealot who has to state his opinions only while insulting and calling others names and that’s… – Truth
            or tell you that you’re violating the condition you agreed upon when signing in to comment on this site, to “not be a jerk” but say it in a real sweet voice…
            I guess that’s the “kind & compassionate” thing to do.

            Oh wait!! I FORGOT THE ALL CAPS TO MAKE SURE YOU UNDERSTAND JUST HOW KIND AND COMPASSIONATE IM TRYING TO BE.

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            FIRST, CHILD, YOU SHOULD LEARN THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN “MERE OPINIONS” AND FACTS!

            SECOND, NOT YOU, OR ANYONE ELSE, CAN PROVE ONE THING I HAVE SAID ABOUT RELIGION, CHRISTIANS OR MYSELF IS NOT TRUE.

            THIRD, WHEN OTHERS ARE NOT ACTING LIKE JERKS, THEY WILL NOT BE TREATED WRONGLY,

            FORTH, THE TRULY INTELLIGENT. LOGICAL RATIONAL PEOPLE WHO ARE KIND CARING & CCOMPASSIONATE CARE LESS IF I USE ALL CAPS OR NOT AS THEY REALIZE I HAVE A VALID REASPN FOR USING THEM

            SO CYNDI, YOUR COMMENTS PROVE YOU ARE NOT TRULLY INTELLIGENT, OR LOGICAL OR RATIONAL OR KIND OR CARING OR COMMASSIONATE.

          • LadyLoneStar

            They will never understand…they are so full of it….er….hate and bitterness, they refuse and turn a blind eye to the truth. (It was a valiant effect on your part, congratulations!)

          • Steffy

            Wow, you are judgmental and a little arrogant, assuming you alone have truth. If you want respect, you have to give it and not smugly assume you are automatically right about every issue.

          • LadyLoneStar

            Yeah well….we all know what “assuming” is….you don’t deserve respect and I’m not being smug about that.

          • Steffy

            Yes, you sure don’t deserve any respect for your mindless and unspiritual assumptions, smugness, and religious bigotry. You also don’t deserve respect for treating another person without respect merelly because their religious beliefs are different from yours. But that is how worthless American Christians have acted for the last 30 years – prejudiced and bigoted and automatically hating real truths like the truth that we are equals regardless of gender, race, or religious affiliation (think of Charleston and the unjust idea that someone doesn’t deserve equal pay for equal work, shootings at synagogues, and Christians not accepting the truths of science due to paranoia and greed).

          • LadyLoneStar

            Well Neil, you are drinking from the same trough that alan is (little, lost man, little “a” by his own lack of self esteem. Only difference is you can’t type correctly and he is a lost little man) …y’all must know each other!

          • alanrlow

            You still don’t get it do you? There is no respect for your little ‘g’ god because the stupid idea DESERVES no respect. How much respect to YOU show Thor, Ra, Osiris or Horus or the thousands of other gods? All were just as worshipped and just as made up as your god. Do you understand that the only reason you believe in your god,(no choice involved), is because of where you were born and the shit your parents indoctrinated you with before you could think and reason for yourself? Better get over yourself, religion is dead, it’s just that a lot of the mindless adherents haven’t received the memo yet..

          • cyndi

            What makes someone think they know why another person chooses a belief? Or better yet even, when & how she came to know God? You don’t know anything about her, and you know what they say “assuming” makes a person…
            She has a valid point about symbols and history. Truth of the matter is, there are religious icons and symbols in public places all over our country, and yes, often paid for by government funds, and from ALL kinds of faiths and even cults. It doesn’t affect a person’s free will to believe in something or not. It DOES however represent historical foundations. & a particular areas past. The people fleeing an oppressive religious government came here driven to be able to have the freedom to express the way they wanted to honor God. Guess what… If you don’t like America’s core foundation & historical birth, there are PLENTY OF OTHER COUNTRIES THAT WOULD BE HAPPY TO OPPRESS AND DICTATE YOUR LIFE -NO RELIGION INVOLVED..

          • alanrlow

            QUOTE: “If you don’t like America’s core foundation & historical birth, there are PLENTY OF OTHER COUNTRIES THAT WOULD BE HAPPY TO OPPRESS AND DICTATE YOUR LIFE -NO RELIGION INVOLVED..”

            That’s one thing I hate about you one-eyed yanks. Not everything revolves around or happens in your shitty religious country. Believe it or not there are many secular countries, and I am fortunate to live in one, that are having an enormous laugh at the ridiculous spectacular you are on the world stage. Many gave up that childishness years ago.

          • LadyLoneStar

            “yanks”? What’s a “yank”? Like yank a chain? You’re not only a lost little man, alan (little “a” by your own admission), you are kind of amusing!

            Guess we shall see who has the last laugh. (BO is “over” in a year)

          • alanrlow

            Yank as in ‘wank’.
            The laugh is on you and your religetard compatriots.
            I’m guessing you don’t like BO you foolish troll, lol.
            Oh well, you get what you deserve I spose.

          • LadyLoneStar

            As will you…wank

          • Eric_Johnson

            Actually, President Obama is in Office until January 20, 2017… that’s approximately 17 months from now. Was that from your Sarah Palin version of the constititution?

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            THIS AGNOSTIC ATHEIST WHO HAS BEEN AN ATHEIST ACTIVIST FOR OVER 50 YEARS, WOULD TAKE PALIN OVER THE PATHETIC, PROLIFIC LYING INCOMPETENT RACIST WE HAVE NOW!

          • Tim

            we have free will. We are not punished by an ultimate being for using what we have.

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            YOU ARE NOT PUNISHED BY ANY ULTIMATE BEING AS THERE ARE NO UNTIMATE BEINGS.
            .

          • Steffy

            The problem is that it is not America’s core foundation – freedom, including religious freedom, is. We are not Europe, Iran, or Saudi Arabia. You also have this weird notion that coming to God automatically means being Christian. It does not. There are plenty of non-Christian believers who believe God is one rather than a trinity.

          • Dave Davenport

            “The people fleeing an oppressive religious government came here driven to be able to have the freedom to express the way they wanted to honor God”

            REALLY? Methinks you haven’t researched your history properly. Sounds like a story from a Christian primary school teacher, who also was unaware of the facts.

          • LadyLoneStar

            My God isn’t a little g. You are the one who doesn’t seem to “get it”. You are such a lost little man…SMH. What you aren’t in touch with is the FACT that “what” I have has nothing to do with “religion”. Religion is man made. Mine is a close, personal relationship with the One and Only True GOD, through His One and Only True SON, JESUS CHRIST. This kind of relationship isn’t and can’t be “indoctrinated” or understood by anyone who has never received HIM.

            I’m praying for you, alan, (guess your little “a” reflects how much respect you are lacking even for yourself) it is you who needs the memo. I do pray that you get the time to receive the truth before your final breath. Peace be with you on your journey of this life and the discovery of truth before the next.

          • alanrlow

            “My God isn’t a little g”
            You are right, your god is a man made delusion.

            “Religion is man made.”
            Well you got that right.

            “Mine is a close, personal relationship with the One and Only True GOD, through His One and Only True SON, JESUS CHRIST.”
            No, it’s just a delusion. Just like the delusions suffered by millions in mental institutions everywhere.

            “This kind of relationship isn’t and can’t be “indoctrinated”
            You think? Do you imagine if you had been born in Pakistan you wouldn’t be a Hindu? Do you reckon that had you been born a few thousand years ago you wouldn’t worship Horus or another god?

            “I’m praying for you, alan”.
            Don’t do that, do some useful, something that works, educate yourself.

            ” this life and the discovery of truth before the next.”

            Nope, this one is all you get, better make it a good one, and not waste it on silly childish fairy stories.

          • LadyLoneStar

            BUG

          • alanrlow

            “BUG”
            One of your more intelligent replies..

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            ALAN, IF YOU ARE A FACEBOOK PERSON, PLEASE VIST MY PAGE AND IF YOU LIKEWHAT YOU SEE, FRIEND ME;
            THANK YOU

          • Steffy

            Yours is also a religion, Lady Lone Star. There is no such thing as a relationship with someone you consider greater than yourself – at least, once you’re an adult. Relationships are between equals and also involve being able to disagree with the other person on issues.

          • LadyLoneStar

            Sad little Steffy….you simply will never understand.

          • Steffy

            There’s nothing to understand. Christianity is a religion like any other. No one has a real relationship with anyone who they consider superior to themselves. For adults, relationships are ALWAYS between equals and you can ALWAYS disagree with the other person.

          • cyndi

            I wouldn’t want to witness when His Almighty voice says above the sound of your knees knocking together and tear drops hitting floor “So, …tell me again how I am a ‘stupid idea’?”
            Not that you may care right now but I pray for you to find the REAL truth so you may have joy and know God’s love for you.

          • alanrlow

            Cyndi, I don’t quite know how to make you understand,but I want nothing to do with your obscene evil god. Even if it were to be true, which I have absolutely no reason to believe is the case, I am not interested. There is nothing to love or indeed any love about this disgusting invention. I have plenty of joy and love in my life without making up rubbish like these myths.

          • alanrlow

            You paint a lovely story there with the “knees knocking together” and the “tear drops hitting floor”, what sort of a fairy story world do you live in? Are you 12?
            I can tell you it’s very different out here in the real world, without dragons and monsters and magic..

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            AS YOU DO NOT THINK YOUR RELIGIOUS BS IS FORCED ON WE NON-BELIEVERS, THEN I AM SURE YOU WOULD NOT MIND, WHEN IN THE NOT TOO FAR FUTURE WE ATHEISTS ARE IN THE MAJORITY,, THAT OUR MONEY HAS “THERE IS NO GOD TO TRUST” AND OUR PLEDGE HAS “UNDER NO GOD” IN IT.

          • Steffy

            Actually, they are, when they demand that people who are members of minority non-Christian religions be treated like second class citizens and not greeted with “Happy Holidays” or “Happy Hanukkah” (in the case of Jews) during the month of December. That is especially odd when you realize that the phrase Happy Holidays can itself be considered religious.

          • LadyLoneStar

            How on earth are you getting that someone wishing someone “Merry Christmas” is treating that person like a “second class citizen”?

          • Steffy

            If that person doesn’t celebrate Christmas or is Jewish, it is definitely treating them like a second-class citizen. There is nothing difficult about saying Happy Holidays or Happy Hanukkah and they are both religious greetings anyway.

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            SO TRUE, SO TRUE! AND “GOD WE TRUST” WAS NOT ON OUR PAPER MONEY OR WAS “UNDER GOD” IN OUR PLEDGE WHEN I GRADUATED FROM HS IN 1954!

          • Martin28

            “Our God and His messages are forced on you, when you don’t subscribe to our religion”? Well, do I have news for you! “Our God” is the Lord who created the Universe and everything in it. And the reason you don’t want to hear about it, is because you love lies. If you loved the truth, you would enjoy hearing about the God of Heaven and earth. You will never, but never, be able to escape the truth no matter how hard you try, because the Universe is literally FILLED with it. Why don’t you try to get used to it, instead of trying to control society to keep it quiet?

          • LLCisyouandme

            People have addressed the other points already, but I’d like to add that “christmas trees” are actually phallic symbols predating Christianity, so maybe we can come up with a more historically accurate euphemistic name for them. It’s ironic all the pagan and mystical elements that have evolved into Christian tropes and memes. The magical number 7 (in creation myths previous to Genesis God created the Earth in 8 days. This was fixed by having the Christian God pull a double shift.) The other magical number 3. Divine rebirth. And on and on. I would have liked it better if they had found a way to incorporate “turtles all the way down” though, the image makes me smile.

          • LadyLoneStar

            WTH is your point? (That’s stretching the thought that you have one) Never mind, I don’t care to know what your thoughts are.

          • LLCisyouandme

            All your stuff is made up. Much of what you consider divinely inspired is just culled from the other divinely inspired offal of the day. Virtually every Biblical myth is a mere rehash of other long-standing myths. I hope this is simple enough for you to understand, but I know your delusions will get in the way.

          • LadyLoneStar

            Listen SNOT….I DON’T CARE TO KNOW WHAT YOU “THINK” YOU KNOW! SO STHU

          • LLCisyouandme

            Every nasty post you make here just reaffirms what so many know about the hypocrisy of putative Christians.

          • LadyLoneStar

            Hahhahahha….YOU are the hypocrite….funny little sad people

          • Martin28

            Lady, the reason they “flip a gasket” is because they are living a lie, and are afraid of the truth. God is truth and He made this entire world, and the entire Universe. But some people secretly hate God and want to erase everything that reminds us of Him. That is the agenda of Satan, and he is ruling most industries, government and entertainment in the world right now. He knows that his time is short, and he knows that Jesus is coming back, so he wants to do as much damage as he can before God shuts him up him for good. I met Jesus in person, and have been directed by His Angels to do miracles in the lives of a large number of very desperate, needy people. So I know why many people don’t want to hear about God… it’s because they serve the Evil One. Put your trust in Jesus, because He is coming back to this earth to set up His Kingdom of Glory. I know, because I’ve met Him.

          • Emkay

            you should try some ‘de-caf…

          • DGR

            Actually there are some large corporations that don’t allow their employees to say ‘Merry Christmas,’ or at least they tell them not to. I worked for Wal-Mart many years ago and even then we were told specifically to say ‘Happy Holidays’ and not ‘Merry Christmas.’ Many of us didn’t abide by the rule, but it was a rule nonetheless.

          • lindsncal

            Oh, you mean like Bush did on all his Christmas cards he sent?

          • LadyLoneStar

            You wouldn’t know, you didn’t get one!

          • Steffy

            There is nothing wrong with the phrase Happy Holidays and it can be viewed as religious also as it comes from “holy day”. The reason to use it is because not everyone celebrating something in December is Christian and Jews and people who celebrate Yule or other holidays during that time deserve as much respect as Christians do.

          • DGR

            I am aware that holiday comes from holy day, but the word holy isn’t religious in and of itself. Holy simply means ‘set apart’ or ‘sacred’, and while it is certainly most commonly associated with religion, it is not absolutely exclusive. However, you are correct that one can and should be respectful of the religious or non-religious views of others, but at the same time I think that someone who says that the phrase ‘Merry Christmas’ is even remotely offensive to them is just pretending to be affronted and that it isn’t actually disrespectful in and of itself. Now if, say, a Jewish person is told by someone ‘Merry Christmas’ because they are unaware of their heritage/religion, and the Jewish person politely informs them that ‘Oh, I am actually Jewish and do not celebrate Christmas,’ but that person persists with the phrase ‘Merry Christmas’ then yes, that would be disrespectful and offensive.

          • Martin28

            Good for you! Don’t ever let them intimidate you. I worked for a very large corporation and talked about Jesus to all my co-workers, supervisors, managers and staff. But I waited for the appropriate time to witness to them about having spoken with Jesus in person, and having been guided by Angels to do miracles. Everyone loved my stories and it boosted their faith. I didn’t care if they were Buddhist, Muslim, Hindu, Sikh, agnostic, atheist or pagan, they still were amazed by my stories. And none of them could argue with me because I was telling them true stories that really happened to me, rather than “my beliefs” or “my opinion”. Ask Jesus to give you the power to spread the truth, and ask Him how you may serve Him. He is real, and is the true Son of God. I know, because I’ve met Him. God bless, and best of luck to you.

          • lindsncal

            George Bush did the same thing and there’s good reason for it.

            It’s done by corporations so they don’t offend their customers who follow another religion and rightly so, even though their agenda is simply about profit.

          • LadyLoneStar

            Who brought government into this? DGR stated c o r p o r a t i o n s….not government. Keep up!

          • lindsncal

            The implication is over your head.

          • LadyLoneStar

            Looks more like it’s over your head….you’re not strong in comprehension….you poor thing.

          • Martin28

            Well that was certainly a hypocritical post if I’ve ever seen one. You don’t want religion promoted in public, but you want YOUR ATHEIST NON-BELIEF to dominate the landscape entirely? I suspect the reason you don’t want religion promoted is because it makes you uncomfortable. You don’t want to be reminded that there is a God in Heaven who made everything you see, and that perhaps, it wouldn’t kill you to thank Him for your prosperity, your health, your very life? Your utter lack of gratitude is appalling. You know what they say, if you don’t appreciate what’s been given to you, it could be taken away from you.

          • lindsncal

            “…but you want YOUR ATHEIST NON-BELIEF to dominate the landscape entirely?”

            What a ridiculous statement. As our founding fathers, I don’t want ANY BELIEF to dominate the landscape.

            James Madison: “Besides the danger of a direct mixture of religion and civil government, there is an evil which ought to be guarded against in the indefinite accumulation of property from the capacity of holding it in perpetuity by corporations. The establishment of the chaplainship (church clergymen) in Congress is a palpable violation of equal rights as well as of Constitutional principles. The danger of silent accumulations and encroachments by ecclesiastical (church) bodies has not sufficiently engaged attention in the U.S.”~ James Madison, (1751-1836) (President 1809-1817)

          • Martin28

            You “don’t want ANY belief to dominate the landscape”? Wow. How about the belief in reality? How would you like it if NO beliefs dominated the landscape? No belief in goodness, no belief in truth, no belief in honesty…? Because all these good things originated from Almighty God, and if you’re having a hard time with that statement, just wait a little longer until “the ENTIRE EARTH will be FILLED with the knowledge of the Lord”. That is coming very soon, as predicted by God. What on earth will you do then?

          • lindsncal

            Ugh…..it just gets more and more ridiculous from you guys.
            Do I REALLY have to spell out what I meant?
            Never mind. good luck. It’s a wonderful thing that your ilk are disappearing fast in this country and the world.

          • Martin28

            I think I understand your concern is about extremist religious groups gaining the political upper hand and legislating their beliefs for all to follow. However, all those counterfeit religions are about to meet their end very soon as the Lord prepares for His return to earth. Most religions have been heavily compromised and warped by an evil spirit called Satan, who wants anything BUT freedom and prosperity for all. That is why the major religions have been responsible for much bloodshed in the history of the world. However the TRUE God of Heaven is presently preparing for coming events which will see a great battle between the forces of good and evil in the world. I know this not only because it has been predicted long ago by the most infallible source, but also because I personally heard the rallying call by an Archangel back in the year 2000, about a year before the 9/11 attack which was perpetrated by Satan. You may or may not believe me, but I can assure you I know what I’m talking about. I didn’t read this in a book, I experienced it for myself. I have been spoken to by Jesus and several Angels who issued directives which resulted in some fairly impressive miracles of some very lost and troubled people finding a new path to wholeness. And btw, I have NEVER been religious. I rejected the fake religion of my childhood, but have since discovered the whole truth of the Kingdom of God. So watch and wait for the antichrist who will rule the earth before the God of truth returns to set all things right. And what a great day that will be!

          • lindsncal

            Some of what you say is truth….but most is pure fantasy.

            Please, wait for the return of your christ alone and quietly.

          • Martin28

            “Some of what you say is truth….but most is pure fantasy”.
            Please… try and convince the scores of people the Angels of Jesus has sent me to help, that this is ‘pure fantasy': people on several medications who have been in psychiatric care for years over suicide attempts, and I get them off the meds and their lives turned around in a few short weeks; lost, suicidal youngsters, same thing – brand new hopes for the future, finding employment, achieving university degrees…. try to convince those people who prayed for help, and received a miracle through Jesus. You’d have a hard sell.
            And why would I wait for the return of Christ “alone and quietly”? On the contrary, one of my callings is to announce it to the world. I recently worked at a very large corporation in a big city, where I told ALL of my co-workers, ALL of the managers, upper-level managers about Jesus. I spent an hour and a half telling the CEO about how I met Jesus and received Angelic directives. And they were ALL amazed! Better get prepared for Christ’s return, ’cause it is going to be a HUMUNGOUS celebration such as the world has never seen! The Savior of the world is coming, Hallelujah!

          • Teto85

            When someone wishes me a “Merry Christmas” I reply “And a Joyous Festivus to you too.” Never fails to get a rise.

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            DAT A GREAT ONE! GGOD ON YOU!

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            TETO85 CHECK OUT TWO OF MY LATEST COMMENTS ABOVE. AND IF YOU (-OR ANYONE ELSE-) IS A FACEBOOK PERSON. PLEASE CHECK MY PAGE OUT.
            THANKS!

          • JVilla

            They’re are plenty of people that believe the word of god supersedes the Constitution’

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            AT LEAST SEVEN STATES STILL HAVE LAWS STATING ATHEISTS CAN NOT HOLD PUBLIC OFFICE.

          • Kevin Murphy

            Actually, it is corporations having their employees say Happy Holidays because they want to include EVERYONE in the Holiday Celebration. This is not some evil plot to forbid anyone from saying Merry Christmas esp. when looking outside and seeing so many crosses & mangers spewed around the neighborhood and in almost every business you see.

            ON THE FLIP SIDE: It is against the law for Atheists to hold public office in some parts of the country and a recent poll found that Muslims are more popular than Atheists when it comes to holding public office.

            And please spare me the crap about Christianity being oppressed equally as Atheists are. Atheists do not bomb abortion clinics, terrorize young women at Planned Parenthood clinics, or tell people they are going to hell if they do not believe the same as they do. Two groups do that, Bible Belt Christians and citizens of Iran.

          • Phoenix_Down

            These people on the “flip side”, who are they? What power do they have?

            Atheists are the least represented demographic in the US and they are overwhelmingly imposed upon to accept religious idolatry. Atheists may object to being imposed upon but they have very little power to do anything except file a lawsuit here and there, but that rarely happens. You can highlight some isolated instances of push-back but in reality, atheists are exposed to an onslaught of religious proselytizing 24/7. We see in it during prayers at sporting events, when we watch Muslims being bashed the news media, and even in the print of our money. For tolerance to be accepted, it has to be implemented both ways and in no way is that being done in America.

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            IF YOU HAD A CLUE, YOU WOULD THINK ABOUT HOW YOU WOULD LIKE IT IF THE ONLY SCHOOL YOUR SISTER COULD GO TO WAS WHERE IT WAS NEARLY ALL MOSLEMS AND THEY SPENT TIME PRAISING ALLAH. OR A HINDU ONE WHERE THEY TALKED ABOUT THEIR MANY GODS.

          • AJ

            Well, if you had a clue, you’d probably use regular typing AND know how to spell Muslim… but whatever.

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            SO VERY TRUE JACK, SO VERY TRUE!

          • Elizabeth Lipp

            Really? Where?

          • Jack Oliver

            In Arizona I believe.

          • Elizabeth Lipp

            I looked it up, Jack. The state legislator said she was being “flippant”. She did not try to get that type of legislation passed into law. Hope this helps.

          • Jack Oliver

            Even being flippant about something like that shows her true feelings on the subject. I’m sure party leadership stepped in and told her she couldn’t do that because it was unconstitutional. Trust nothing a politician says while apologizing.

          • Justask70

            As a non-atheist and non-Christian – it feels like atheist are much more intolerant of anything religious that doesn’t align with their worldview than Christians. Perhaps its because the only exposure I (most people?) have to atheist comes in the form of what they are against and intolerant of.

          • Jack Oliver

            The most visible and outspoken atheists are the ones people are exposed to, which might distort perception away from reality. Most atheists are unassuming, quiet people who just let religious folks go about their business.

            But when religious people try to legislate their religion — which happens all the time— atheists tend to get very vocal about stopping that. It’s not because people are religious that they react, but that they are trying to force their religion on others, at which point religious people deserve to get lambasted.

          • Bushgirlsgonewild

            When was the last time an atheist tried to delete information from a public school’s science text book because it didn’t agree with religious mumbo jumbo?

          • Emkay

            There are over 4000 religions on earth…pick one, or not, move on…..

          • NEIL C. REINHARDT

            SO TRUE JACK,

            IF YOU CONTACT FFRF (-THE FREEDOM FROM RELIGION FOUNDATION-) THEY WILL SEND YOU A COPY OF THEIR GREAT (-TEN TIMES A YEAR-) NEWSPAPER. WHICH IN THE0Y REPORT ON THE MANY EXAMPLES OF CHRISTIAN SELFISHNESS & INCONSIDERATION WHEN THEY FORCE THEIR RELIGION ON OTHERS WHERE AND WHEN THEY SHOULD NOT

            IT ALSO HAS 2 PAGES OF BLACK COLLAR CRIMES.WITH ABOUT 30 ENTRIES A PAGE, OF WHERE SOMEONE WITH OFFICAL TIES TO THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION HAVE DONE SOMETHING ILLEGAL.

          • LadyLoneStar

            Where?

            Jack, I agree with AJ, your comments are amusing (at best). Pull another one outta your…..hat!

          • DGR

            I’ve seen your comments on both articles regarding atheism and faith. As AJ said, you are hypocritical. You took time on that article to belittle people of faith and curse at them for their ‘stupidity.’ That’s intolerance . You weren’t merely ‘criticizing their actions’ as you state, you were disparaging them for their beliefs. I agree that Christians can be very intolerant at times, as can people of every belief or lack thereof, but don’t act as though you are above that.

            And what celebrity these days is risking their career by coming out as atheist? Hollywood loves atheists.

          • disqus_7fb9ZsMuvL

            And it’s so called Christians like him that give other Christians a bad name.

          • LadyLoneStar

            Lies….you “conveniently can’t remember the senator’s name”. You are such a LIAR!

        • NEIL C. REINHARDT

          SO AJ, WHY IS JACK OLIVER’S COMMENTS HYOCRITICAL?

        • Bushgirlsgonewild

          Please explain the hypocrisy.

        • Emkay

          nah, your ‘They hypocrisy’ is amusing….

        • NEIL C. REINHARDT

          ONLY AN ILLOGICAL IRRATIONAL AND NOT OVERLY BRIGHT, PROGRAMMED RELIGIOUS ROBOT WOULD FIND ANYTHING EVEN SLIGHTLY HYPOCRITICAL IN JACK’S COMMENT.

      • NEIL C. REINHARDT

        VERY TRUE!

      • Lee Delong

        you have confused, courageous and greedy. No risk and plenty of Christians could care less.

      • Kris

        I hope you’re kidding, because Christians in Hollywood are VERY often ridiculed. Hollywood even tries to incorporate the term ‘GD’ in every non PG movie they make. Don’t be a hypocrite. Most Christians try to convert, yes – but Atheists PURPOSELY try to shame for the most part.

      • Steffy

        True, the last person listed was just wrong, as the Jews did not kill Christ – the Romans did. At any rate, who was responsible did not matter after approximately 100 C.E. as all the people involved in the crucifixion – Jewish and otherwise – had passed on and there is no such thing as inherited or collective guilt for the actions of others or ancestors. I hadn’t heard of a few of these people and knew already that some of them were atheists. However, the person(s) who came up with this list do appear to be mistaken about one other thing. They seem to think that there are no non-Christian theists and be caving in to the false dichotomy logical fallacy. You are not either a Christian or an atheist; you can be a non-Christian believer in God who believes God is one (rather than a trinity) or a pantheist or a polytheist.

      • disqus_7fb9ZsMuvL

        I’m christian. And you’re free to believe what you want. I just believe one day the ones who don’t believe will answer for it and would hate to see them go to Hell. Some Christians are more passionate about it than others. I don’t believe in forcing my religion on others because God didn’t make me choose Him. I made a choice to follow Him.

    • Adrian Snare

      Totally agree !
      People matter , religion does not .

      • NEIL C. REINHARDT

        SO TRUE!

      • David Nathan Viger Jr

        Both matter! If you believe in a loving God, the father of us all, then you have to love our brothers and sisters.

    • Brian Fitzpatrick

      ”An atheist is a person with no invisible means of support” Ambrose Bierce

      • NEIL C. REINHARDT

        LOVE IT! THANKS

    • Nandiane

      Actually, the difference is that atheists are all about self…look at me, I’m a good person…I do this and I do that. The Christian says: It is not me but Christ Who lives in me.

      • Jack Oliver

        So, atheists believe in personal responsibility/accountability and Christians believe in a mysterious puppet master.

        Yeah…

      • mks281

        I just lost a full time job because I WOULD NOT sit there and list the many things I’ve done without renumeration to a panel that already knew what my contributions were. “Oh, but you had to TELL US!”

      • NEIL C. REINHARDT

        TOO BAD YOU CAN NOT DO GOOD WITHOUT YOU CHRIST.
        I DO MUCH GOOD, (PROBABLY MORE THAN YOU DO) WITHOUT ANY MYTHICAL HELP.

      • Steffy

        If that were true, the Christians of this country would respect the beliefs of others different from themselves instead of trying to pass legislation to attack them and trample on their human rights. The way Christians act when they are in politics shows they are as self-centered as everyone else.

    • Tex

      What I don’t get is why MOST atheists, aside from being funny, cute, adorable or whatever you think…spend inordinate amounts of their precious time trying to convert those of us who believe in a supreme being…GOD. Why waste ones own precious time especially given their admission, “this is all there is folks!” I don’t get it. The other think I don’t get is why bother having children if you’re an atheist. How cruel is that! I mean, really. So, you have a child…you love it with all of your heart only to KNOW without a shadow of a doubt you’ll NEVER EVER see that child EVER again and once they die…what is the point of you loving them and them loving you? There isn’t any! Love by virtue of it’s very name is an act that lives forever! But, being an athiest who doesn’t believe in forever kind of has a personal dilemma here (and don’t tell me they don’t…I know several atheists and they have brought this up several times in conversation). Why on earth waste the ONLY time you have left and why on earth bring a life into a effed up world only to say goodbye after you’ve left the poor thing suffer through a life with no happy ending after it had died. THAT is what I don’t get…but I’m sure you’ll have an answer because athiests ALWAYS have an answer and it’s usually the same bullcrap answer…so I will leave you prideful athiests with this thought. If you don’t believe there is nothing after this…leave the rest of us alone who do actually believe there is something worth living for. Because from where I’m sitting…your life may be “worth” something now…but at the end of your life…what will you have to show for it and who will care anyway because you’ll be gone…forever…by your own admission. I DO accept others btw…I don’t have to accept their practices or their beliefs just as much as you don’t have to accept mine. But don’t you dare tell me I can’t make a cake without 2 men or 2 women on it. Don’t you dare tell me I can’t say God in public or in my school and don’t you dare tell me I have no right to pray in my school, on my street or wherever I choose!

      • mks281

        I saw a great poster the other day of a bird sitting on a branch and it read: The bird does not sit content on the branch because it believes the branch will hold it–it sits comfortable because it knows it has wings to fly away should the branch give way. In other words, atheists believe they have wings (and developed the ability to use them) and do not need to believe the branch will hold them no matter what. Get it?!

        • NEIL C. REINHARDT

          RIGHT ON MKS281!

      • mks281

        We really don’t give a sht if you get real and start using your brain what we don’t want is legislation based on your stupid belief system. Vaginal probes anyone?

        • Steffy

          Yes, and vaginal probes and treating approximately half the human race badly go against the command to love thy neighbor.

      • NEIL C. REINHARDT

        SOME OF THE REASONS ATHEIST ACTIVISTS LIKE ME SPEND TIME, MONEY AND EFFORT (WHICH FYI, IS PAYING OFF BIG TIME) BECAUSE YOU GOD BELIVERS SLOW PROGRESS, ARE SELFISH AND INCONSIDERATE OF OTHERS, ARE THE MAJOR CAUSE OF TERRORISTS / TERRORISM, COST US MONEY AND INTERFER IN OUR LIVES.

      • Justine Valinotti

        In my experience, any time people who identify as Christians (of one stripe or another) have to interact with someone who doesn’t share their beliefs, they whine about being “persecuted” or losing their “religious freedom”.
        An atheist is forced to put up with far more displays and other expressions of religiosity in one day than any Christian (or, for that matter, a believer in any other religion) will hear about atheism in his or her entire life.

      • Dave Davenport

        Relax Tex, there probably isn’t a heaven a hell or a god of any sort. Make sure you enjoy your life as much as you can with your family and friends while you are alive.

        Teach your family to be good, open, free thinking young people who challenge ALL proponents of points of view that don’t make sense to them to provide proof of their utterances. Ancient documents, stories and sayings are unlikely to meet with modern day levels of scrutiny with any well educated free thinking people.
        (BUT you never know, some scientific evidence for the supernatural may yet come to light that has all of us ‘Brights’ running for cover)

        As for your terror about the lack of a hereafter, rationalise it with the thought that it didn’t terrorise you before you were born so its very very unlikely to terrorise you after you die!

    • NEIL C. REINHARDT

      HI LAURIE, I LOVE YOU POST!

      • Erin Flayhan

        HI NEIL CAN YOU READ WHAT I’M WRITING? IF YOU CAN, TELL ME WHY CHRISTIANS ARE SO BAD! I KNOW FOR ONE THAT ATHEISTS ARE NOT BAD PEOPLE, BUT YOU SIR ARE ACTING PRETTY SPITEFUL!

        • NEIL C. REINHARDT

          TELLING THE TRUTH IS SPITEFUL? I THNK NOT.
          AND UNTIL SUCH TIME, IF EVER, SOMEONE CAN PROVE ANYTHING I SAID ABOUT CHRISTIANS IS NOT TRUE, IT IS THE TRUTH.
          FYI I POSTED A WHOLE BUNCH OF REASONS CHRISTIANS ACTIONS TOWARD ATHEISTS ARE TERRIBLE,,
          LAST, IN THE UNITED STATES, WE ATHEISTS TALK WHILE YOU CHRISTIANS BEAT AND KILL!

    • Cindy Reynolds

      VERY well said, Laurie!!! I salute you for being the voice of reason here!

    • Banana beer

      Well said.

    • asylph

      Articles (for lack of a better word) like this are ridiculous; as if to say “oh..they are atheists (shock value) but we like them anyway”. Like there is something wrong with us. Sadly there is a growing intolerance in the USA for all things non-christian and publications like this just feed it.

    • Jennifer Nemwna

      It all the reasons to tell the world about Jesus but in a kind non fearful way. All People matter and deserved to be treated as Christ would have. Love your neighbor regardless of one belief. 😇

    • disqus_7fb9ZsMuvL

      Every knee will bow and every tongue shall confess that he is Lord.

    • Mhd Vhd

      Atheists i know

      Woodey Allen
      Bruce Lee
      Brad Pitt
      Friedrich Nietzsche
      Richard Dawkins
      Madonna
      Joseph Stalin
      Benito Mussolini
      Niels Bohr
      James Chadwick
      Sigmund Freud
      Stephen Hawking
      Ernst Mach
      Erwin Schrodinger
      Joseph Weber
      Che Guevara
      Rowan Atkinson
      Thomas Eisner
      Karl Marx
      Leon Tolstoy
      Picasso
      Lawrence Krauss
      John Lennon
      Carl Sagen
      Albert Einstein
      Adolf Hitler
      Gaspard Monge
      Christian Bohr
      Mikhail Gorbachev
      Ian Mckellen
      Jeremy Clarkson

    • NovelDog

      Your comment indicates that you are not saved and know precious little about the bible. Christ is the Door and no man cometh before the father except through hi.. “Neither is there salvation in any other, for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved” (Acts 4:12). I have been shown many visions and have talked with God. But I can not turn him on and off like a radio or TV. He speaks when he wants to speak. I am his creation….I did not create him. Therefore he is the master and I am his servant. As for you….if you read the KJV, and then pray to Christ, and you are sincere in your prayers, he eventually will speak back to you, and will give you spiritual understanding. But Christ came to save the lost, the sinful, which we all are. Good people will not be saved because they are good….for none are good…they only think they are. We all need forgiveness and understanding. The end time is approaching fast. All of us need to pray and get prepared for there will be wars and pestilence and much suffering. Satan is working through the Liberal News Media, the Democratic Party, the Muslims and all who are atheist or non believers. There will be many anti-Christ. If you are not saved you will be mislead by one of them. I can do no more than this. All of you who read this have been warned….your fate is not in my hands…but your own.

      • Vi Friesen

        I am a believer in God and so very thankful. Read the Bible……it will
        tell you what is coming in the latter days.

    • Linguistic Obsessor

      Um… no. Acknowledging that some of your readers would be shocked just shows honesty or – at the very least – that you’re living in reality.

      You’re just bothered by the fact that most people know better to rightfully associate atheism with passive-aggressive bigotry rather than with all the nonsense you mentioned above.

      A label may just be a label, but human beings use them for a reason: so that “the truth of someone’s heart and soul” could at least be introduced.

    • emilylast

      Well said and thank you. I am an atheist-the only one in my family as far as I know. My family knows and could care less that I am a non-believer.

    • SCOTTY LMBOBOY

      That was some sad words you just mumbled. What else is sad is your shallow mind thinking this little ,short (pathetic in comparision to the next one,) LIFE is all there is to it!
      Man are you going to wish you had been a little more open minded to the possibility that you were created one day, and one day soon!
      wHY DO I SAY THIS? I say it for the same reason as any other TRUE follower of the Son of YHWH, Yeshua does! Because we know 100% sure there is a Creator, a loving God, that came to earth and experienced a mortal death just so we could have the opportunity to still spend all of eternity with Him!
      HOW DO WE KNOW THIS?
      Because we have met Him personally! Something ye of NO faith will never do, unless you open that shut mind of yours. When i say this i mean we talk to Him daily just as you do a friend. Why else would you really think so many people have such strong faith? We have to be aable to know 100% He exist, or we sure would not go thru the Hell here on earth that we do!
      I have said all of this to you as an invitation to eternal life, and it could very well be your last warning before you die and rot in the ground and experience eternal DEATH!
      Now watch as all the Lucifer followers attack me with their hate. They do this because they hate me, just as they hate Him, and that my shallow friend is sad!
      I will pray that you and others here will just give Him a chance, before this measly 70 yrs or so are up!
      The only reason He even created us in the first place was to serve Him, walk with Him and be a friend to Him. But then came SIN!

    • nobodyinparticular

      No, the answer is simpler than that. It’s click bait. It promises to SHOCK you with the examples because if it doesn’t, you aren’t going to click on it. I was actually kind of hoping to be shocked. Like maybe Nicholas Cage. If it had said Nicholas Cage was an atheist, I think I would have actually been shocked now that I think about it. I don’t know if he is, I assume he almost certainly isn’t, and that’s why it would be shocking if he was, you know, considering “Knowing” and “Left Behind”. It would certainly lower my opinion of him, as astounding a feat as that would be, since it would mean he has NO PRINCIPLES whatsoever. Whereas now I just think he has no STANDARDS.

    • Martin28

      Although you are entirely correct about the fact that the traits of kindness, humor, logic and pragmatism can be possessed by atheists and not just by Christians, the fact remains that Jesus is coming back to restore order on Earth. I have never been religious, and yet I have heard from Jesus and His Angels over the past several years. They sent me to help some very lost souls and I witnessed miraculous improvements in their lives. From what I have experienced in the realm of spirit, I am certain that God will enact His plan as was delineated several thousand years ago. No matter what one believes, no matter what one doesn’t believe, God’s promises will come true just as they always have. We can certainly “accept each other as human beings”, but what about the evil ones who are hell-bent on destroying the earth and all who inhabit it? Think 9/11. We’ll surely need God then, as our own limited resources will not be enough to counter the coming apocalypse. We will surely need an all-powerful, supernatural God to destroy the enemy of God and Mankind. Again, I am not at all religious, yet I have heard from Jesus, His Angels and an Archangel. So I know that this is real.

    • Cassandra Morrison

      Why do you assume a Christian cannot love “science, and logic, and thinking about the universe in a way that extends beyond the last few thousand years?”
      The “Creationism” that you confuse with Christianity is only accepted by the “Fundamentalist” movement—not by Christians as a whole.

    • Paula Wilson Mullen

      Almost perfectly stated, but not all religious believe is centered around the Hebrew bible and it’s few thousand years. People are people and believes are just that believes, non of which can be proven one way or the other. And the title caught your attention because of the words used, and the comment preceding the photos. Words and how they are presented sell, without a title to catch the attention, no matter what the person reading them believes, the article would received no attention

    • Aliya Abeles

      I would just like to say here…. that it is a SCIENTIFIC FACT that there is aboslutely no evidence that god exists. Why do we talk about it today? because people refuse to see that. For thousands and thousands of years we have found PROOF of dinosaurs, animals, and things that we never knew existed! But not ONCE have we found ANY evidence on the existence of god. And why is it today that 95% of SCIENTISTS today are athiests? If god is real, then shouldn’t the experts on the universe know about it rather than people who don’t even know a HALF of half of HALF of our world? And i’m not telling you that you should be an atheist… i’m just telling you my point of view on this certain topic. I myself, HATE it when people try to force their beliefs and religions on to me… but recognize the difference between sharing your opinion and forcing it onto someone else.

    • Martin G.

      I will bet you that if you ask your so-called “atheist” friends, they will tell you that they DO believe in some sort of God, only they don’t identify with any particular religion. I highly doubt that any of them are truly atheist, because every atheist I’ve met has some cold, dark secret fear or hatred lurking in them.

    • Steven

      Miss we all were given free will, we can make good and evil choices. It does not make a difference. Yes an atheist can be good in action. The God of the bible has a verse that tells us our pride prevents us from coming to God. We hate to admit we need a savior that maybe one day our good deeds are not enough to get us into heaven. But if heaven is Gods home why should we make the rules? Do i enter your home and tell you how things are going to be? No it would be wrong for me to do. God can save and forgive. God does not want us to boast about ourselves. God Shows us we need to be saved because we always desire to do evil more often than good. We love darkness more than light. If i am wrong, why is their war? Strip clubs? Adultury? Abortion? If we are good enough how come many of our skeletons in our closets stem from selfish desires? Even when someone hurts us we use pain to justify our selfish reactions. God made us to live like jesus was living. Jesus is an example of a good son of God . God wants to tranform us save us from our sins and be made his children. When we recieve the holy spirit of God through jesus and renew our minds he can change us step by step into being holy. Not prideful, filled with selflessness. Anyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved. You can pray anywhere. Anyone with any sin is welcome. We all sinned, sin means to miss the mark. We all have done it. He is not the unforgiving God you were led to believe. I dont know where you got it from but i read the bible. God wants a change of mind repentance.
      I use a website called gotquestions.org they are a bible based site for anwering all kinds of questions and if you cant find an answer you may submit a question. There are answers that God exist and why religions are in conflit you just need to open yourself up to it. Lee strobel was atheist now christian. Look at his books. He was a logical journalist. God bless you have a great year.

    • Johnny Rocha

      actally,you have it backwards.it does matter what label you use. your awesome friends wouldnt be like that without christs blessiings.im sure they arent so awesome when youre not around. jesus said the farther you are from me, the harder you will work and the only way to heaven ,is through me..yall goin to hell ?

  • Stuart

    I do not understand why this would be surprising in any way, it is not at all common for people in the entertainment industry, actors, singers, directors, etc, to b atheist, it is really the norm and has been for centuries. Even in the gospel singing industry. This is not news, it has been the accepted and understood norm for as long as acting and singing have been professions.

    • LLCisyouandme

      The notion of atheism doesn’t go back centuries. They called them heretics, still do a lot.And creative people always want to think for themselves.

      • NEIL C. REINHARDT

        CALL IT WHAT YOU MAY. THE NAME DOES NOT CHANGE WHAT IT IS.

        I AM DAMN PROUD TO HAVE BEEN AN ATHEIST FOR 71 OF MY 80 YEARS AND AN AGNOSTIC ATHEIST ACTIVIST FOR OVER 50 YEARS,

  • LoudGuitr

    I won’t believe these people are atheists? Why not? I can’t believe anyone believes in supernatural nonsense.

    • Agnes Grace Rabino

      If you truly seek the real God, you will find Him. But, if you don’t seek Him in the first place, how will you ever be. Lee Strobel, a former atheist & author of The Case for Christ tried to do a research with the intention of discrediting his wife’s God. But, look what happened, he was the one converted and now very involved in sharing God’s Word.

      • LoudGuitr

        Can you step back enough to actually see the arrogance in your comment? The condescension is stunning. I believe there is no God, that people who believe this are childish and simple, and have shut off the critical thinking they were born with. I have not asked you to agree with me but you are talking to me like an ignorant child. Grow up and have some respect for opinions other than yours.

        • LLCisyouandme

          There are many religionists that believe no one has a real opinion other than their own. Those are just the errant and sinners.

        • John Stephenson

          Wow! So you feel Agnes is arrogant and talked to you like an ignorant child, then you go off on calling her childish for her belief. Perhaps you should take your own advice about respecting other opinions? Maybe you’re not self aware.

          • LoudGuitr

            I respect Agnes as a person and her right to believe whatever she wants. I do not respect a childish belief system that worships supernatural ghosts and zombies. I don’t see a conflict between those two ideas. I’m not trying to get her to see it my way, but she’s doing just that to me.

          • John Stephenson

            What are you blathering about? You called her childish and belittled what she believes. Her faith most likely is a big part of who she is, so yes, you did disrespect her. So you’re offended that she expressed her faith? Maybe you should take your own advice and grow up (or don’t and keep hypocrisy alive).

          • LoudGuitr

            John, I’ll try once more. She is probably a lovely person. I respect her. She was speaking down to me as if there’s something I don’t understand. I think her ideas are foolish. I am not trying to get her to agree with me, but she’s being condescending. If she believes in tarot cards, astrology, homeopathy or that Elvis was abducted by aliens and now lives on Venus, I think those ideas are foolish. She still has my respect as a human being, but I believe she could do a little better in the area of critical thinking. That’s her business. By the way, you could be a little more civil and I’d have respect for you too. We can have different opinions. Is that blathering? Should I use smaller words?

          • John Stephenson

            Why do I care if you respect me? My world doesn’t stop and start because I may not have your respect. I don’t respect you. You’re an idiot. I can’t even believe you used critical thinking in a sentence. Do you even know what that means? I very much doubt you were born with it.

            If you want to believe I’m being condescending…you’d be correct. It’s my lack of respect for you as a person.

          • LoudGuitr

            Well, at least your mom likes the taste of my balls. So I have that going for me. Which is nice.

          • John Stephenson

            Thank you for telling me what people with little intelligence and no ability to make a cogent point resort to. You have a lot of experience there. I’ll say this again…you clearly are not self aware in any sense. You’re upset because I don’t respect you. Get over yourself. Stop being a pussy and become a man. I don’t love you, and I’m not your brother or whatever horseshit you come up with to avoid your hypocrisy.

            Side note: My Mother’s dead fuck face, so she wouldn’t know anything about that. Maybe you should ask your Mother about the taste.

          • RoverSerton

            I was on the fence, but, this comment puts me on LoudGuitr side complete. “I don’t respect you” was the tipping point btw.

          • John Stephenson

            No one respects you either, so who cares?

          • RoverSerton

            I feel the christian love. Warm, like fresh piss when your kid sleeps next to you and has an accident.

          • John Stephenson

            I’m happy for you that you feel the warmth, but considering I’m not a Christian, you’re won’t be getting it from me.

          • Justine Valinotti

            I broke up with a guy. He said he loved me and would pray for me. When I wouldn’t get back with me, he started false rumors, made phony complaints and did everything he could to trash my reputation. Long story short, he got me fired from a job and evicted from my apartment on false pretexts.
            Still, he claimed to love me and that “one day our souls would be united”.
            After all of that happened, a friend of a friend said I should start going to church and praying. Riiight….

          • Maryann Kussmaul

            Why should John respect him, LoudGuitr was very rude to him. Respect needs to be earned.

          • RoverSerton

            John doesn’t respect me either (our first interaction btw). Have a great spring! It’s finally sunny out.

          • tallulah13

            You apparently want respect, otherwise you wouldn’t have attacked LoudGuitr in such a childish manner. It’s just as well you claim you don’t want respect. With your attitude, you certainly won’t be getting any.

          • John Stephenson

            You’re a little late to the party, but that’s fine. Why would I need your or LoudGuitr’s respect? Here is the magic about this conversation: LoudGuitr did not respect the original poster. I called him/her on it. It’s that simple. What kind of logic is it to attack to get respect? If you need others to gain respect and lack self respect, that is your problem, not mine. Stick your head back into the sand and pretend you understand what we’re talking about. And for the boneheads who assume anything and generalize everything…I’m an atheist. I just don’t have any issues with Christians unless there is reason to have one.

          • RayCy

            You understand that your belief or lack of does not affect believers in the least? See my earlier comment about The Irrational Atheist

          • LoudGuitr

            I do realize that, Ray. The same could be said going the other way, right?

          • RayCy

            True. I wasn’t engaging you in a discussion, just pointing out something.

          • LoudGuitr

            Well you got a discussion. When you post a comment to me it’s not a monologue.

          • RayCy

            Oh, wait I said believers, not me personally.

            See, some believers think that if you, LoudGuitr, die unsaved G0D is going to punish them. These same people believe that G0D is going to destroy America because of abortion so they feel compelled to fight it up to and including the murder of Dr. Tiller. Fred Phelps believes that G0D is going to destroy America because it dosen’t punish gays.

            So they believe that their salvation is dependent on yours. this might explain why they’re so involved in these discussions. I’m with Vox Day, author of The Irrational Atheist whom I quoted elsewaher. I don’t care. As long as I have presented it, I’m in the clear.

          • LoudGuitr

            They must realize that as an atheist, I don’t believe there are gods or salvation. It is the Christians who are trying to destroy America, although they will fail. The world would